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Wholly Hell

A friend of mine just sent me this link...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/08/offerman_goes_o.html

I will say little besides...umm...damn.

I am curious to hear your collective comments.

Talk about something you don't see every day.

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Wow
I hope he gets jail time.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 15, 2007 12:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Mr. Lebowski, this is Fred Dynarski
with the Southern Cal Bowling League. I just got a, an informal report, uh, that a uh, a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play...
"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Aug 15, 2007 12:33 PM EDT   0 recs

What was the manager thinking?
Why is hitting right-handed?  Everyone knows he can only hit righties!

But yeah, that's really awful.  Was there any history that could have seen this coming?  

by TheMattWilke on Aug 15, 2007 12:34 PM EDT   0 recs

No way to know
Even if they had seen warning signs of an outburst, they had no reason to believe that he would actually make contact with the swing.

by eahnpurato on Aug 15, 2007 12:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

While Offerman was clearly over the line...
...I have little time for pitchers who throw at hitters because they hit a home run in the previous at-bat.  Without having seen the pitch, it's tough to judge his intent, but the umpire did toss the pitcher from the game because he felt that he was throwing at Offerman.

Honestly, I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.  This pitch wasn't up-and-in, but those pitches can end a guy's life (or just his career as we saw with Puckett) just as easily as a swing with bat can, and there are plenty of short-tempered guys around the league.

by ubelmann on Aug 15, 2007 1:36 PM EDT   0 recs

When AJ
used to play here, there were times I expected him to stand up from behind the plate and just cold cock the umpire.  He's got a bit of a firey streak.

And if the pitcher was throwing at Offerman because he hit a homer the previous at-bat, then he's a poor sport.  But Offerman has earned himself the Douche of the Month Award in my book.

by Jesse on Aug 15, 2007 2:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What?
The pitch hit him in the back of the leg.

In the FIRST INNING.

Maybe the pitcher was throwing behind him, but c'mon.

by Neil on Aug 15, 2007 2:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yahoo news misreported, sorry
Yahoo said he was hit in the first inning.  Reading the Boston.com article, it shows me that he hit his HOME RUN in the first.  Sorry.

Still though.  Back of the leg.

by Neil on Aug 15, 2007 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I said specifically that...
...Offerman was clearly out of line.

My point is about the situation in general.  I'm surprised more hitters don't overract when the pitcher throws up and in.

by ubelmann on Aug 15, 2007 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, yes.
I agree.  I imagine it takes a lot of restraint to not react violently to an intentional beanball.

by Neil on Aug 15, 2007 5:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It was glaucoma
>pitch wasn't up-and-in, but those pitches can end a guy's life (or just his career as we saw with Puckett)

Puckett came back from the beaning to play, and there is no medical evidence to suggest that beaning precipitated his subsequent glaucoma, which is a prevalent disease in young, black men, particularly those with hypertension.

"Man, the past is a long and twisty road." -- Satchel Paige.

by Firpo Marberry on Aug 20, 2007 6:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

intentionally throwing at a batter
should be assault too. maybe it's less subtle than charging the mound, but slowly poisoning your wife's martinis over the course of six months is even subtler.

either keep the penalties inside the game or apply the law evenly, I say

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Aug 15, 2007 2:48 PM EDT   0 recs

less subtle = more subtle
"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Aug 15, 2007 2:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

More subtle
Very rarely is it obvious when a pitcher is trying to hit a batter. Usually when he is, it ends up in the middle of the back. Pitchers need to pitch inside to be effective. Sometimes those pitches get away from them. They should get the benefit of the doubt when they do. Since it is practically impossible to tell when a pitcher intentionally hit a batter, it cannot be considered assault.

On the other hand, when a guy rushes the mound, bat in hand, he intends to hit the pitcher--beyond reasonable doubt.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 15, 2007 3:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's a good point
but we know throwing at batters is enough of a problem that the league has instituted zero tolerance policies surrounding it. So even if you can't prove it in court, assaults with what is a essentially a deadly weapon are take place in ballgames almost on a daily basis.

Not to defend what Offerman did--it seems particularly intense and crazy--but I'm just thinking, maybe you can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in court but you could use it as a defense for charging the mound...

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Aug 15, 2007 6:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN's Report
I heard on ESPN that Offerman was hit with a slider on the back of the leg, after the pitcher had already delivered a strike in the at-bat.  The pitcher's manager stated that the pitch was not intentionally thrown at Offerman.  So, at least according to a couple of sources (albeit potentially biased), it doesn't sound like the pitcher was retaliating for Offerman's home run.

by MauerPower on Aug 15, 2007 2:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Random question
Why is that I've never seen a pitcher make a motion of remorse if a pitch gets away?  Is it to cover for when they actually intentionally go for someone?  

I'm talking about just making a patting of the chest or holding hands out to say "my bad".  

by TheMattWilke on Aug 15, 2007 3:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Cavemen
Because when you peel away this veneer of civilization we are still animals, and nobody wants to show weakness.  Or at least that is what your average evolutionary psychologist would argue.

by wcooley on Aug 15, 2007 4:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re:
But if you do something that was an accident yet it might be considered attempted murder, isn't it a natural reaction to say "Whoopsies!"?

by TheMattWilke on Aug 15, 2007 4:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Whoopsies"?
If one said "Whoopsies" on the field he would probably have his manhood privleges suspended for at least a year.

by wcooley on Aug 15, 2007 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The big question here is
how did Offerman manage to hit a homerun?
Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on Aug 15, 2007 4:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow
Calm down there Harry. And thank goodness for Google, or I would have been totally lost there.
Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on Aug 15, 2007 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's hilarious.
I think Offerman would be a Hufflepuff.

by Neil on Aug 15, 2007 8:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No
Slitherin OBVIOUSLY.  Hufflepuffs are supposed to be friendly!

Roid Rage Baby!

Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on Aug 15, 2007 10:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You guys
know far too much about Harry Potter. ;p
Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on Aug 16, 2007 4:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably true.
I just like saying "Offerman-Hufflepuff."

by Neil on Aug 16, 2007 8:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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