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Crain out, DePaula in

Crain headed to 15 day DL

Julio DePaula got the call.

Lots of people were offering up Crain as trade bait, along with Baker. Looks like that is definitely not happening anytime soon. I haven't seen/heard much about DePaula, but his numbers don't look all that bad. Obviously those might not translate to major league hitting, but here's hoping.

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That certainly makes sense considering all his struggles.  If this is only a minor thing, I'll actually be glad it happened.  he can get healthy and come back and be dependable again.

But generic "shoulder soreness" is always dubious for a pitcher, so I'm really crossing my fingers that this turns out okay.  I don't know hwy they don't do MRI's right away on things like this.  it isn't like it takes that long and it can be helpful to diagnose sooner...

Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on May 16, 2007 2:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that they...
...don't do them right away because they are not often helpful at the beginning stages of a shoulder injury.  Mark Prior's been pitching with shoulder problems for something like two years now, but they actually had to open him up to figure out just how bad it was.

by ubelmann on May 16, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still
It just seems silly that for all these injuries they just say "well, it's probably nothing."  there is so much money in these guys, you think they'd try and find out, even if they only learned anything for one out of four guys.
Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on May 16, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have the numbers here at work...
...but I believe I had DePaula as the #4 ranked pitcher in the system last year.  I know lots of you like to jump on my formula, but, he ranked very highly because he is just plain solid.  Should be a good addition, although, it may be a bit before his time as another couple months at AAA would be desirable.  I am guessing that if Ricky Barrett hadn't just come off the DL himself, he may have gotten the call.

by roger on May 16, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DePaula
He is not a strikeout pitcher, but he has a nice GB/FB ratio. So he should keep the ball in the park.  It should be fin to watch him.
Free Kevin Slowey.

by cmathewson on May 16, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barrett
In addition to him just getting off of the DL himself, he is also a LHP, whereas Crain was a RHP. So, they probably wanted to maintain the status quo in the bullpen, since Perkins looks to be staying there for now. (My guess, anyway.)
Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on May 16, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Injuries
I think Dr. Buss is too conservative, to some extent with running tests but to a greater extent with surgery.

Take last year. It was pretty clear to most observers that Liriano was headed for surgery. So the sooner you get him under the knife, the sooner you get him back. If he'd been cut on in August when the problem first showed up, he'd be available in September 2007 and the playoffs this year.

Or Kubel. Everyone knew Kubel was hurting last year. You could see it when he ran. But they didn't even give him an MRI until the season was over. If he gets cut on in August, he's 100% going into spring training. As it is, he's just getting up to 100% in May.

We saw it with Ford and Cirillo in spring training: They gave them both cortisone shots knowing that they had meniscus tears and hoping that would clear up the problem. Not getting in there right away, cleaning them up and getting them into rehab cost them at least a week of having healthy right-handed bats available to them. In Ford's case, I think it cost him nearly a month because he did more damage to it trying to run on it with a tear. Even Gardy went through the same rigmarole with his knee and finally got it cleaned out recently.

And this is not a recent trend: Eric Milton, Joe Mays,... If I had more time, I could think of a lot more cases. Who knows, if they cleaned up Radke's shoulder when it started hurting, he might have avoided shredding it altogether and he could still be pitching.

Free Kevin Slowey.

by cmathewson on May 16, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you...
I don't have the fullest confidence in our medical staff on diagnosing injuries originally, that's for sure.

by djskilbr on May 16, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dr. Buss
I actually visited Dr. Buss once because of some shoulders injuries I experienced in highschool football.  He is a very knowledgeable man and is obviously very highly regarded in his field.  I do agree with your statement that he is conservative.  We talked about me having surgery quite a bit, I completely got the sense that he wanted to avoid surgery it at all possible.  
Idk... just my two cents I guess.
break the 30 HR curse!... okay the 40 HR curse!!!!

by caseintheface on May 17, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It
It is usually better to avoid surgery, especially with things like this.  Surgery has risk and guarantees recovery time.  I just wish they'd do more MRI's and checks.
Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on May 17, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surgery
The Twins' philosophy, reflecting Dr. Buss', is that surgery is a last resort. I'm no orthopedist, but I don't think Buss' philosophy serves a professional sports teams all that well. When surgery can make or break a career, it doesn't often pay to be overly conservative, as my examples show. Name one Twins player who prolonged their career by not having surgery. Possibly Eddie Guardado (shoulder). Radke pitched as long as he possibly could without surgery, which ended up being a little more than a year. At 32, he could have been out two years and pitched another four or five.

And I'm not so sure it helps to avoid modern surgical techniques for ordinary folks like you and me. Years ago, my wife tore up her knee in gym class in college. The MRI showed an ACL tear and some meniscus damage. She was told that they only do ligament replacement surgery on athletes (meaning guys on the football team), so they just cleaned up the joint. She's never been the same since. Once a top tennis player, she's unable to play any sports that involve lateral movement. It's affected every aspect of physical activity and caused problems in both legs. When the success rate is so high and the technology is so advanced, why do they avoid surgery at all costs?

Free Kevin Slowey.

by cmathewson on May 17, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.....
So even if youa re willing to pay to have the coverage available, would ratehr not do surgery unless it has to deal with career expectations or soemthing?

I do wonder what some old-time player careers would have been like with the marvels of modern medicine in their corners?

 

Luver of Twins history, cards and the minor leagues.

by twintown on May 17, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure
where you guys are getting your info. Gladden just reported that Crain went in for an MRI earlier today.

by montanatwinsfan on May 16, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They
were referring to doing an MRI when Crain's shoulder problems first started, not after he is hurting so bad that he can't pitch.
Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on May 16, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes
Righthander Jesse Crain has a torn rotator cuff and a torn labrum and could be facing a lengthy stay on the disabled list.

The Twins are waiting until Crain gets a second opinion on his shoulder before announcing any plans for surgery. Crain was examined by Twins physician Dan Buss on Wednesday, when the diagnosis was made.

"Right now, we're waiting on other opinions on things," Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. "Jesse's been a very, very big part of our bullpen, one of the best, and ate up a lot of innings for us.

"Pitchers have injuries, and it's unfortunate that Jesse has one."

Crain, 1-2 with a 5.51 ERA in 18 games this season, told team trainers after his outing Tuesday that pain in his shoulder kept him from finishing off his pitches. Crain was shut down for a week last month because of tendinitis.

According to Gardenhire, the Twins medical staff said it appears Crain has had the injuries for some time but recently they worsened.

Twins players were stunned to learn Crain had such extensive injuries.

"You don't want to lose any of those guys," righthander Carlos Silva said. "We have one of the best bullpens in the league."

Crain entered the season with a career 19-10 record and a 2.95 ERA. The Twins rewarded him during spring training with a three-year deal worth $3.25 million.

"Obviously for our bullpen, it's a blow," Gardenhire said, "Some people are going to have to step up, but it's hard to replace a very good arm like that who eats up a lot of innings."

Matt Guerrier will assume Crain's setup role.

Mauer progresses

There's good and bad news here.

The good news is from Joe Mauer, who is eligible to come off the disabled list Sunday after treating a strained left quadriceps muscle.

"It's getting really good," Mauer said with a confident nod before heading out to swing off a tee.

The bad news comes from Gardenhire.

"With him supposed to come off Sunday, doubt it," Gardenhire said. "I don't think that's going to happen, and how much longer after that, we just have to wait until he gets going here."

The swelling in Mauer's left leg still needs to subside before he can step up his activities. Wednesday was only the second day Mauer hit off a tee. He spends most of the day rehabbing.

"It's bleeding and we're trying to let it heal and dry up," Gardenhire said. "They are doing all kinds of treatments on it, but he's not straining it anymore, so it's healing. That's the whole theory behind the thing. That's why he's not doing much of anything."

-startribune.com

Kind of a double whammy there eh? Guerrier should do okay I think, but why not Neshek? I <3 Neshek.

Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on May 17, 2007 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See?
"According to Gardenhire, the Twins medical staff said it appears Crain has had the injuries for some time but recently they worsened."

That's exactly what we were talking about.  Why wasn't this discovered sooner?  Why didn't they take a look?

Also, did Mauer have any kind of MRI or scan?  Has he received any care other than "rest" at all?

Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on May 17, 2007 2:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Mauer
"He's a catcher and squatting a lot, so we have to let this thing calm down," Gardenhire said. "He's been fighting it and trying to play through it. Now, it's just time to let it get better. There is some swelling in there and we have to protect that young man. We need him down the road."

Mauer was leading the team with a .353 batting average through the first 28 games. The team called up catcher Chris Heintz from Triple-A Rochester to split time behind the plate with Mike Redmond while Mauer rests.
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That was pretty much all I could find on it. Looks like just rest for him. He did have an initial MRI to diagnose the injury:

"Mauer had an MRI of his left leg this morning [May 6] that confirmed the injury. There's a lump in his leg, plus a little bleeding. There's a chance that 15 days won't be enough, although the Twins are crossing their fingers."

Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on May 17, 2007 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok
Ok good, he had the MRI.  That's all I ask...
Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on May 17, 2007 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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