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The Lost Year

Well, it seems as if the Twins will not be able to pull off a winning season in 2007 at the end of it all. The Twins turned out to be an extremely mediocre team.

The year started on a relatively strange note. The Twins management rolled the dice on two washed-up veterans again, while keeping one washed-up veteran around for another season. That's okay; Gardy loves veterans, and he can get the most out of them. I could go on and on about how the money could have been invested in a qualitatively better option, but that horse has been beaten into oblivion.

The offense seemed offensively challenged right from the start. I was lambasted in early blogs because I complained that the Twins did little to alter their lineup from the previous year. Neverhtheless, I still had plenty of hope. Early successes belied much deeper problems, which surfaced early on and then dominated after the All Star break. And, in any case, this is another horse corpse to hurdle, so I'll stop there.

Amazingly there was still some hope; despite the hitting woes of the Twins, Detroit and Cleveland's dog days' performances found the Twins just a handful of games back. The Twins would make a deal--a deal that would vault them back into the race. They had an ace up their sleeve, and fans could smell a division busting deal coming down the pike. They got their deal--this is the Twins afterall--as they dumped Castillo and Cirillo to save a little "hard-earned" cash. The Pohlads are....okay, I won't even go there.

After the deals, Hunter and Santana complained. A lot of folks said they were whiners (this confirmed to many that they were indeed whiners because they also failed to accept the Twins paltry offers for multi-year deals--see C. Pohlad reference above). The arguments were furiously flying online. Some folks said that professionals ought to shut-up, put their jerseys on and play. Others said that when the management at any workplace treats seniors like garbage, the seniors have a right to express their feelings. This seems like a legitimate argument, but that might lead to all kinds of heated debate, so I'll just drop the subject.

Then of course there was the ever present Mother of All Discussions: What's the deal with Nick Punto. Nick-the-one-hit-wonder (2006), found himself transmogrified back into the hitter that many of us thought he actually was. In 2006 Nick Punto was a decent player, with decent defense and was known for his constant hustle. In 2007, Nick Punto was the worst hitter in baseball, who failed to execute even fundamental baseball but who was rewarded with starting practically every game. Why? He was suddenly the greatest defender to ever put on a baseball uniform. He was Brooks Robinson without the hitting (really, I swear he was compared to Brooks). I better stop, before I say more. Otherwise...

What I really want to say is that this year could have been much better. Those are sour grapes to be sure, but I really think so. This club had won the division in 2006 because of the players' abilities and they had most of those players back. They really needed to make some alterations to the lineup and they didn't and that really hurt the Twins, but there is a deeper problem that gets often gets ignored because the Twins have won division titles--the Gardenhire problem. Just the mention of this probably infuriates a good portion of the bloggers that are reading this. I am sorry, but I think you are wrong defending Gardy.

Gardy may have some admirable characteristics and there are probably some things that he does very well. I think that he creates a relaxed atmosphere--for veterans, even those who can't perform. Nonetheless, the Twins did not play fundamentally sound baseball under these relaxed guidelines. That's the players' faults, right? Well, not exactly. Fundamental baseball starts with the way the team is managed--right out of spring training. You can say a lot of bad things about Tom Kelly over his final years, but one thing you could not say is that his teams played fundamentally poor baseball.

Another point that has been somewhat belabored but cannot be ignored is that Gardy treats veterans differently than nubies. There is nothing wrong with this on the surface, veterans don't need the same kind of admonishing as younger players, but there is this issue of blame, which seems far too often to raise its ugly head in the media of all places. Nubies get blamed for all the Twins' woes and veterans are inevitably given a pass because they are, "...battling their tails off."

I remember (way, way back there) when the Twins had a rookie pitcher named Hughes. (Stay with me here; I do have a point.) He threw a palmball at the exclusion of all other pitches. He really didn't have much else; it was just the palmball. He started out an amazing 6-0! The problem was that the palmball wasn't like a knuckler; a palmball, which is thrown fairly slowly, makes a very predictable movement. The second time around, when other teams saw the palmball, they ripped it. Hughes didn't get out of the first inning in his second start against Boston. Why am I wasting time talking about Hughes? Because Gardy's management style is mindful of Hughes' pitching style. He offers very little variety in his approach because at one point in time the system he had employed worked. He doesn't alter his approach to meet the demands of what is required for success. If anyone has doubts, think back to how long Nick Punto remained at the top of the order despite his inability to get the job done. This is just one example.

I always believe that the players are the ones who wins divisions. Sometimes poorly managed teams win their division despite poor management. This is what the Twins have been in the past. Nevertheless, in the playoffs, management skills always have an effect. In 1987, the Twins were the least talented team in the playoffs, and they won the World Series. In 2004, the Twins were the most talented team in the playoffs (IMHO), and they were unceremoniously dumped from the first round of the playoffs, winning one game against a very average Yankees team.

I was never a fan of Gardy; from day one, I didn't like the way he managed the team. I thought and I still do that he was a big step down from Tom Kelly, but I am a fan of the Twins, so I have to say I often feel conflicted--hoping the Twins have success and still hoping that the team gets rid of Gardy. I now feel that the Twins are starting down a road where neither of these things will happen. Tom Kelly's stamp is slowly fading from view as players who were tutored under Kelly slowly fade into history; the team is really becoming a Gardenhire team. We'll see how it goes, but I cannot honestly say I am optimistic.

I could stay annoyed, but I guess in my heart of hearts, I know that I will be online checking how the Twins are looking right from spring training, and hoping that something has changed and it has affected Gardy's style. I guess that the old saying, "Hope springs eternal," describes me as well as a lot of us Twins fans. I actually look forward to eating crow! I want to be able to console myself with these words again at some time next year, "We're gonna win Twins. We're gonna score. We're gonna win Twins. Watch that baseball soar. Crack-out a home-run. Shout a hip-hooray. Cheer for the Minnesota Twins, today!"

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Excellent post...
I agree with every word.  

Gardy frightens me.  He is quite simply an atrocious manager; there's just no other way to say it.  The fact that Nick Punto, with the year he's had, made it to 500 ab's this year is unforgivable.  And it's not like the guy did the "little things" well most of the year either.

by djskilbr on Sep 26, 2007 2:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leaders
This team is already lacking leaders on the field with Redmond riding the bench, Torii looking forward to who's the money coming from and Santana worried about losing his best friend.  Mauer's too quiet and Morneau isn't doing well so it would be phony to push others.  With all those guys out of the picture, Gardy has failed to lead this team anywhere.  Just like he failed to lead them in the playoffs last year and in the playoffs in any year for that matter.  Don't expect a series in this town with this man at the helm, because if it did happen it would be despite his poor leadership and a monumental accomplishment by the players.
P.S. if Kelly Theiser reports again that a pitcher had a bad start because he didn't keep the ball down, I might have to kill myself.

by caseintheface on Sep 26, 2007 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hold on there
I'm not a big fan of Gardenhire, either, but I don't get how you can pin the playoff failures so strongly on him, especially last year, when they basically lost because they stopped hitting, not because of any strategic error.  Was Gardy supposed to sprinkle the team's bats with magic fairy dust to make them hit in the playoffs, or use the Force to guide that fly ball into Torii's glove instead of letting it roll to the wall?  There's only so much a manager can do, and if a team can't score more than seven runs in three games, all the leadership in the world doesn't make much difference.

by BeefMaster on Sep 26, 2007 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gardy
Is not a manager who inspires any sort of leadership.  Yes they stopped hitting but nothing he did help inspire the team to step up or motivate them to do better (unless you consider threatening  to send players to the bench or the minors good motivational skills).  And if I remember right there were some failed strategies too, for example having Tyner as a DH?
P.S. if Kelly Theiser reports again that a pitcher had a bad start because he didn't keep the ball down, I might have to kill myself.

by caseintheface on Sep 26, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously
I think you're really overestimating the powers of a major league manager.  The Twins hit just fine the whole last half of 2006, including a bunch of pressure-packed games in which they were fighting for a playoff spot.  Now, suddenly, they need extra motivation to perform in the playoffs?  I don't buy it at all.  In fact, I can't even think of a concrete example of something he could do to motivate the team.

Tyner had been DHing off and on during the entire pennant race, so while it was a bit odd, perhaps, it's not like that was the sole cause of the Twins' misfortunes - they didn't score any more runs in the game that Nevin was the DH, and if they'd put White at DH, Tyner would've started in left field anyway.

by BeefMaster on Sep 26, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Few Words
2004.

That is all.

Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on Sep 28, 2007 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably, yeah
I assume here that you're referring to the infamous "Three Innings For Nathan"/"Kubel Vs. Mariano" game, and it's probably true that Gardy mismanaged that one.  Still, though, that's one real screwup game in five playoff series, coming in a series the Twins lost by two games anyway.

Anyway, the post I was responding to was referring to the team's poor performance in the playoffs being caused by failures of leadership, which I find absurd, particularly this quote:

Gardy has failed to lead this team anywhere.  Just like he failed to lead them in the playoffs last year and in the playoffs in any year for that matter.

I can certainly see disliking Gardenhire on the basis of strategy, both big-picture (playing Punto all the time) and little-picture (the 2004 playoffs).  What I don't get is the nebulous "he's a poor leader" accusation, which is never ever backed up with anything approaching facts - it's always stuff like "He should have inspired them in the playoffs!"  as though major league baseball players need some sort of extra inspiration to perform in the postseason.

by BeefMaster on Sep 28, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While
While I'd take issue with the idea that his strategic failings in the playoffs were limited to only that one game...

"I can certainly see disliking Gardenhire on the basis of strategy, both big-picture (playing Punto all the time) and little-picture (the 2004 playoffs).  What I don't get is the nebulous "he's a poor leader" accusation, which is never ever backed up with anything approaching facts"

... I'm totally cool with that quote and in relative agreement with it.

Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on Sep 29, 2007 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leadership shmeadership
The manager's job is not to play rah rah or motivate. The manager's job is to put the best available players in the right roles, and to make sure his coaches have prepared them for the situations and roles he gives them.

IMHO, Gardenhire is a poor judge of talent. He seems to only take effort and experience into account, rather than ability. In this sport, ability plays a more important role in success than effort or experience.

He's been blessed with a roster of guys who had enough ability to help him win despite his strange habits of benching players with more ability than the guys he plays. But as the roster has turned over, he's struggled, and the experienced guys who "bust their tails" everyday are not winning ballgames for him.

A manager is only as good as his players. But a manager can get the most out of his players and steal a win once in a while. Gardy does neither, which leads to underachieving teams.

My biggest complaint is that he seems really ill suited to an organization that turns over its roster every six years. We can only speculate on how much earlier the current core group would have gotten acclimated to the majors with a different manager. But it's safe to say, some managers would do a better job of breaking kids in.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 1, 2007 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfectly said...
I just wish he'd adopt Leyland's simply philosophy:

"YOU CAN'T TEACH TALENT!"

Really, Leyland or Cox would be the perfect fit for this club.  Pisses me off.

by djskilbr on Oct 1, 2007 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See
See I pretty much agree with a lot of that too, but just saying leadership isn't important doesn't mean Gardenhire is a bad leader.

I actually do think leadership is a part of the job.  I think Gardenhire is decent at it.  He was great with the earlier players, but he hasn't adapted well to the new ones, and I'd say he's just ok now.

As far as lineups, he's a disaster, and for in game strategy, he's a lot of up and down, but I've seen him get way our managed in a lot of close spots.

Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on Oct 2, 2007 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Line-up construction
I'm troubled by the line-ups he throws on the field...consistently. The L-R-L-R crapola he praises.

And when he does shake things up, it's too late.

Hunter batting sixth? Okay, he doesn't do better elsewhere, or so it seems.

Maybe Mauer isn't the perfect #3 hitter...anymore...Kubel perhaps?

But batting Punto second for more than half-the-season. Yes, Bartlett was lighting up the baseball world. Kubel was passe. Mauer didn't work in the two-slot.

Not sure what the true answer is, but seems he would love to field teams of also-rans when the best is pitching....Rodriguez, White and Garrett Jones when Santana is on the mound -- give the guy a chance to win, please.

Brings abck memories of afternoons spent at the Dome (Denny Hocking Day) when the B-squad would always find line-up spots. Nice to rest the A-team, but this is something they signed up for.

In Gardy's defense, he works with what he has and something has gotten screwed up with the Twins organization offensively, in which you have a team that has too many players that are alike (Tyner, Castillo, Bartlett, Punto, maybe add in Ford and Kubel).

If you carry 4-5 outfielders, one needs speed/defense, one needs to pack a punch but not have much range, two others need to be in the 15-20 homer range at least, and the otehr should be the best all-around player on the team.

In the infield, if you are going to have a weak bat at second, you have to have some more punch at short and a lot of punch at third, with the extra guy being a fielding gem at all three positions and, if nothing else, a decent bunter or someone who puts the ball in play rather than strikes out.

For the leadoff position, you need someone to take at least 5-6 pitches if not more, followed by someone who has the ability to put the ball in play (Castillo is actually a better #2 hitter if you have a decent leadoff guy who threatens to steal bases).

Back to Gardy. Seems to delegate well and handle the actual player work over to his coaches, something Tom Kelly did a lot of, too. Does Gardy get as frustrated as Kelly when players screw up? Yes. Kelly liked watching baseball, studying players not only from their natural talent, but how they play the game and act-out in general. Basically, you are playing a game of fun, but you do have to come to work and work everyday...not just be glad for the overinflated paycheck.

Maybe it is the players. They don't hit-and-run, they don't advance that runner home with one out and a man on third. The pitchers get frazzled when they made a mistake. At one point, he's mad at the youngsters for screwing up, the next week he praises Matt Garza for getting out of jams (albeit with too many pitchers) and calling losing your head on the mound a young pitchers mistake that they have to go thru and build upon and not do again.

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by twintown on Oct 3, 2007 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2007
A realistic season after everyone overachieved in 2006.

Punto. Take him out of the 2-spot and give those extra 100 at-bats to Kubel, and maybe you have 20 more hits.

Is this the Gardy-era? Well, except for the fact that he (like Tom Kelly) likes the underdog guys that have paid their dues (compared to the naturally talented rookies, or so it might seem) deals with the media better than Kelly, and listens to his coaches. If anything, this has become the Rick Anderson-era (combined with good solid managing in the minors system) and last year was the beginning of the Joe Vavra-era (comapred to the Ullger days...or the Tom Kelly days of Such).

The bigger problem is partly to blame from the front office. Sitting there with $10 million to spend and deciding to go with one guy (Thomas in 2006, Piazza, maybe, in 2007) the powers-that-be wait until there's little left on the shelf and then hurries to spend the $$$ (can't keep them for mid-season pickups or roll them over to 2008) and picks the cans that are dented or the boxes that have crushed pieces in them.

The Twins have money in 2008. Hunter gone, that's big bucks. No Silva. That's a great savings. Cut loose Castillo's $5. Whew. No Rondell, Ortiz, Ponson just for starters. Do you keep Lew Ford's million? Juan Rincon's $2 million. Getting a lot of cash flow here, guys, even after raises to all and some. Throw in at least a $5 million payroll raise (amybe $10 million -- can we dream).

3B, DH, CF -- need vast improvements. Can we afford Casilla to learn at second base? Yes, if we don't have Denard learning in centerfield. Can Denard learn in center if Punto is at second? Don't think so - Nick is the back-up guy and will be well-paid for that role.

Trades should happen. The minors are deep in pitching (do we need Rainville, Waldrop, Mullins, Duening in the wings for 2009-2010 with folks like Manship, Bromberg and the A-ball ilk knocking on the 2010-2011 doors, plus a full contingent of young starters already here: Garza, Boof, Slowey, Baker, Liriano plus Blackburn, Slowey and that aged veteran to throw long-relief or be the #5 guy).

The Twins also need a bench. That's an area of deep discussion. That's wehre you spend money on third-rate veterans who can play significant roles. Not as the starting nine.

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by twintown on Sep 26, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with that "saved" money...
is that this offseason FA class is ATROCIOUS at our biggest positions of need, 3b and DH.  I don't see us paying THAT much for Mike Lowell at 3b, and other than that the only real option for a DH (healthy one at least) is Piazza, and even HE's not all that healthy.  We HAVE to trade for those 2 positions if we're going to upgrade them.  Which to me, makes it all the more imperative to re-sign Torii with the money that we do save, or at least a fairly comparable replacement (see: Rowand or Cameron).

by djskilbr on Sep 27, 2007 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't hold up Kelly as a Saint...
....but we need a new manager as much as a new GM.

Any closed system is doomed to failure.

by MNPundit on Sep 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kelly's not a saint
I don't consider Kelly a saint, but I do think that he brought a certain kind of respectability to managing. I know that he favored his veteran players and often let his thoughts wander back to the glory days of the Twins when comparing the players he had in the mid and late 90s to the ones he had in the late 80s and early 90s, but I always felt there was a certain level of dignity that was maintained.

I also admit that he wanted to hang on to coaches that were obviously past their primes, but I see no difference in Gardy in that regard (and besides it seems that those kinds of decisions have a lot more to do with upper management than is probably given creedence, so it is difficult to decide who to pins such decisions on).

by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Sep 28, 2007 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches past their prime......
Dick Such? He's still coaching. Wayne Terwilliger? He's still coaching.

Should the Twins cut loose Stele? Repalce him with Matt LeCroy?

The Twins let Newman walk.

Current coaches aren't all that bad...good company for Gardy. What is a bench coach (Steve Liddle). White and Ullger are the base coaches. Can anyone do these jobs?

Vavra seems to work hard as the hitting coach, in conjunction with the other staff (Oliva, Molitor et al).

Know one can fault Rick Anderson.

Do the Twins promote the Cliburns? Bring in Jake Mauer? Have Jim Dwyer be the hitting coach?

The amazing thing about coaches and managers in baseball is that they have to work (and instruct and tell off) guys who make sooooooo much more money than they do. How many businesses have employees making more than their supervisors?

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by twintown on Sep 29, 2007 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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