All Ex-Twins Team, 2006

by Jesse on Oct 26, 2006 8:17 PM EDT in News Comment 11 comments

Some we loved, others we didn't...but they're all ex-Twins!

The Everyday Lineup...
POS Name Avg 2B HR RBI Obp Slg With Twins 1B D. Mientkiewicz .283 24 4 43 .359 .411 98-04 2B T. Walker .278 22 9 53 .356 .398 96-00 RF C. Blake .282 20 19 68 .356 .479 00-02 DH D. Ortiz .287 29 54 137 .413 .636 97-02 CF J. Jones .285 31 27 81 .334 .499 99-05 3B C. Koskie .261 23 12 33 .343 .490 98-04 LF B. Kielty .270 20 8 36 .329 .441 01-03 C A. Pierzynski .295 24 16 64 .333 .436 98-03 SS C. Gomez .341 7 2 17 .387 .439 03
The Bench...
POS Name Avg 2B HR RBI Obp Slg With Twins C J. Valentin .269 6 8 27 .313 .441 97-02 C D. Miller .251 28 6 38 .322 .390 97 IF M. LeCroy .239 3 2 9 .350 .373 00-05 IF J. Castro .284 5 2 14 .320 .421 05-06 OF M. Lawton .259 0 0 1 .310 .259 95-01 OF D. Mohr .175 1 2 3 .233 .350 01-03
A little pitching...
POS Name IP W L ERA BB K With Twins SP K. Rogers 204.0 17 8 3.84 62 99 03 SP E. Milton 152.2 8 8 5.19 42 90 98-03 SP M. Redman 167.0 11 10 5.71 63 76 99-01 SP H. Carrasco 100.1 7 3 3.41 27 72 98-01 SP A. Fultz 71.1 3 1 4.54 28 62 04 MR J. Romero 48.1 1 2 6.70 28 31 99-05 MR E. Guardado 37.0 1 3 3.89 13 39 93-03 MR L. Hawkins 60.1 3 2 4.48 15 27 95-03 SU J. Beimel 70.0 2 1 2.96 21 30 04 CL T. Jones 64.0 2 6 3.94 11 28 01
There are a couple of creative expression moves here, namely Jacque Jones playing center field, but it's not as though he's never done it before. Also, since it's an "ex-Twins" team, Castro's numbers are only his stats in his time with the Reds. The batting order is a little lefty-heavy, and the starting rotation is a little thin with Carrasco (3 starts in '06) and Fultz (1 start) at the end. Overall, however, you could definitely do worse with a team of ex-players. You have a lot of doubles hitters and some pop in the middle of the order, and your bullpen has an abundance of experience (if it isn't quite reliable).

This post, by the way, signals the return of just not the internet, but my computer (what a mess). The offseason isn't even underway and the World Series is still going on, so be sure to stop back regularly for a dose of Twins luvin'.

Thanks to everyone who's been doing the heavy lifting in my absence. Cmathewson breaks down the new CBA, Roger gets us up to date on Fall League info, wcooley starts a great debate about the stadium and TT raises questions about the 40-man roster. Thanks, everyone, it's GREAT to be back!!

0 recs | Comment 11 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Hmm

I daresay that team wouldn't do particularily well.

The pitching kind fo sucks...

but fun to look at this stuff...

"Baseball is great because you can't take a knee or kill the clock. You have to put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn chance." C Stengel

by AdamOnFirst on Oct 27, 2006 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What about Lohse?

I know he was a bit of a locker room cancer...but I'd take him over a couple of those pitchers, anyway...and you have Romero, Walker, and Pierzynski in there, so it's not like personality was they key element here.

Lohse's numbers with the Reds after the trade:

63 IP, 3 - 5 Record, 4.57 ERA, 19BB, 51K

Not great...but better than some of the pitchers above...not too mention, he is still a starter, whereas Carrasco and Fultz are a bit of a stretch...

by frstknt on Oct 27, 2006 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good points

The exception of Lohse was a personal choice. I didn't like what I knew of him.

by Jesse on Oct 27, 2006 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ya...

This was very interesting indeed Jesse.

It's a bit gratifying, too, to see that really other than Ortiz (obviously), and I suppose Rogers, we really haven't lost too much great talent. TR seem to have made the right decisions MOST of the time, and this just confirms that.

by djskilbr on Oct 27, 2006 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Especially pitching

It is an amazing testement to our organization that with as good as our piching has been over the last half decade, we have such a paltry selection of guys tht now play elsewhere. That definitely shows how we've committed to spending money on the starters.

But even the bullpen guys we managed to ditch just as they started to lose it...

"Baseball is great because you can't take a knee or kill the clock. You have to put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn chance." C Stengel

by AdamOnFirst on Oct 27, 2006 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well said

But even the bullpen guys we managed to ditch just as they started to lose it...

I think that's the key. With a vast majority of these players, the Twins cut bait at the best possible time. Seemingly, these players left the organization at the point where their salaries were rising and their talent had already reached its apex. There are a couple of players where this isn't true, and there are a couple more who are still decent starting players, but for a vast majority of them the Twins improved by letting them go. Dougie baseball, Eric Milton, Everyday Eddie, Hawk...they're all no better than their successors at best.

David Ortiz is obviously the one big missed opportunity. Jones, Blake, Koskie, Kielty...these guys still have value, but I'm content knowing our future is brighter without them. I miss them, but we're a better team now.

by Jesse on Oct 27, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The scags...

Of course, the abundance of former Twins catchers:
Danny Ardoin .180 5-0-3 .254OB .238SL
Chad Moeller .184 3-2-5 .231OB .276SLG
Corky Miller zeros across the board for two teams
Henry Blanco .266 15-6-31 .304OB .419SLG
Quinten McCracken .208 1-1-2 .263OB .321SLG
Mike Restovich .167 1-0-1 .231OB .250SLG

And pitchers:
Kevin Jarvis 28IP 0-2 7.71 11/13
Terry Mulholland 3IP 0-0 7.71 1/1
Joe Mays 50.2IP 0-5 8.70 26.25

Doesn't get any worse than those!

by twintown on Oct 27, 2006 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lots of scags...

It was hard putting together 25 guys for a complete roster, even taking a couple of creative liberties. Middle infielders, starting pitching and backup outfielders were tough to come by.

by Jesse on Oct 27, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jones in CF

I have no problem with your "creative liberty" of Jones playing CF - I was hoping for his sake that he'd try to market himself as a CF during free agency. He played there a decent amount before Hunter got his full-time call-up, and he always appeared, to me at least, to do a good job. I thought a key part of the Twins' great outfield defense during the '02-'04 run was that they had a guy with CF range playing RF.

twintown's list of horrible catchers made me laugh. I would've put Chad Moeller on the team, just because I saw his first homerun in person, and it was a 3-run in-the-parker to beat the Yankees.

by BeefMaster on Oct 30, 2006 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jones

The complaint on Jones is always his arm, especially continuous accuracy. He does have good right-left movement and could cover the ground as well as most.

Plus, the JONES complaint was always that he deserved more monies...snce his oevrall and yearly stats usually ran tandem with the more popular Hunter.

Streakiness almost killed him in ChiTown...but he did end up doing good numbers to keep the Cubbie faithful on his side.

Always found it amusing that the Twins would supply the major leagues with an abundance of catchers each year...

by twintown on Oct 30, 2006 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jones

Jones's arm accuracy is a question, but it probably comes into play almost as much in right as in center, and at least we'd know he has the arm strength to make a throw from the base of the wall.

And he definitely covers enough ground to play center.

"Baseball is great because you can't take a knee or kill the clock. You have to put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn chance." C Stengel

by AdamOnFirst on Oct 31, 2006 2:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs