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Is Jason Pridie an Option in Center?

The Pioneer Press printed the obvious:  that he'll have an opportunity to compete for the job.  Beyond that standard lip service, is he good enough?

Jason Pridie is coming off what to this point has been a career year.  In AA Montgomery and AAA Durham for the Rays in 2007, he tallied 32 doubles, 11 triples and 14 home runs in 576 plate appearances.  A .303/.352/.487 batting average between the two minor league levels just tells the beginning of the story, as Pridie flashed the most power he's shown since A-ball, and was a solid all-around player.  He's on the verge of breaking into the major leagues.

There's some question as to whether or not Jason can build on the momentum of last summer's campaign.  A knee injury truncated his 2005, and his poor statistical showing in the summer of '06 can at least partially be attributed to the knee's rehabilitation.  In spite of those two years, offset by his stellar-by-comparison '07, Pridie's minor league line isn't that of a budding superstar.  It isn't bad, but it doesn't profile him as a starter.

  AB    H   2B  3B  HR   BB   SO   Avg   Obp   Slg
2442  682  115  48  54  164  482  .279  .327  .432

We'll get into his extended offensive statistics in a moment, but just by looking here you can see he doesn't draw many walks.  He did strike out less in 2007, but the body of work says he strikes out far too often for how often he earns a free pass.  For a player with a history of little power, this is a bad sign.

Plate Discipline

Let's take a brief glance at Pridie's extended minor league statistics from the last handful of seasons.  It becomes easier to see how he managed a better year at the plate in '07.

Age  Year   BB%   SO%   ISO  BABIP
 21  2005   7.7  27.9  .181   .274
 22  2006   6.2  18.5  .074   .279
 23  2007   5.0  15.0  .151   .335
 23  2007   8.7  17.1  .221   .362

In his injury-shortened 2005 and his poor 2006, compared to his successful 2007, there are two trends in the four categories I chose:  higher strikeout rates and a lower batting average on balls in play.  BABIP has a lot to do with luck, in addition to defensive positioning, capabilities of the defender, but he was able to sustain those numbers throghout the year.

For his career, Pridie has never been one to work a base on balls.  This is unfortunate because he could be a far more valuable offensive player if he were to get those numbers up.  So walk rates remain pretty low, although his stint in AAA (8.7 BB% versus 17.1 SO%) really isn't awful and, optimistically, could be a hint at a new trend.  His sustained power last summer is something new as well.

Power

Pridie is quick, which means that when he hits a ball down the line or into the gap it isn't a problem for him to leg out a double.  But his power numbers from last summer (.221 ISO, .539 SLG in AAA) are surprising.  Not since his first season in Tampa's system has he shown the ability to command the dish with the type of strength he displayed in '07.

Higher line drive percentages (22% and 17%) helped; hitting the ball harder over the course of an entire year is a positive sign.  While there could certainly be some luck involved here as well, when it's done repeatedly luck's margin for error decreases and eventually you are left with some measure of ability.  Essentially I believe that while Pridie isn't as good as his 2007 numbers, he's probably improved at the plate, and his knee is definitely healthy.

In the Field

With plus speed, Pridie has the tools to make his range adequate in center field.  But like Tyner, there's still the matter of how he plays center in the Dome; speed can make up for bad positioning or bad jumps, but it's not going to be easy filling 48's shoes.  How comfortable he looks in center could go a long way in how much time he gets with the Twins, if an outside option isn't brought in.

Arm strength isn't too much of a concern either.  It's another tool that's considered average to above-average, although it's not clear which outfield position this statement was in regards to.  Most reports say Pridie's arm can handle any outfield position, but I'm curious to know if he's only a "plus arm" in certain fields.  I believe that Pridie's playing time will be leveraged against his defense, so unless he tears the cover off the ball in spring training, he'll probably ride the bench if he doesn't show off some outstanding talent in the field.  At least, he'll ride the bench until Craig Monroe reminds Twins management that he's not a center fielder.

Conclusions

After the 2004 minor league season, when Jason Pridie hit .276/.327/.470 with 27 doubles, 11 triples and 17 home runs, an old Rays blog stated "He's a talented hitter with no earthly idea of what the strikezone is and why drawing walks is a good thing. He now has 92 career walks in 1,362 at bats...Double that walk rate, and he's a premium run producer."  Ignoring the fact that if you double everyone's walk rates they'll improve dramatically in how effective they are at the plate, at that point in time it was true.  Pridie had a stroke and was only 20-years old, he just had the same problem he still has:  plate discipline.

Right now it's easy to peg Jason Pridie as a long-term reserve outfielder, a fourth man who can play all three positions and does nothing poorly and nothing exceptionally.  This is what is most likely, based on how Pridie profiles.  But he didn't look too bad coming out of '04, so what if the injury of '05 was just a derailment and the '07 version of our new outfield prospect is closer to the real thing than the total of his minor league line of .279/.327/.432?  There's a huge hole in his strike zone judgement, but that's always been there.  Is it possible that Pridie could be better than a replacement level center fielder?

It is possible.  While I believe it to be well within the realm of reality, there is still the fact that his weakness is still what it's always been.  In spite of this weakness, I believe it's Jason's defense that will win or lose him his spot with the Twins when they break camp this spring.  If he impresses with his defensive ability, he'll make the trip north.  If not, flip a coin.

I'll leave you with a quote from John Manuel, in a 2004 chat for Baseball America:

"Pridie is more well-rounded and a guy I like better; scouts have compared him to Steve Finley to me for his swing, fly-catching ability in CF and developing power. Pridie's five-tool ability (and he's really average or above in all five tools) will only play at the big league level, though, if he gets more disciplined at the plate."

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Interesting information. I hadn't read any of it.

Partly, I think I have a bad sense of how minor league numbers project to major league numbers, but here is my reaction to reading that review.

Pridie basically gets .050 from his walks (the difference between OBP and BA). This equates to about 6-7% (it isn't 5% because OBP and BA have different denominators). Looking at the Twins stats from last year (200+ atbats):
Torii - .047
Morneau - .072
Cuddyer - .080
Bartlett - .074
Punto - .081
Kubel - .062
Mauer - .089
Castillo - .052
Tyner - .045
Redmond - .048

Compared to this list, Pridie doesn't look great, but he beats out Torii, Castillo, Tyner and Redmond. These guys were all regulars for the Twins. Pridie shows more power than the last three, and similar or better BA to Hunter. I would certainly hope for growth from Pridie, but if in 400-500 at batss he put up something between his long term average and his most recent year, say .290/.340/.455 with 12 home runs, 25-30 doubles, then I wouldn't want to start trading our CF prospects, but I'd be more than comfortable with him as an adequate everyday center fielder. Especially for $400k. That's about what Mike Cameron would give us (with a few more HR), for $millions more.

Also, regarding the BABIP stat, could that have to do the improvement in his knee leading to better speed?

by snolls on Jan 3, 2008 9:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It could
help him to leg out some infield singles.  It's certainly plausible that it helped a little, at least.

by Jesse on Jan 3, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda like Kubel?
What was his knee injury?  Was it something like kubel's where he took a full year and a half to get back to "normal" and we can hope that Pridie will continue to grow in the way Kubel has?

by Chaddens on Jan 3, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis
One point about BABIP: I'm not sold on this stat as a measure of luck. Yes, it correlates to the opposition's defense, but it's a lot easier to defense a guy who hits a lot of weak grounders and lazy fly balls. I'm interested correlating BABIP with line drive percentage (LD%). As you might imagine, there is a correlation between BABIP and LD%.

If a guy has a relatively high LD% and a relatively low BABIP, he's probably hit a lot of balls right at people, which is the luck factor we're trying to get at. Kubel, for example, had a high LD% and a low BABIP in the first half of last year, indicating that he was really unlucky. In the second half of the year, he had much better luck, and his numbers showed it.

Unfortunately, I can't find LD% on minor league players. But it's a good bet that Pridie had a strong LD% last year, based on his ISO. The bottom line is, perhaps his BABIP was due more to a higher LD% than to poor defense against. There's also park factors to consider (Durham is an extreme hitters' park), so that might play a role as well.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 3, 2008 10:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

www.firstinning.com
This site gives LD% on minor league players in the last couple of years, but it doesn't go back too far.

by Jesse on Jan 3, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, so Pridie was somewhat lucky last year
At AA Montgomery, he had a LD% of 22%, which is pretty good. That correlates to a BABIP of .335 and an average of .290. I would say he had average luck in AA.

At Durham in AAA, he had a LD% of 17% with a BABIP of .362 and a BA of .318. That indicates that he was very lucky when he moved to AAA. His LD% went down to just average while his BABIP went up to well above average.

I think we can eliminate park factors, though. He was consistent home and away. The only non-standard deviation suggests that he hit the ball harder away. His SLG was 556 away and 521 at home. That is balanced out by a .396 home OBP versus a .353 away OBP. The OBP differences were almost entirely due to a better walk rate at home (11.9%) versus away (5.7%).

The real consideration is whether he turned a corner in 2007 in his third year in AA, or whether his 2007 is an anomaly. Here I think we can glean some insight from the GB% and LB% numbers. In 2006 in AA, his LD% was 13% and his GB% was 59%. Those are Luis Castillo numbers, indicating he was chopping the ball.

In 2007 in AA, he had a LD% of 22% and a GB% of 42%. This profiles to much less of a chopper and much more of a driver. Those trends carried over into Durham, where he became more of a fly ball hitter with a GB% of 36 and a LD% of 17.

Averaging his AA and AAA LD and GB numbers, I would say it was not merely a fluke year. He really did make an adjustment. Whether that translates into 2008 is yet to be seen. But at least he's capable of consistently driving the ball, which is more than I can say for Denard Span--a pure chopper if I've ever seen one.

At any rate, I would be comfortable with him as the fourth outfielder. I don't think he'll start the year in competition with Span for the starting center field job. If I were a betting man, I would put a pay check down on Jacoby Ellsbury manning center on opening day 2008.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 3, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got Cabrera
How much do you want to bet?

by Old Twins Cap on Jan 3, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How much?
The best pitcher in baseball and any real shot at competing this year or next.  Unfortunately.

by Chaddens on Jan 3, 2008 8:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see that
If the Twins can get Ellsbury and a handful of prospects, they will have a complete team of position players for the first time since they let Ortiz go. If they get Cabrera, they'll be waiting until Revere to get put the complete team together. He won;t be ready until 2011.

They will likely not contend with this level of experience in the rotation, but they have 10 good arms, five of whom will be ready to take this complete team to the playoffs in 2009. They don't need Hughes to compete in 2009, though he would help them compete in 2008. But they need Ellsbury to contend in 2009 and beyond.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 3, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Jesse
Last night I contemplated getting back on the horse, and this was exactly the topic I wanted to explore.  But I passed and couldn't be happier that I did, because this was better than I would have done.

I'm glad you mentioned the BABIP numbers, which make me as happy as a kick in the groin.  I really want to believe that the Twins have something here more than a 4th OF, but there just isn't much to support that.  

by Twins Geek on Jan 3, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I was inspired after reading the Pioneer Press clip about how he'd have the opportunity to compete.  Highlight, delete "Jason Pridie", insert any other player...same story, printed a week later.

And I want to be optimistic about Pridie.  I think I included most of the positives that I could.  I just have a hard time seeing him develop anymore power, or improving is K:BB ratio.  Even if he was lucky last summer and his BABIP padded his offense, I do think he's shown he's developed to the point where he's ready to be a fourth OF.  But he does have a couple of things that can expose him, so until he shows me that he can continue to do in the majors what he did last year in the minors, I just need to see more.

I think that's moderately realistic...probably leaning toward optimistic.

by Jesse on Jan 3, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The story
I'm a fan of Phil Miller, so it may not come as a shock that I thought it was better than the average beat writer fare around here. It's not every article that quotes both Rotoworld and Aaron Gleeman in the same piece.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 3, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...
...it's not as bad as I made it out to be.  And if I'm fair the shot wasn't directed at Miller as much as it was directed at "management speak" and my disinterest in straight reporting as opposed to actually analysing what's being said or what's happening.  Miller's article was actually a good read, there were just certain elements that set me off.

by Jesse on Jan 3, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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