Twins Pull a Bit of a Surprise
The Twins pulled off a bit of a surprise today, signing Craig Monroe to a 1 year contract worth 3.82 million. That number is the least amount they could have paid Monroe under the bargaining agreement, which states a player can only take a 20% paycut at most.
It is worth noting that the deal is no garaunteed. If he is cut before 16 days before the season starts, he will only get just a bit over $600,000. If he is cut between then and the season starting, he will get one fourth of his salary, or just under 1 million dollars.
Obviously, the Twins have an interesting glut of outfielders at the moment. With Young in left, Cuddyer in right, a starting center fielder still coming, and now Kubel and Monroe fighting over additional DH at bats (with Joe Mauer probably getting a share of time there as well) there seems like there might not be enough at bats to go around for even those hitters, much less players such as Jason Tyner and the newly acquired Jason Priddie.
Kelly Theiser had a comment on what the Twins expect to be the situation among the logjam of outfielders:
"Young and Michael Cuddyer are expected to be the starting corner outfielders, and Jason Kubel likely will be the team's primary designated hitter. Monroe's role with the club will be to provide a right-handed bat for the DH spot against lefties and to add some more depth to the outfield."
So we have the starting outfield we expected still, with Kubel having a full blown platoon partner at the DH spot, in addition to having a bench bat.
Bill Smith also had a thought on why he believes there will be enough at bats to go around:
"Between right, left and DH, there are going to be plenty of at-bats available," Smith said. "It's a long season. You certainly need quality guys and also a little bit of depth to get through some of the nagging injuries. You also have to give the manager a little more flexibility with matchups throughout the season."
I don't mean to get on my Jason Kubel soapbox too much, but this deal irritates me a great deal. Jason Kubel has consistently throughout his career hit much better when he's gotten consistent at bats, and now you can guarantee he will NEVER start against left handed pitchers. He'll probably never get many at bats against them at all. His platoon split, which did not exist in the minors, will quickly become a self fulfilling prophecy. This, of course, from a team and manager who never even so much as considered platooning Jacque Jones, despite his career OPS being a whopping 23% lower against lefties in his career (for the record, that's a bigger drop off than going from Torii Hunter or Justin Morneau to Brain Buscher).
On the other hand, a bench bat, especially from the right side, is something this team has missed over the last couple of seasons, and Monroe should do a pretty good job filling that hole.
A lot of the sense of this move probably depends on the focus of this year. IF Santana is traded (likely followed by Nathan) and we embrace project 2010, I'd like to see Monroe cut to allow Kubel more development time. If Santana is still around and the team decided it would still like to try and compete to win NOW, having Monroe could very likely help us a couple time as the year goes on.
This also would make moving Michael Cuddyer back to third base even more worth of serious consideration, but I would be absolutely floored if Ron Garenhire ever even so much as admitted considering it publicly.
For more reading on the Monroe deal, check out Joe C's Blog, which is where I got some of the information for this write-up.
Last, after this move, the Twins now have one remaining unoccupied spot on the 40-man roster.
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by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 12, 2007 7:26 AM EST reply actions
Interesting
Honestly, I'm pretty glad. Priddie can do that same job. Maybe a little better. It makes a lot of sense. Smith spoke of Monroe being able to back up center when he needs too. In 77 games last year, he was only a couple runs below average according to BP, so while he isn't ideal, he is capable.
No reason really to not let Tyner find greener pastures with that.
So you've got Cuddyer and Young starting in the outfield with Monroe and Kubel backing up there, in addition to platooning at DH (and pinch hitting a bunch I suppose) along with Priddie and a starting center fielder. That's a whopping 6 outfielders, but 4 of them will play on any given day with the Dh's, and they also satisfy the bench bat job.
The roster looks a bit like this:
9 man starting lineup
11 man pitching staff (usually is)
Monroe
Priddie
Redmond
Punto/Casilla (the one not in the liineup)
A backup corner player like Buscher (if he's not starting).
That's not too bad at all.
One thought thouhg, where does this leave Garret Jones? HE is blocked at first, now he's severly blocked in the outfield, DH, and bench pop. It's not like we need another lefty bat...
I think that 5 man bench above is pretty solid. Monroe (or Kubel some days I guess) to pinch hit off the bench or play a little outfield. Priddie as the utility OF'er, an infield utility guy (hopefully Punto after Casilla wins the job), Red Dawg, and Brian Buscher (who IS left handed and could pinch hit if he really had too) playing the corners.
where does this leave Garret Jones?
Jones
Cuddyer could move over short-term, otherwise you have super subs (where's Luis Rodriguez when you need him....hummmm) Punto, maybe Macri.
Re: Tyner...is he worth ann $800,000 investment? I would assume that someone will be playing centerfield for the Twins and Pridie looks to be a sufficient backup, with Span needing a shot sometime in 2008. And then we have Roberts and that guy we got from the Mets.
Is Monroe worth an investment? Right now, yes. With Kubel as the designated hitter, supposedly, you aren't going to attract the Tony Clarks or Mike Sweeneys who would like a bit more playing time. Or maybe you will if they can't find work. So Monroe is better than no-one (Rondell White) and if someone better is still available come spring training, he can be deep-sixed for a modest lsot in the $%$$ department.
I still picture the Twins just letting the Cubs keep Tim Lahey for Monroe.
Be interesting to see if anything happens to Ensberg. Is he worth a gamble (Buscher better, anyone, for a season).
Twins still need a centerfielder, shortstop, third baseman. If Johan goes (and especially Nathan) a veteran presence in the pitching department. They have to sort out the Harris/Punto/Marci/Machado/Casilla/Buscher mess, which gets complicated if they sign one or two more infielders.
by twintown on Dec 12, 2007 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly how I feel....
I too will be livid if Monroe significantly cuts into Kubel's playing time, but I'm not sure I see that happening. I think he'll get something like 250 ab's between the occasional DH time, giving Kubel/Young/Cuddyer/maybe even Morneau time off at 1b. Hasn't Monroe played a little bit of 1b before?
Otherwise, I'm ok with this move, even if the cost is a bit high. Payroll isn't going to be a problem this year anyway, with or without Santana, it appears. And our bench is looking to be a LOT stronger this year.
As for a bench bat at the corner INF spot, I'd vote to give Macri a shot at it, assuming he has a good spring. Heck, I've advocated, and still do, a platoon of him and Mike Lamb (sign him). I think that would give you average production at 3b and would be pretty solid, and fairly cheap.
One last thought; this actually seems to affect Joe Mauer a lot, unless we have him learn a new position for his "offdays" from catching, like 3b. Doesn't seem like he can really crack that DH spot at all this year now. Oh well, I guess he'll be more fresh probably.
by djskilbr on Dec 12, 2007 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I was wrong...
I'd like to train him there in the spring though. It'd be a bit more valuable to have him learn that position, though I suppose maybe we're planning on having Mauer/Cuddyer back up 1b, which isn't a bad plan at all either.
by djskilbr on Dec 12, 2007 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I said this on another post, but I will say it
Psychology
by TheMattWilke on Dec 12, 2007 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Everyday
I think the critical part of that sentence is "started regularily," not the part about third base.
He was never GIVEN much time to get comfortable at the position, but I thought he improved over time (albeit in short time) both from my own observations and statistically, from an errors perspective.
Offensively, i think he started doing much beter when he knew he was a starter. When he was at third, he was under constant pressure to keep his job. In fact, he didn't perform immediately when moved to third, and he lost that job. That had happened to him repeatedly in his short career. Cuddyer used to say he felt he settled in because he knew he's be playing everyday, and he only needed on glove since he knew he had a position. I think that position could have been third base if he had been handed that position like he was handed right field.
I think he would have hit the same pretty soon and gained confidence fielding. Now there is question as too whether or not he'd be a decent fielder at third even with that confidence, but we'll probably never know that now.
I still think it would behoove this organization to try it out, or at least think about it especially if the Twins are unsuccessful at bringing a real or young third baseman. Worst case scenario is after, say, June, if he is comfortable hitting there but is still clearly inadequate defensively and not improving they could always move him back to right.
by AdamOnFirst on Dec 12, 2007 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate having Monroe around
They have to give him a clean shot at everyday playing time and stop messing around with no upside veterans taking those spots.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 12, 2007 9:53 AM EST reply actions
Another problem
by Algonad on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 AM EST reply actions
I'm not that bothered by this
One of the chief weaknesses of this team the last three years has been the quality of the outfield bench. Ford and Tyner are not major league players. Monroe is an upgrade over either player. White was a complete bust. Monroe is an upgrade over him as well. And the DH spot, which has been a black hole the last three years (Tyner got more at bats than anyone) is much stronger now.
Going back to Tom Kelly, the organization is committed to using its bench to keep players fresh. This is one of two areas where Gardy follows his mentor to the letter. So if you have Lew Ford or Jason Tyner or, God forbid, Chris Heintz sitting on the bench, they'll steal at bats away from guys like Kubel or, gasp, Mauer. It's better that Monroe do this than Ford Tyner, or Heintz, IMO.
The money doesn't bother me much either. The Twins wasted $7 million last year on Ortiz, Ponson, and White. They can afford to spend half that on a useful player in 2008.
Every player claims his stats suffer with infrequent at bats. While I am somewhat concerned about this, it is not a problem with Monroe only. Tyner and Ford and any other alternative (Mench) would face the same challenge. Monroe will need to adjust because he's just not an everyday player anymore. At least he's better than the others to start with. It's up to Joe Vavra to make sure he makes the adjustment.

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