Good luck in Seattle, Senor Jackal
Silva's apparently about to sign with the Mariners for $44MM/4yrs per Ken Rosenthal, and boy oh boy are the M's fans unhappy with it.
Good analysis and discussion by Dave at USS Mariner (a site that you should probably be reading anyway; I certainly enjoy it even though I don't feel very strongly one way or the other about the M's). Weirdly enough, seems that the posters over yonder aren't too keen on the idea of committing $11MM per annum to Senor Silva...can't imagine why. Though to be fair, I don't know what the M's fans were expecting their front office to do with that money anyway.
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I wonder if...
by cmathewson on Dec 18, 2007 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha...
they are still a starter short, unless they have that much faith in morrow.
and if that's the case, then they're still 3 "good" starters short, at least.
by djskilbr on Dec 18, 2007 6:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal said...
by cmathewson on Dec 18, 2007 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad...
But I have always been leery of Seattle pitchers. I think it must be their development program because they're guys get injured like no other organization I can think of, or so it seems.
For a FA CF acquisition (if we can somehow bring Johan back to the fold) I've been thinking more and more of Alexei Ramirez. I really think he would be my top option in CF at this point, assuming the cost isn't prohibitive.
He's got pop AND could hit leadoff; something that Lofton/Cameron can't claim.
by djskilbr on Dec 18, 2007 8:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think
Seattle's apparent lack of defensive prowess that the fans are worried about will be a problem with Silva however.
I guess it just depends if you think that 190 IP from an average starter is worth the 11 mil. I think it is if you are a team with decent sized coffers. If you are a team with good offense, Silva gives you a definite shot too win (Texas comes to mind) or if you are a team in serious need of pitching depth (the Mets comes to mind as a team that would have been ideal for Silva) I think Silva helps. If you are a team with marginal defense who probably isn't really expected to contend terribly soon anyway, I don't think this is really such a fantastic chance to help the team.
SO while I think Silva is a solid guy to bring in, it is a move that doesn't really seem to fit the Mariner situation terribly well.
But I don't think Mariners fans will come to hate Carlos "El Diablo" Silva anytime soon.
by AdamOnFirst on Dec 19, 2007 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by Diggity Dino on Dec 19, 2007 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
And yeah, for most teams it's a solid signing. But I think I'd cringe at the $11 million price tag.
by TheMattWilke on Dec 19, 2007 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Betencourt
by cmathewson on Dec 19, 2007 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Being stationed out in Seattle...
Actually, to a large degree, Betancourt is the defender that many people think that Bartlett is--a guy who is below average because of his trouble with routine plays. The numbers support the assertion that Bartlett's range overcomes his mistakes, but that Betancourt's mistakes trump his range.
Nevertheless, Silva's biggest concern should be Richie Sexson. He's an absolute sieve on the right side of the infield. Between Beltre and Betancourt, the M's have a slightly above average left side of the infield.
by ubelmann on Dec 19, 2007 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya...
Crazy.
No matter though; they have grossly overpaid for 3/5 of their current starting rotation. And I do find that funny. I hate the Mariners, so it's rather comforting to me.
by djskilbr on Dec 19, 2007 1:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Strange...
Or something.
by ElseIf on Dec 19, 2007 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
by ElseIf on Dec 19, 2007 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Mariners
by cmathewson on Dec 19, 2007 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha...
Man, it must be painful for Mariners fans to know that you have the worst GM in baseball. And it is extremely difficult to have a GM worse than Jim Bowden. But Bavasi easily takes the cake at this point.
How does he still have a job?
by djskilbr on Dec 19, 2007 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What
Last time I checked, Jim Hendry still runs a baseball team, so this cannot be true...
by AdamOnFirst on Dec 19, 2007 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
by TheMattWilke on Dec 19, 2007 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom ten worst GMs
- Brian Sabean
- Bill Bavasi
- Kenny Williams
- Jim Bowden
- Ed Wade
- Jim Hendry
- Omar Minaya
- Michael Hill
- Jon Daniels
- Wayne Krivsky
by cmathewson on Dec 19, 2007 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
I mean, WOW!
Sabean at least has done some good things in the past, and he has drafted Cain/Lincecum. Plus he apparently had a very good draft this past year, for the first time in a while. My best friend is a Giants fan, and he keeps saying to me that he doesn't understand what happened to Sabean. He was very good up until about 4-5 years ago. I think we've both come to the conclusion that he's just become incredibly gunshy after the AJ trade.
I would also say some of the same things about Kenny. At least he has made some very good moves in the past. Now, not so much. My rankings would be something like this for worst:
- Bavasi
- Bowden
- Hendry (payroll)
- Sabean
- Wade (recent moves are really baffling)
- Williams
- Colletti
- Minaya
- Daniels
- Hill
by djskilbr on Dec 19, 2007 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Krivsky
by cmathewson on Dec 19, 2007 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bavasi...
I mean, Bavasi's still awful, quite possibly the worst, but it seems like an exaggeration to say that everything he's done was bad.
And Jim Bowden has made some good moves recently. Based solely on the Milledge trade, he ought to be considered better than Omar Minaya. Bowden also got Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez for essentially nothing, managed to dump a ton of Vidro's salary on Seattle, and took a gamble on Dimitri Young that paid off. I wouldn't go out and recommend that someone hire him, but I don't think he's the second-worst in the game right now.
by ubelmann on Dec 20, 2007 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair points ubelmann...
His pluses seem quite minor to me compared to the negatives.
As for Bowden, Kearns/Lopez haven't done much have they? Fair point on the Vidro dump (to Bavasi, why he's the worst to me). Dimitri paid off, but he also made a WORSE move by signing him. Especially when they have Nick Johnson. He could have had a fair prospect for Dimitri and sold him high. Keith Law does a good job at looking at this one. The Milledge trade was definitely good, but coupled with the Dukes trade, the jury is definitely out on that one. A scout at the winter meetings that I talked to (Seattle organization actually) was scared to death of the 2 of them together in Washington. I tend to agree. And then you have the Soriano fiasco. If the Twins' reported offer is true (Kubel/Baker/Slowey) then Bowden is REALLY a fool for not dealing him.
To me those are still the 2 worst GM's, but everyone on the list is pretty bad I guess so it's all semantics for us to rate them I guess.
by djskilbr on Dec 20, 2007 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree he's made some bad ones...
2) He's made more good ones though, IMO. Brandon Phillips, for instance. Arroyo. Actually kind of assembling a bullpen.
Don't know. I just don't think he rises to top 10 bad, that's all. Personally.
by djskilbr on Dec 19, 2007 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what about us resigning Silva . . .
I just wonder what if the Twins had tried to sign him to a 3 or 4 year extension? I was all for it because I thought 06 was just a bad year. I just wonder what they could have gotten him for? I bet at least half price if not even less. 3/15 or 4/20. Obviously it's in the past but seriously wouldn't that look good now? What a nice piece of trade bait if nothing else for teams desperate for pitching this year.
by halfchest on Dec 19, 2007 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Long contract before '07 season
Yes, he did resurrect his carreer by adding a splitter (and now he seems to have pulled a fast one on the Mariners...), but you have to realize that things were VERY different 12 months ago. Every GM would love a crystal ball, but the fact is that the Twins were probably too trusting of his abilities when they resigned him for 2007 in the first place.
by Flip27 on Dec 20, 2007 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With our
by AdamOnFirst on Dec 20, 2007 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That post
My post, not yours...
by AdamOnFirst on Dec 21, 2007 6:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sinkerballers
Slowey's a better option right now and he's cheaper and has more upside. Blackburn is not far behind.
With Duensing, Swarzak and Mullins knocking on the door, to go along with Masterson and Manship, the Twins will have little trouble filling out their rotation for the next four years with cheaper better pitchers.
by cmathewson on Dec 20, 2007 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
c
by doofus04 on Dec 20, 2007 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
by cmathewson on Dec 20, 2007 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look Out Landing
by GACTwinFan on Dec 20, 2007 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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