Gammons: Miggy on the market
Peter Gammons is reporting on ESPN.com that Miguel Cabrera is being shopped by the Marlins. For those teams looking for a good offensive third baseman, he's what Jack Black would accurately describe as "A cream dream."
I don't know if it's even within the realm of possibility, but here are some of the positives associated with the Twins considering going after Cabrera:
1.) Cabrera has two years before he's free-agency eligible, making the Twins instant contenders next year and the year following.
2.) He instantly replaces (and upgrades) Hunter's power at a primary power position and ends the "who's on third" debate.
3.) The Marlins are shopping him because expenses are tight with their new stadium looming, and are looking for prototypical Marlins acquistions: Young Talent, which the twins have in spades.
4.) The Venezuelan-born Cabrera would hopefully give Johan Santana incentive to stay around.
5.) Equating Cabrera's salary against Hunter's, Cabrera saves the Twins 4-5 Million per year for those two years, loosening up some room to acquire a decent center fielder. Mike Cameron made 7 million last year, and chances are he'll go cheaper now.
Some things that might be a deterrent for a small-market team going after a guy like Miggy:
1.) His salary jumped past the "serf" status for the first time this past year, where he made 7.4 million. This wouldn't be unprecedented for the Twins to take on a contract of that size, and it certainly beats what Hunter is asking for. Besides, getting a bona fide superstar for that kind of money is akin to a bargain for almost any team.
2.) For a team proclaiming to take great pride in their defense, Cabrera has some folks in Miami worried about his weight and agility playing third. Granted he's no Tony Batista at the hot corner, but his conditioning has been cause for concern.
3.) We'd have to give up some good young pitching. I hate speculating on names, but chances are to acquire a talent like Cabrera, it would be steep.
Gammons does a interesting study comparing Cabrera's career stats against A-Rod, obviously the pinnacle of offensive third basemen, and it's astounding how Cabrera is showing some of that same promise at only 24 years old.
I don't know if acquiring Cabrera is feasible for the twins to consider, but he's one of the best available at a position we need. Aside from the players we'd have to give up for him, it would be akin to signing a better-hitting Torii Hunter to a two-year, 16 million dollar deal. Plus, I'd just plain love to see the guy hit in our town. Like Jack Black says, a cream dream.
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Stop dreaming
by TheMattWilke on Nov 1, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yankees
I don't think it'll happen. The Yankees looks to have recently gotten out of the habit of selling the farm for trade acquisitions. Besides, with the payroll they can support, they'd rather preserve their young pitching seeing how antique the rotation is and then just sign the rest.
by steve johnson on Nov 2, 2007 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so far fetched
The Twins send the Yankees Johan Santana and Joe Nathan.
The Yankees send the Marlins Phil Hughes, Tyler Clippard, Joba Chamberlain, and Jose Tabata.
The Yankees send the Twins Melky Cabrera (who's expendable after the Yankees sign Torii Hunter).
The Marlins send the Twins Miguel Cabrera.
This would be the Twins line-up:
Bartlett (SS)
Melky (CF)
Mauer (C)
Miggy (3B)
Morneau (1B)
Cuddyer (RF)
Kubel (LF)
Tony Clark (FA DH)
Casilla (2B)
by cmathewson on Nov 1, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's highway robbery for the Marlins
I wouldn't be terribly impressed with a Cabrera/Cabrera return on Santana/Nathan, either.
by ubelmann on Nov 1, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that
by cmathewson on Nov 1, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Melky is garbage...
Also, I agree that's not nearly enough for Johan and Nathan, and I LOVE Miggy.
Really, I don't think it makes any sense to package Santana and Nathan together. If we decide to deal BOTH (highly unlikely IMO) then we can get more for them in separate packages if you ask me.
by djskilbr on Nov 2, 2007 5:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
The Cabrera possibility seems intriguing to me because it might be possible to get him AND keep Santana/Nathan.
by Neil on Nov 2, 2007 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melky vs. Tyner
Melky: .340 .388 .728 23
Tyner: .314 .324 .637 30
Melky's a fantastic defender and he's 23 years old.
He starts for the Yankees.
He might even be good enough to play for the Twins.
by by jiminy on Nov 2, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not...
And nothing in his track record suggests that he'll ever be able to, really. He had a good 30 game stretch in the minors and that's it.
Thanks, but no thanks to Melky as far as I'm concerned.
by djskilbr on Nov 2, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PECOTA...
If you take a look at a guy like, say, Tony Gwynn, he didn't hit for much power until he was 26. Adrian Beltre's another guy who had some low power seasons when he was really young for a major leaguer, but the power came eventually. Cabrera's not necessarily my idea of a perfect acquisition, but there's clearly something in his record that indicates potential.
by ubelmann on Nov 2, 2007 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess...
I simply don't think he's very good at all. And there's really nothing in his numbers that indicate he is either. In either the minors or majors.
by djskilbr on Nov 3, 2007 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Granted, he's had a good supporting cast around him. But a team that has above league average production and good defense at every position figures to win with good pitching.
He's no Torii Hunter, but when people are suggesting Coco Crisp, Jeff Davanon, and (my choice) Willy Tavares, I don't understand why Melky is out of the question as an option.
by cmathewson on Nov 3, 2007 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's why I guess CMath...
I'd much rather have a Cameron or Rowand, or a prospect CF with a chance to really do something.
I think Melky's absolute CEILING is an average CF. To me he's more likely to end up well below that. Just my personal thought.
I guess we'll see what the future brings.
by djskilbr on Nov 3, 2007 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those
by AdamOnFirst on Nov 4, 2007 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we probably can't afford better
by cmathewson on Nov 6, 2007 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Cabrera: .280/.360/.391
AL CFs: .275/.334/.437
Obviously, he didn't match up quite as well this year (although the league average was worse, particularly in SLG), but while you don't see anything that makes you think he's good, I don't see anything that suggests he isn't, either. And he's only 23.
by BeefMaster on Nov 7, 2007 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Melky has been successful from the day he put on pinstripes, at a young age. At a certain point, you throw the minor league stuff out the window. I know I have. If that's what's holding you up, Dustin, I suggest you do the same. It can't be about his major league numbers.
I can see being cautious about his upside, but even at his current rate, he's far better than "garbage" and he's way better than Tyner ever was.
by cmathewson on Nov 7, 2007 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
My overall point is just that I think his "value" is a lot more than it should be. It would take more to get him than I'd want to give up, in other words.
by djskilbr on Nov 7, 2007 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point...
I don't know why Marte took such a pronounced step backwards (I think an injury might have had something to do with it), but there was clearly more going on there than just an issue with the minor-major league transition.
There's also no real reason to throw Melky's minor league numbers out the window. A .294/.344/.422 line for a CF who has been pushed aggressively through the minors is not bad, and in fact is pretty good. His SO/BB ratio of around 2 also suggests that he could project for more power than what he hit in the minors.
by ubelmann on Nov 7, 2007 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't say...
by ubelmann on Nov 6, 2007 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what is it though?....
Again, I generally don't trust PECOTA. They're right on some things, but they're awfully wrong on some too.
Like I said, just my personal opinion that Melky never really amounts to anything.
by djskilbr on Nov 6, 2007 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
I just don't get the comparison. Melky's career OPS ALREADY beat's Tyners by 91 points. THat's as a 22 abd 23 year old!
Even IF Cabrera defied logic and got no better as he aged into his prime, his solid defense and hold-my-own bat (a .720 to .750 OPS annually) is a solid starting center fielder. Even a modest improvement up to an .800 OPS by the time he is 27 makes him one of the top bunch in the league!
Cabrera looks like a pretty bad hitter compared to the other guys on his team, but compared to other CF around the league, he already has a respectable bat with a good glove, and he's still very young!
by AdamOnFirst on Nov 7, 2007 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To get to and .800 OPS
That's not all that easy when you don't have any injuries to blame.
It's possible, but I really don't see it as likely in his case.
by djskilbr on Nov 7, 2007 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's
by AdamOnFirst on Nov 7, 2007 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, 80
I discount his 2006 personally because last year he had many more AB's (practically full-time duty).
by djskilbr on Nov 7, 2007 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast...
- 524 plate appearances
- 612 plate appearances
If you don't see Cabrera making that leap, though, that opinion is perfectly reasonable; I'm just trying to make sure it's fact-based.
by BeefMaster on Nov 7, 2007 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And
by AdamOnFirst on Nov 8, 2007 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Adam...
I just think there are better options and Melky is overrated/overvalued trade-wise because he's in NY. That's really my whole point.
by djskilbr on Nov 8, 2007 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I looked at AB's...
- 460
- 545
Again, maybe I'm wrong here, but I just don't see it in the kid. And yes, that is partially based on his minor league numbers. We will see.
by djskilbr on Nov 8, 2007 4:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, another cream dream
You may begin the choruses of boisterous laughter and "yeah, right" at your leisure.
by Neil on Nov 2, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd do.....
by twintown on Nov 2, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
by anderson800 on Nov 5, 2007 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't Feliz...
There are better options.
by djskilbr on Nov 5, 2007 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
huh?
by anderson800 on Nov 6, 2007 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't comparing him to Reboulet...
Basically because their comparable complete lack of recognition of the strike zone.
by djskilbr on Nov 6, 2007 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
k
by anderson800 on Nov 7, 2007 7:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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