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2009 Starting Pitching Depth (Beyond Our Current Starters)

We all know who are starting 5 is going to be in 2009.  Now what will happen if one or more goes down to injury or terrible regression?  Who is ready to come in and replace them if it is needed?  This post will explain what some of the options are for 2009 and what order I could see it in.

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Brian Duensing

The first player I could see would be Brian Duensing.  Duensing has a 3.47 ERA, 6.52 K/9, and 2.21 BB/9 in 516.1 innings pitched in his minor league career.   In 2008, which was basically his 2nd year at AAA, he had a 4.28 ERA, 5 K/9, and 2.21 BB/9 in 24 games started.  He didn’t perform as well as he has track record has shown in his previous years.  Given his overall career numbers in the minors though, I still feel he might be the best bet to begin.  He will also be 26 next year and the Twins have to give him a shot some time soon.  If that spot opens in the rotation, I could see the Twins going to him first, baring if he starts out well. 

 

Kevin Mulvey

The next person I would like to see would be Kevin Mulvey.  Mulvey has a 3.36 ERA, 6.87 K/9, and 2.69 BB/9 in 321 innings pitched for his minor league career so far.  In his first full year at AAA, he had a 3.77 ERA, 7.36 K9, and 2.92 BB/9 in 27 games started which is fairly in line with his career minor league numbers.  He does need to get his walks down since he averaged nearly 3 free passes per 9 innings in 2008.  I believe Mulvey is better than Duensing overall, but Mulvey does need some more seasoning.  He also can afford it too since he is two years younger than Duensing.

 

Philip Humber

The next player I could see would be Philip Humber.  Humber has a 4.25 ERA, 7.86 K/9, and 2.81 BB/9 in 426 innings pitched during his minor league career.  In his second full year at AAA, Humber actually regressed from what he put up during his first time through in 2007.  His (ERA-K/9-BB/9) in AAA during 2007 was (4.27-7.77-2.85) and in 2008 was (4.56 -7-3.23).  Regressing when he’s this close to the majors is not a good thing, especially at the age of 26.  Humber did get the call for the majors in September because of his hot streak at the second half the season, but he only pitched 11.2 innings which isn’t a very good sample size to analyze.  But that also does mean he has some major league experience, which is important to have too.  Humber needs to work on lowering his ERA and walks and be more consistent.  In the end, Humber may wind up being a long relief guy.  Out of the four pitchers I’m talking about in this article, I believe Humber is the worst out of them all. 

 

Anthony Swarzak

The last player we could probably see in 2009 to start a game would be Anthony Swarzak, and that’s because he needs some more seasoning to make him a better pitcher overall.  Out of the four pitchers though, Swarzak has the highest upside out of them all.  He has a 3.60 ERA, 7.98 K/9, and 2.86 BB/9 in 592.2 innings pitch for his minor league career so far.  His 2008 season was very interesting, which most of you know about.  In New Britain he had a 5.67 ERA, 6.73 K/9, and a 3.28 BB/9 in 20 games started.  For some reason the Twins promoted him, and it ended up being an incredibly smart decision.  Swarzak finished 2008 with a 1.80 ERA, 5.2 K/9, and 2.8 BB/9 in 7 games started at Rochester.  What’s interesting is he had a worse K/9 and only a slightly better BB/9 in AAA compared to AA.  Swarzak needs to work on his consistency and getting his walk ratio down.  What could change everything though is if he starts out extremely hot and a pitcher is needed, he may actually be the one to come up.  But if he only has a consistent year, then he could most likely be the last.  What’s great is he’ll only be 23 next year. 

 

This isn’t meant to be a perfect prediction, but more of an outline of what the options are in 2009.  If one of these four comes in extremely hot at the beginning of 2009, that will probably trump them over everyone else.  Boof Bonser was left off this list because I don’t know if he’ll be with the Twins next year.  I hope in 2009 we won’t need any starting pitching replacements, but if we do, there are some players behind them that could possible pitch fairly well.  It’s very nice to have options and depth.  Also who knows, we could also end up seeing Jeff Manship, Ryan Mullins, Yohan Pino, or Jay Rainville, who all were in New Britain in 2008 at one point.

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Maybe we could trade some of our young pitching for a legitimate 3B.

or a dominate left fielder. I would like to Macri get a shot at SS.

by Beerbear on Oct 12, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea I agree, but with what Brian Buscher did this year, I also wouldn’t mind having him again. He’d also be cheaper without giving anyone up.

by hitormiss1414 on Oct 12, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a fan....

Buscher is a nice LH bench bat, but that’s about it. He doesn’t hit for enough power, and he’s a well below average fielder at 3b as well.

I pray that he gets no more than 100 ab’s with the Twins next year.

by DJSkillz on Oct 13, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buscher

I’m okay with Buscher, not as the full-time starter at third, but in a platoon. A Buscher/Harris platoon, for example, could be good for around an 800 OPS (Buscher was 799 against righties last year, and while Harris struggled against them last year, he has a career 800 OPS against lefties) – that would’ve been about 30 points above league average this year. I’m certainly not opposed to picking up an elite or semi-elite 3B in the offseason, but if the resources are redirected toward the middle infield, the Twins are not in bad shape at third base.

I agree with you that I’d like more power out of Buscher, but if he can keep getting on base against righties at a .360 clip, like he did this year, I’m okay with 300-400 PA of that in the 7 or 8 hole.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Oct 13, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitchers

A trade would be great. It is unfortunate that more teams don’t trade their minor league talent for other minor league talents. So many teams are in a similar position as the Twins, with players blocked, or a surplus at one position. I assume that the problem is that teams feel the have uneven information, but still, someone has to be willing to swap infielders for pitchers or CFs.

Anyway, I think that Humber gets the first shot. In fact, he probably starts the year in the bullpen. He throws hard enough, that I have hopes he will be a solid contibutor. If he looks good there, and gets some time with the coaches, maybe he’ll get a chance in the rotation.

by snolls on Oct 12, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You have a very good point on trading minor league talent for other minor league talent.

What was so interesting about the Young/Harris/Pridie for Garza/Bartlett/Morlan trade was they were all relatively young. Most times trades are done for strong, experience players in trade for young up and commers.

I think more teams should trade minor league talent for other minor league talent if the opportunity arises…it may be really beneficial for both teams.

by hitormiss1414 on Oct 13, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Humber

I agree. Also, he’s out of options, so it’s now or never.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 13, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd also add (to the end of this post)...

Shooter Hunt. We may see one of those meteoric rises out of him this year. Though of course it’s more likely for 2010.

by DJSkillz on Oct 13, 2008 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know

that he was a college pitcher, and has obviously impressed with his strike out rate, but I don’t see a meteoric rise in his future. First, there is the fact that he is in the Twins’ system, so that is pretty much that, but especially given his control issues, he is likely to spend a lot of time this year reworking his mechanics, which would mean he is likely to spend the entire year at one level. If he can find the strike zone, then his promotions would only be tied to his performance at each level.

by snolls on Oct 14, 2008 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think they’ll do to him what they did to Manship: Keep him in Beloit all year. He neds to work on his control. If he gets it, he might move up, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

I see Guitierrez making a meteoric rise, though. I can see him starting out in Fort Myers as a starter, moving up to New Britain after a couple of months and making it to Rochester before the end of the year.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 14, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minors pitching AAA in good shape

It is a great farm system to observe here in Rochester. A couple of comments on Duensing, Mulvey, Humber and Swarzak.

Duensing seemed to regress this year, but he is a lefty and he is pretty crafty. I would rate him 4th in this group.

Mulvey was very consistent this year and he does have a major league future – probably as a back-end starter or long-relief. He is a poor man’s Kevin Slowey.

Humber is the wild-card. He was terrible the first half of the season, got sent to the bullpen and came back a different pitcher. He has quite a bit of upside and I could see him eventually becoming a 2-3 guy. At first I was quite nervous about his inclusion in the Johan deal, but now I am happy to have him. He really seems to be coming into his own.

Swarzak was a wonderful surprise in Rochester. His numbers were terrible in N.B. and he was promoted simply because he was next in line . He was very aggressive on the mound with a lot of pop on his fastball. He is farthest away from the Twins as he still has work to do on his off-speed stuff, but he was lights-out in his shortened stint. I see him being our (Red Wings) #2 starter next year, by the time things shake out in May.

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by Rochester Dave on Oct 13, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for the insight!

Yea I hope Humber can continue what he did in the 2nd half the season. From his overall minor league experience I had to rate him last out of this group because of his inferior numbers, but I’d more than happy to be wrong. We saw what Span did…maybe Humber can do the same.

Yea I saw Duensing as the first for a shot mainly because he has more experience than all the others and has posted pretty good career minor league numbers.

by hitormiss1414 on Oct 13, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My ranking

1. Humber: I think he’s the best of the four based on what he did after the break. He must have made a mechanical adjustment because he was lights out in his return to the rotation in the second half for AAA. He has a solid three pitch mix but also could feature just the fastball and curve out o the bullpen.

2. Mulvey: Of the four, Mulvey had the best year. He also had a very good second half after a disappointing first half. I see him as a Nick Blackburn type—not overpowering, but if he can keep it down and keep it in the park, he can eat innings as a starter.

3. Swarzak: Swarzak’s FIP numbers at AAA were almost identical to AA and actually went up (4.47 to 5.54). So why the dramatic dip in ERA? He had better defense behind him in Rochester. His BABIP went from .350 to .266. So I don’t see much improvement from AA to AAA. I go scouting reports, which says he’s a two-pitch pitcher who throws hard but does not have a lot of movement or FB control. Stuffwise, he’s a lot like Humber, but he is much less polished than Humber. Unles he develops a change-up, he’s a reliever in the making.

4. Duensing: I like him fine. He’s a poor-man’s Glen Perkins. But he’s old for a prospect and he was not particularly impressive last year. Suffice it to say, this year is a key year for him.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 13, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s an interesting point made on Swarzak…I’ll definitely have to keep that in mind. Out of the four pitchers, I do probably like Duensing the least as well, but he has put up some fairly good overall minor league career numbers – not amazing, but decent.

by hitormiss1414 on Oct 13, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swarzak

Wow, cmath, that’s a really damning — and convincing — analysis of Swarzak! I hope he’s working on that changeup right now!

by by jiminy on Oct 24, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Rainville have the talent to leap frog all of the above

and pitch next year for the Twins? Will the management team even think about changing the starting rotation?

by Beerbear on Oct 13, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rainville

He seriously regressed last year. He could bounce back, but he won’t leapfrog these four.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 13, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt Rainville would leap frog the four in AAA but there always is a chance – just not a very good one.

The starting rotation won’t change unless someone gets traded, goes down in injury, or basically either Blackburn or Perkins has a terrible beginning to the year. Hopefully none of these options happen, but it’s always a possibility.

by hitormiss1414 on Oct 13, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I put in a worda bout Matt Garza?

At the time when people were blaming him (certainly the org was!) for not being a team player, or not listening to Rick Anderson I said that I thought the organization so wanted players to fit their mold that it would do that at the expense of their talents and I sided with Garza.

The events of the ALCS only make me more sure that the “Twins Way” needs to be revised to best take advantage of prospects when they reach the majors.

by MNPundit on Oct 20, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Garza

I was one of the most vocal critics of the way they handled Garza. Guys like him just don’t come around very often and you have to take the good with the bad, when it is so clear that the good so far outweighs the bad.

I hope Young turns his career around, cause right now that trade ain’t looking too good. We would be going into this off season with no real deficiencies if we had never made that deal. And we would have more pitching depth from which to trade for a spare part.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 20, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I can understand the frustration. Garza is good and he is definitly looking like a team player for the Rays. Seeing him win the ALCS MVP for the Rays was kind of hard as a Twins fan. I still believe the trade will even out over time, just right now it’s leaning obviously towards the Rays.

by hitormiss1414 on Oct 20, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just that trade....

….look how badly they handled the Santana situation until he had to be traded for cheap. I think criticism of the organization needs to be stepped up or it won’t improve much at all.

by MNPundit on Oct 21, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not that bothered by the Santana situation

It was a tough spot to be in. Santana basically said: “Trade me to one of these three clubs by the middle of February or I walk.” I don’t think the Sox or Yankees were all that interested in him, except to prevent him from going to the other team. Smith could have handled it better, but I don’t blame him for how he dealt with it. Again, it was a tough spot.

The Garza trade, on the other hand, was totally his doing. Nobody forced him into it. There was no pressure to make this trade. He went out and initiated it and made it. It’s all on him and his advisors.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 21, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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