Jason Jennings for Garza or Bonser?
Hello,
Just reading the Rocky Mountain News and read the following:
Minnesota has been the most consistent suitor for Jennings and has the potential to put together an interesting package of right-handed reliever Jesse Crain, who grew up in Boulder, and a young starter from a group that includes the likes of Matt Garza and Boof Bonser.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/mlb/article/0,2777,DRMN_23924_5185641,00.html
I hope they aren't considering trading either Matt Garza and Boof Bonser. Perhaps Baker, but not these fellows. What does everyone else think?
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Might try to bring in Tomo Okha, who was not offered arbitration by Milwaukee.
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This isn't true. Ryan isn't stupid. He's not trading either of these guys, especially Bonser.
Garza
by caseintheface on Dec 3, 2006 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
No Deal
I am not sure I would even do Crain for Jennings even up.
I still wonder about Hunter. I don't see how we can give him a long term contract at amount the market will provide considering his age. So he will be traded this summer anyway.
Why not use Hunter to trade for some pitching now???
Hunter
Honestly, the thing to do, if we'd wanted to would be not excercise Hunter's option, saving 10 mil, not take back Silva, saving abut 4 mil, and when spend 6 of those million o David roberts (that's what he got on the contract he just signed) and use the remaining 8 million to sign a higher level pitcher.
Not that I'm saying we should, but Hunter is here for the whole year unless we bomb. We'll need him to win the way things are now.
Right...
BUT....
you absolutely do not give up Garza. The kid was just named the minor league pitcher of the year!!! You have him under control for 6 years cheaply. You absolutely keep him.
And I'm not sweating this either because we all know that if there's one thing Terry Ryan is not, it's dumb.
by djskilbr on Dec 3, 2006 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Rumored Trade
I thought both of those deals were un doable - bcause they were lopsided one way or the other. Needs to be more balanced. So perhaps their is a Hybrid deal - somehting like Rincon and Perkins or baker an Perkins??? or perhaps somebody else like adding Ford or Romero to the mix??? (ya I know neither of these players has much overall value, but there are few other names on the 40 man roster I could see trading)
With those mix of players, it just seems like there isn't a quite balanced value - either we get ripped off or the Rockies do. I am 99% sure Ryan won't get ripped off.
by bobio on Dec 3, 2006 3:32 PM EST reply actions
Hybrid Deal
This would be a deal that could easily benefit both sides. What do you guys think?
If they won't do
I'm not sure there's a deal that's makable here, though I would consider Perkins and Rincon/Crain. Actually, one possibility would be Rincon/Perkins/Span for Jennings and Jeff Baker. I might do that. I might even sub in Crain for Rincon and Slowey for Perkins if they prefer.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 3, 2006 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
This...
I think that really does help both teams.
It'll be interesting to see what can be done. I also really would like to see something get done with the Dodgers. They have an abundance of players capable of playing 3b, OF, and SP, and need upper-shelf relief pitching. I'd think a deal could be made.
by djskilbr on Dec 4, 2006 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Jeff Baker
by caseintheface on Dec 4, 2006 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
He...
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5371
It is obviously a very limited sample size, but all reports are that the kid can hit, and should hit in the future. He's had some injury problems in the past, and really is excess for Colorado at this point. Not that they'll let him go for peanuts, but they certainly don't NEED him. Just like we don't NEED Rincon/Crain or Perkins/Baker.
Here's some minor league stats and a brief scouting report on him as well:
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Jeff_Baker/
I personally love the guy and would love to have him on the Twins. A trade for Jennings and him, and a signing of Rondell back and a good bench guy or two would go a LONG way towards helping this team. I'd still love to move Castillo ideally for a bigger stick or other needs as well given this market, but I'm not sure that happens. But this is certainly a team I could live with:
Castillo-2b
Mauer-C
Cuddyer-RF
Morneau-1b
Hunter-CF
Kubel-LF/DH
White-DH/LF
Baker-3b
Bartlett-SS
Bench: Redmond, Punto, Tyner, 2 more bats from FA
Staff:
Santana, Jennings, Garza, Bonser, Silva (Slowey/Perkins backing up)
Nathan, Rincon/Crain, Neshek, Reyes, Guerrier, Perkins/Durbin
by djskilbr on Dec 4, 2006 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
For Sure
Git'er Done
by caseintheface on Dec 4, 2006 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly...
by djskilbr on Dec 4, 2006 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
BABIP...
The bigger problem is that he put his numbers up at Colorado Springs, which has a lot of the same park-adjustment problems that you get for Coors Field.
To be clear...
by djskilbr on Dec 4, 2006 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not that high...
PECOTA had Baker projected as a .252/.317/.441 (in a neutral park) hitter in the major leagues last year. Following a typical age curve (and noting that he did nothing this year to make us especially skeptical), .265/.330/.475 seems like it would be a reasonable projection for what he could do in a neutral park as a 26-year old in 2007. That's basically what Cuddyer did as a 26-year old (in 2005), except Cuddyer had less power (.263/.330/.422). That's probably about the caliber of prospect we're talking about here.
so i'm curious...
by djskilbr on Dec 4, 2006 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
If Baker...
It all depends on what we'd be giving up for Baker. I don't like to spend a whole lot of time pondering what I might give up for Baker, because there are so many factors and permutations of players that might be acceptable, and also because acquiring any one particular player by trade is kind of unlikely, but I think there are scenarios where it could be possible for the Twins and Rockies to do a win-win trade where the Twins acquire Baker.
I'm not that excited about acquiring Jennings at this point. I've heard his name attached to a few more teams now, and I just think that someone is going to overpay and out-bid the Twins. If TR is in serious negotiations with Baker, likes him, and the Rockies think they have a glut of corner guys, I could see TR maybe doing a side deal for Baker alone. Again, though, that has maybe like a 5% chance of happening, if that.
The main point, I guess, is that there are guys like Baker out there. The idea of trading middle relief (or something) for a guy like Baker is a good one, because it's generally a good idea to trade from strength to address positions of weakness. And right now, the Twins have a ton of depth in the bullpen and very little depth at the corners. (Heck, think about the nightmare that would happen if Morneau gets injured. We've really got zero good options at first base if that happens. Improving the depth at the corners should be a priority.)
Honestly...
Bonser was better than Jennings last year. He's also cheaper, and under team control for much longer.
Matt Garza was the Minor League Pitcher of the Year last year. While I don't think that necessarily makes him the very best pitching prospect out there, having him under team control for the next five years or so is a hell of a lot more valuable than one year of an innings eater.
Trading Bonser OR Garza in a straight-up trade for Jennings would make a terrible deal for the Twins. Including Crain would make it highway robbery. If that's the starting point on discussions, the discussions might as well end before they start.
It is a terrible deal
by caseintheface on Dec 3, 2006 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
he's gone...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6265388
Ken Rosenthal reports that the Astros have acquired Jason Jennings and Miguel Asencio from the Rockies. In return, the Rockies will get Willy Tavarez, Jason Hirsh, and Taylor Buchholz. Apparently Kenny Williams wasn't lying when he said there was nothing to the rumor that the White Sox were going to acquire Hirsh and company for Jon Garland.

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