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Free Jason Bartlett

Wah 'Append? My second favorite player gets sent down while I'm on vacation and I can't even drown my sorrows in this blog until I return. That is so wrong.

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It was only a matter of time before I started referring to our beloved manager by my pet name for him--Gardenhoser. (It's an homage to the movie "Rookie of the Year" in which the manager can't pronounce the kid's name--Rollengardner--so he calls him Gardenhoser.) And when I'm really peeved with him, I might just shorten it to the penultimate Canadian insult--'Hoser. And If I really get steamed, I might use the ultimate insult--'Hosehead.

Anyway, I made a pact this offseason that as long as 'Hoser stayed on his meds and didn't flip out at the least inconsequential thing--like Lew Ford making light saber noises--I would show him the respect due to all major league managers and refer to him by his uninspired clubhouse nickname--Gardy. It was inevitable that he would flip out and do something stupid, but I thought it would take me a few games into the season when he calls for a bunt with Mike Redmond on second base in a tie game without pinch running for Red Dog before I started doing it.

Obviously, I'm already doing it because he's already screwed up royally in my book. On a team as offensively challenged as this one, he decides that offense doesn't matter at shortstop and he sends down the best hitting shortstop this team's had seen since Zoillo.

It wouldn't be a big deal if Bartlett was a 23-year old rookie just trying to make the team. But this guy has done everything the organization asked him to do. He's 26 years old and he's had an OBP of over .400 for two consecutive years at AAA. In his second stint with the big club, he handled himself exptremely well and showed that he was a vast improvement over the other candidates. He's radically improved his defense, which was always rangy but is now much more consistent. He's gotten a lot stronger so he can drive balls rather than just slapping singles and taking walks. Terry Ryan already said "he's got nothing more to prove at AAA." Now is his time to shine in the majors. And Ryen went out and got two veterans to play alongside him just to make the transition more palatable for 'Hoser. But 'Hoser wasn't satisfied with two veterans, he wanted three.

No matter what gets asked of him, 'Hoser comes up with a new excuse to send him out in favor of--excuse me while I swallow my breakfast again--Juan Castro. The excuse de juer is that Bartlett does not show enough leadership. Well, I'm sorry but when you're playing next to Luis Castillo and you're practically a rookie, you shut up and let your play do the talking. There are plenty of quiet guys in the clubhouse and on the field--everybody's favorite player Joe Mauer for example--and 'Hoser doesn't send him down to show more leadership out of the position that demands leadership. 'Hoser says he wants his shortstop to be the "quarterback" of the infield. I thought the catcher was the quarterback. Hmm.

Castro is a solid shortstop in the field. But he has limited range, which will become painfully self evident next to Tony Batista with Carlos Silva on the mound. Suffice it to say we will hear "ground single into left" a lot with those two over there. Bartlett has at least two more steps of range than Castro in the hole, and a much stronger arm. But 'Hoser wants a rah-rah guy who can chear on the left fielder to take those "seeing eye" singles while he runs to second to receive the throw.

And Castro can't hit. He gets hot once in a while and has two or three games of 1-3. But most games he's got  0 for 3 written all over him. On the bright side, he's better than having a pitcher hit in the nine hole, I guess. But not much. On the other hand, Bartlett is a good hitter who could start rallies from the nine hole. He can steal bases, which Castro doesn't even try anymore.

In short, it's not in the best interestes of the team for Bartlett to go down. It's only a matter of time before 'Hoser is forced to call Bartlett back up, but why wait to use him? The Twins start the season with perhaps their toughest stretch of games of the whole year. Why handicap your line-up and your defense in this critical stretch just because you want more rah-rah out there?

It's also not in Bartlet's best interest to send him to AAA. As a parting shot, he lead the Red Wings to a 15-3 rout of the Twins by going 4-5 with a home run and a two-run double yesterday against Scott Baker and company. To that, 'Hosehead just shrugged and said "That's what they're expected to do."

That's my point exactly. Bartlett made one error all spring and all 'Hoser talks about is the dropped pop-up. He hit like crazy (.375/.450) this spring, but he "didn't do the little things good enough." He played defense like a star but he didn't show enough leadership. He'll go down to Rochester and show the leadership 'Hoser wants and 'Hoser will come up with another excuse--he's too laid back, or he's not man enough or some such lame excuse. And the Twins will suffer through their toughest schedule with a guy who's a little better than a pitcher hitting ninth.

Poll
Who should start the season at short?
Juan Castro
8 votes
Nick Punto
3 votes
Jason Bartlett
74 votes
Luis Rodriguez
1 votes
Luis Maza
1 votes
Ron Gardenhoser
3 votes

90 votes | Poll has closed

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Well said
I agree completely.  This would be completely inexplicable, were it not for the fact that it fits exactly with what we saw last year from the weasel.  

Recall, if you will, that this is the same manager who stated, less than one year ago, that we really miss Henry Blanco.  Yeah, Joe Mauer is really a pale imitation of Henry Blanco.  Jason Bartlett is to Juan Castro what Joe Mauer is to Henry Blanco.  If nothing else, the weasel is consistent.

While certainly not the only asinine thing that flew out of the weasel's mouth last year, that was the most telling.  He is, in short, an idiot.  

I saw on Will Young's site some speculation on why this happened.  My personal favorite is that Bartlett doesn't like Nascar enough.

by SDfan on Apr 3, 2006 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Salary Game
The Twins always hate to cut salary, it seems. We are paying the guy, so I guess we must use him (i.e. look at Mays last season, or Mulholland).

Bartlett is good, but not the end all. Just a nice stop gap.

The other problem with the Twins has usually been a sameness to the players. Castro/Punto/Rodriguez (and alst year Cuddyer/Rivas) in the infield. All are basically the same. Some are a bit better than others, but in very minute ways.

You could say the same about the outfield...Hunter/Stewart/Ford (and now Cuddyer) and alst year Jones. No one outshines, truly, the other in average/SLG. OBP. No one is faster than another. None are clutch-hitters (Stewart sinking fast).

ARguments can be amde that a team should be composed of a big bopper, a speedster, a couple of guys who hit for average, someone who walks more than strikeouts, someone capable of moving a runner over (be it a bunt or a fly). You supplement some weakness in batting skills with great glove work. Or stick with a bench player or DH who can basically only hit.

I always say someone has to make 24-27 outs in a game, so that's a given (except in yesterdays Rochester/Twins game...whew!)

I would almost like to see an outfield of, say, Restovich, Tyner and Kubel. An infield, I could suffer with Cuddyer if shortstop was a fielding gem. Bartlett could fill the bill. Castillo brings the leadership neeed to the infield, not a rookie in his second partial season (give me a break, Gardy). Morneau and Mauer will develop just fine. And a player like Rondell WHite (if healthy) is a fine example of a DH...20+ homers (hopefully) and a .300 BA.

by twintown on Apr 3, 2006 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

CMath, you already know...
...the reason to send him back down after he comes up for a couple weeks in May or June.  He will be a vocal, changed player.  However, he will not be showing proper respect to the veterans around him...therefore, be deserving of another demotion even though hitting .290!

by roger @ Twinkie Town on Apr 3, 2006 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
This Bartlett business is getting way out of hand.  Castro's a great guy to have around as a defensive replacement or someone maybe to stick in the field for a Carlos Silva start.  And he's nice to have on the bench for his positional flexibility.  But as an everyday starter?  Ick.

He hit like crazy (.375/.450) this spring, but he "didn't do the little things good enough."

At some point, the big things outweigh the little things.  Someone should help Gardy to understand that.

by ubelmann on Apr 3, 2006 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Give this a rest
What big things?  He's not going to hit home runs like Soriano.  He has a horribly inaccurate arm and has trouble picking tough bounces despite his range.  While watching Adam Dunn's performance (game tying solo homer followed by 2 bad plays that led to 4 runs for the Cubs) today, I'm reinvesting in the little things.  

We're going with a career .230 hitter and sending down a career .233 hitter who's not 100% healthy so Jason Kubel can be on the roster.  I'm comfortable with that, I think everyone needs to calm down.  

The only upgrade Bartlett is over Castro or L-Rod is potential.  

by TheMattWilke on Apr 3, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
I agree that having Kubel on the roster is a good thing.  That's the only part of your post I agree with, however.

Bartlett has much greater range, it seems to me.  He also has more power, more speed, a stronger arm, and has had something like 150 ABs in the majors so far.  Castro's had over 1000.  So those "career" numbers are a little misleading.  His minor-league numbers, over a number of years, point to a player with significant offensive potential.  And he clearly out-played Castro this spring.  That is, to everyone except Ron Gardenhire.  

Even the boot-licking beat writers for the Strip and Press sound incredulous, to the extent they're allowed.  This was a pretty shocking decision, and one that I find indefensible given this club's needs.  

Castro may have better hands, but he clearly doesn't have the range Bartlett does.  Couple that with Batista's limited range, and you're looking at a gaping hole in the left side of the infield.  

Bartlett shouldn't have to show additional "leadership", either.  As someone else put it, he's got established veterans at second and third in Castillo and Batista.  To me, he would come off as an obnoxious, cocky rookie if he showed any more "leadership".  

Sometimes leaders do so by example, by getting on base and making plays in the field.  They don't always have to do so by being vocal.  That whole argument of the weasel's was just absurd.  

by SDfan on Apr 3, 2006 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't watch the Twins much, do you?
He has not committed a throwing error in his major league career. Castro has committed several throwing errors. Castro's throwing errors usually come because he doesn't get enough on his throws. Bartlett might not hit the target chest high every time, but at least he gets something on his throws.

Bartlett rates highly on every defensive metric that measures range. Castro rates several notches below Bartlett in every metric that meaures range.

Bartlett hits better than any shortstop candidate in the system by a long shot. He will produce twice as many quality at bats than Castro.

You know what you will get with Castro. A good field no hit shortstop--a throw back to when Gardenhoser played and you didn't need a shortstop who hit to be competitive. At 33, he will not improve and he's far more likely to regress, which he did consistently last year when he played every day for six weeks.

Bartlett is 26 to 27, entering the peak of his physical abilities with upside left. Bartlett has a chance to be a star. Castro will never be anything but replacement level.

Joe Mauer for MVP.

by cmathewson on Apr 3, 2006 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about getting on base?
"We're going with a career .230 hitter and sending down a career .233 hitter who's not 100% healthy so Jason Kubel can be on the roster."

No, we're going with Castro so that L-Rod can be on the roster.  Sierra would have been the hitter that pushed Kubel off the roster.  If the Twins kept Bartlett, Castro, Punto, Castillo, and L-Rod all on the roster, that would be 5 guys who are middle infielders, which would be insane.

Maybe Bartlett is a career .233 hitter, but that's in something like 250 ABs.  This isn't like complaining that Cuddyer hasn't had enough chances, Cuddyer's had a lot of at-bats.  Even take Castro for instance, as a 26-year old, Castro hit .195/.245/.255 in 220 ABs.  Then, in the next season where he got more than 1 AB, he hit .241/.283/.366.

Bartlett has a really solid minor league resume, and has given us plenty of reason to believe he will be a much better hitter than Castro this season.  PECOTA has the two hitters forecast as:

Bartlett:  .269/.346/.402
Castro:    .245/.283/.370

Over the course of 450 or so plate appearances, Bartlett's going to be about 20 runs, or 2 wins, better than Castro at the plate.  The last two years in AAA, Bartlett's hit basically .330/.410/.465 in about a full season's worth of at-bats.

At some point, you see enough of a guy in the major leagues where his major league numbers mean more than his minor league numbers, but Bartlett has yet to reach that point.  Not to mention, a lot of his numbers from last year were collected in the #2 spot in the lineup, where Bartlett had no business being, but it was Gardy insisted on putting him, because he has a fixation on hitting a middle infielder second in the lineup.  Put Bartlett in the #9 spot, and there won't be the pressure on him, plus add the fact that he has some more experience now and should be more comfortable, and there's every reason to believe that Bartlett will improve (including his tremendous spring.)

From watching Bartlett, I also think that you're overestimating his defensive shortcomings.  Besides the fact that while Castro has good hands and an accurate arm, his range is far from spectacular.

It just seems as though this team is built too much to an extreme of run prevention over everything else.  At some point, it pays to be a more balanced team and give up a little bit in the field in order to score some more runs.

Plus, you can come up with a pretty reasonable compromise by starting out by planning on getting Bartlett 3 plate appearances per game, unless that third plate appearance is in a really high leverage situation against a RHP, in which case you might go for a lefty pinch-hitter.  Then, you get Castro his 2-3 innings of fielding.

Basically, some combination of Bartlett/Castro ought to be better for this team than some combination of Castro/Punto.

by ubelmann on Apr 3, 2006 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard all of this before
But Bartlett has not proven anything in the show.  

And he's only been credited for one throwing error, but he worries me on that field when the groundball pitchers are out there.  

by TheMattWilke on Apr 4, 2006 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you
I see no problems in starting the season with Castro at SS and Bartlett at AAA.  It gives the team a chace to start the season settled on defense.  Bartlett will get called up at some point, probably sooner than later, and it will be interesting to see if he seizes the chance.  He could provide a nice spark to the offense a couple of weeks into the season, or he might not hit at all.  We don't really know.

My take on the situation is that the coaches are trying to challenge Bartlett a little bit as opposed to handing him the job like they did last season and see how he responds.

I guess I just don't see the fuss about Bartlett.  He started out hot and got fat against lesser pitchers in September, but in between he was pretty useless.  Bartlett could be the type of player that can beat up on bad pitching, but is overmatched by good pitching.  In addition to this, Gardy doesn't seem fully convinced that Bartlett can make all of the plays on defense.  And honestly, of all the times that I have seen Bartlett play, I don't disagree (at least when compared to Castro).

by snuessle on Apr 5, 2006 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else remember this?
I think that Bartlett was sent down last year shortly after colliding with Hunter on a short fly.  I think Torii missed a game or two with a bruised hand.  I never read or heard anything about the incident, but I've wondered if it created some problems for him.

by stuartnelsen on Apr 3, 2006 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I also read this spring...
...where Castillo has made a few comments, looks, about several plays Bartlett made.  Gardy didn't play Bartlett much with Castillo throughout spring training which was an early indication of what was happening.  I wonder if Castillo said something to or about Bartlett's play that caused Gardy to cut Bartlett?

by roger @ Twinkie Town on Apr 4, 2006 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and Silva
Apparently, Silva and Castillo told 'Hoser they felt more comfortable with Castro. Big surprise. Silva and Castro are buddies. And Castillo hasn't had any time to get comfortable with Bartlett. Barlett didn't play two consecutive games with Castillo all spring.  Give Bartlett a week of consecutive games with Catillo and they'd develop a comfort level. How's he supposed to do that in Rochester again? Hoser's just clueless.

I hate to say it, but it might take a 2-13 start for him to either get the message that this aint that great an offense or get fired for sticking with the worst shortstop in the league while one of the most promising shortstops languishes in the minors.

Joe Mauer for MVP.

by cmathewson on Apr 4, 2006 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that...
...there is some limit to how poorly Castro can hit for him to stick around in the lineup.  If he's hitting .190 or something (not out of the realm of possibility,) Bartlett's lighting it up in AAA again, and the Twins offense continues to struggle and pitchers are losing more one run games, they might just welcome Bartlett with open arms.

The worst thing that could happen is for Castro to have an insane first week that will make his season stats look acceptable until the end of May or something while he hits like himself after the first week.  Sort of like how Cuddyer's bad April last year masked how he was doing reasonably well the rest of the season.

Perhaps what's going on here is that the Twins really think they solved their offensive problems with Castillo, White, Batista, healthy Morneau, and more experienced Mauer, so they were willing to sacrifice offense at a key defensive position and a low spot in the batting order.  If it then becomes clear that they haven't solved their offensive problems, we could see Bartlett again.

by ubelmann on Apr 4, 2006 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Half right
I agree that the attitude is the lineup looks so much better than last year that offense from SS is not a requirement.  However, I think Gardy & TR are partially right and that the offense will be improved enough for them to be competitive allowing them to retain Castro (and Batista) despite their terrible offense, but solely because of improvement further up the order.  Thus will be extended Bartlett's time rotting in AAA.

I could accept Batista hitting eighth because I expected Bartlett to hit like another leadoff man at 9.  With Batista at 8 and Castro at 9, there will be so many outs at the bottom of the order behind Kubel or Cuddyer, both of whom look really good, that many runs will go begging. Such a shame.

These largely incoherent thoughts were hurriedly scribbled down

by Victor @ Twinkie Town on Apr 4, 2006 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right
Playing Bartlett instead of Castro will be the difference between 2-13 and .500.  I highly doubt that.

If the Twins start 2-13, they will much bigger problems than who is starting at SS.

by snuessle on Apr 5, 2006 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Range
Range is something that's hard to quantify, but looking up their range factors per nine innings last season (they had comparable playing time) I find:

Castro 5.21
Bartlett 4.95

So, I guess I'm not seeing this major advantage that Bartlett has when it comes to range.

by kristocks1 on Apr 3, 2006 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly
Range is difficult to quantify.  Watch the two of them play.  See how far Castro can go to get the ball, and see how far Bartlett can go to get the ball.  Judging them by their numbers in the 60-odd games they played last year is a fool's errand.  You need more data than that to draw any kind of meaningful conclusion from fielding statistics.

by ubelmann on Apr 3, 2006 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point was...
...that they have such low expectations from Castro that it would take some kind of horrible start for them to even consider a change. My guess is Bartlett stays in AAA until September.
Joe Mauer for MVP.

by cmathewson on Apr 5, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Limozeen over at Minor League Ball said...

"-According to the FRAA system, Bartlett saved 12 runs more than the average shortstop would have in his playing time, good for a 119 Rate defensive stat.  That is simply outstanding, better than any full-time shortstop int the AL.

-His range factor was 4.95, good enough to beat out every starting shortstop in the American League as well.

-His Zone Rating of .865 put his AL counterparts to shame.

-In terms of avoiding errors, Bartlett's .979 fielding percentage tied Derek Jeter for second in the AL, trailing only Orlando Cabrera.

-David Pinto's probabilistic model of range lists Bartlett as the third best shortstop defensively in the major leagues.

Every widely accepted fielding stat tells us that Jason Bartlett is a well above average fielder.  And God knows he has more offensive potential than Fidel.  There's no reason that Bartlett's wasting development time in AAA."

This is about as good an indicator of Barlettt's fielding prowess that I've seen. I quote it rather than doing all the research work to recreate it.

Joe Mauer for MVP.

by cmathewson on Apr 3, 2006 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

To temper things a little bit...
...almost all of those stats loved Castro, too, and gave Punto decent marks, even though I feel Punto is a below average defensive shortstop.

For instance, using Clay Davenport's FRAA system, Bartlett was indeed about 19% more valuable than an average SS (which is what the 119 Rate tells you.)  However, using that same system, Castro was 24% more valuable than an average SS last year.  Pinto's PMR favored Bartlett, but still had Castro as well above average.

Looking at the numbers, I think there was something wacky going on with balls hit to the Twins' infielders last season.  But, looking at all of the available info, it doesn't seem like there's a huge difference between Castro's fielding and Bartlett's fielding to me, except that one is more steady and the other is a bit flashier.  As far as either being well above average, though, I'm not really convinced.

by ubelmann on Apr 3, 2006 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
I remember analyzing those stats and using them as a foil for the fact that they do not tell the whole tale, especially since none of those three started more than a half a year of games.

But I do rely on observation on defense, which, unlike the stats, attempts to take the speed of batted balls into account. I remember TwinsGeek making the poignant observation that Castro seeemd to be wearing down in July and was not even trying to get balls hit up the middle or too far in the hole. When Bartlett came up and sent Castro to the bench, I was stunned at how much further he could range after hard-hit balls, how much deeper in the outfield he could go for Texas leaguers, etc.

My beef here is that it was so obvious to me at the end of last year that Bartlett had proven himself to be better than Castro, and it was obvious in spring trainng as well, that it jsems like Gardy has it out for him for no apparent reason. Ultimately, i just don't get it. Doesn't Gardy want to win badly enough to put aside his petty prejudices and play the guy who's not only clearly better now but the shortstop for the next three years?

Joe Mauer for MVP.

by cmathewson on Apr 3, 2006 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Castro?
"-His range factor was 4.95, good enough to beat out every starting shortstop in the American League as well."

The key word there is "starter". Castro, who had even amount of playing time as Bartlett beat Bartlett in just about every defensive category you could come up with.

For the record, I think Bartlett should be starting.

1.) He has more potential as a hitter
2.) He's more likely to improve defensively than Castro is.

I think some of the arguments that have been made for Bartlett are a bit exaggerated.

by kristocks1 on Apr 3, 2006 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Bias
The problem with observation is that it's affected by bias.

by kristocks1 on Apr 3, 2006 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure...
...but the stats are affected by bias, too.  It's just that the stats are biased in a more subtle and hard to understand way.  Take Zone Rating, for instance, which is a fairly advanced stat, though not really the best one.  It attempts to judge how many balls a fielder fields that go into his defensive zone.  But how do you define a fielder's defensive zone?  That's a rather subjective measure, especially since there are certainly plays (mostly pop-ups) where more than one fielder could make the play.  So even though Zone Rating makes it seem like there's no bias, there's a hidden bias in there.

The best way to judge defense right now is to combine the stats with observation.  (Actually, that's the best way to judge anything in baseball, but offensive stats are more accurate than defensive ones at the moment.)

It's just really hard to divvy up, using stats, what part of run prevention falls under the pitching column and what part of run prevention falls under the fielding column, so we have to rely on observations maybe more than we would like to.

by ubelmann on Apr 3, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defensive Metrics
I don't think the range arguments above really matter all that much.  The point is, that by basically every measure of defensive performance, Castro was not vastly superior to Bartlett, contrary to whatever Gardy or TR think.  Given the fact that defense between both players is about even, it can be concluded that Bartlett should be given the opportunity to start based on his exponentially greater potential as a hitter.  

by MauerPower @ Twinkie Town on Apr 4, 2006 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Defensive Matrices
I am not a fan of defensive matrix stats at all.  I basically think they have no value whatsoever.

I do, however, watch quite a lot of baseball, both in person and on television, and here are my bservations:

Castro:
-Very Good Hands, makes all teh standard plays
-Below average range, especially to his left
-Weak thrwoing arm

Bartlett:
-Improved consistancy greatly during time in AAA and now has at least average hands
-Large range.  Can get to balls very deep to his left.
-Good leaping ability
-Strong throwing arm, he can REALLY put something behind it when he needs to.

So Castro is unbelievably consistnat at balls he reaches, but he doesn't reach as many as he should.  Bartlett is average to abover average at playing balls he reaches and reaches moderatly more than he should.

In my mind, that puts Barttlett AT WORST as a near wash with Castro, quite possibly a defensive gain.

Hitting wise, as we know, ther is no comparison.  Even in Bartlett's rookie campaign, in which he was jerked around by the managment, he managed a .316 OBP.  Castro had a .279 OBP which is on par with his career numbers.

In other words, Bartlett of last year was allready at least on par with Castro overall and likely superior.  Bartlett is 26 with nothing left to prove in the minor leagues and strong ability to produce moderatly well in the majors.  Castro is a 33 year old career utility infielder who will AT BEST repeat last year's performance.  He has proven over his entire career that he is not a suitable starting infielder.

I stnad by what I have said across the internet with regards to Gardy's decision.  IT solidifies his place as one of the worst managers in baseball.

by AdamOnFirst on Apr 4, 2006 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Well said Adam
My thoughts exactly.
Joe Mauer for MVP.

by cmathewson on Apr 4, 2006 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Even if you thought Castro was better
Even if you thought Castro was the superior fielder, Gardy is horribly overestimating the difference it makes.  Even if you thought Castro made 1 play a week that Bartlett doesnt make (which is almost impossible) and if each of those plays cost a run(even closer to impossible).....Bartlett's bat is going to make it a wash.  

The Twins win despite of Gardenhire, not because of him. They may win it all this year, but it isnt  because of the sunflower seed addict in the dugout. It makes me so sad because this pitching staff and team the Twins have had over the last few years, should have made a run at not one...but several World Series but the window is closing the closer we get to the end of Johan and Nathan's contracts.

It would be a lot less frustrating if because of the system and salary constraints the Twins had no options besides Batista and Castro....but that isnt the case.  They have better options in the system and under contract.  

by BHtwins on Apr 4, 2006 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

The value of premium fielders
It's tough to measure exactly how good each fielder is, but it's not as hard to tell what the range is in the value of fielding.  Premium defenders can be worth 20-30 runs over average, and terrible defenders can cost 20-30 runs over average, especially at the up-the-middle positions.  Those are the extreme ranges of the spectrum, but if Castro really was a solid defender, something like 10 runs above average, and Bartlett was a poor defender, worth 10 runs below average, then the difference could about to about 20 runs over the course of the season, which is probably about the difference between their hitting.

So I think it's an unfair characterization to say that Bartlett's bat is so much better that there's no way for Castro's defense to overcome it no matter how good he is.

by ubelmann on Apr 4, 2006 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using PMR
The difference between the worst defensive shortstop in the league last year and the best was 51 runs.  That was with the worst SS being almost 3/4 of run per 27 outs worse then the next worst SS and the second worse being almost 1/2 run per 27 worse then the 3rd worst.

Since Castro obviously isnt the best defensive shortstop and Bartlett obviously isnt the worst can we just say that Castro's defense being 1 run a week better then Bartlett has being near impossible?

Even if it was 20ish runs, Bartlett with some marginal improvement over last year would be pretty close to 20 runs better then Mr. Castro's sub .280 OBP.

by BHtwins on Apr 5, 2006 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Going off of their PECOTAs...
...is where I got the 20 runs on offense.  That's projecting a lot of improvement on Bartlett's part, which I do think is probable.

I think it's unlikely that Castro specifically will be 20 runs better than Bartlett on defense, but I was just objecting because I got the impression that you were saying it's impossible for someone's defense in general to be worth that much.  I think they are probably pretty comparable defensive players, but wanted to make the point that while I have been harping about how hard it is to quantify defense, it doesn't mean that defense can't make a difference.

by ubelmann on Apr 5, 2006 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rumor du juer
TwinsGeek says the Twins ar punishing bartlett for not playing winter ball. After how worn out h was in September, he took Mauer's advice instead and worked at getting stronger in the offseason so he can handle the grind of a full season. The Twins wanted him sto stay weak, I guess and come to camp already tired from a season of winter ball. Whatever. I think Bartlett made the right choice, and he will soon be proving it in AAA.
Joe Mauer for MVP.

by cmathewson on Apr 5, 2006 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

That one...
...goes back awhile.  I even remember at the time Bartlett decided to not play winter ball, Gardy expressed his displeasure publicly.  I also remember being worried about how it might affect JB's chances of making the team.

by ubelmann on Apr 5, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too
I also read this.

Frankly, if there is any substance behind htis rumor, I am pissed off as hell.

Basically, if Bartlett isn't starting in four weeks time, I'm going to have to start calling into Gardy's radio show with increasingly belligerant stances on this issue.

I want a "Save Jason" shirt (in the style of save Ferris).

by AdamOnFirst on Apr 12, 2006 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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