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Who Won't Return for the Twins In 2009?

With the season over and many of us already looking forward to a promising campaign next summer, it will be important to know how many roster spots will be up for grabs this winter.  To get that answer, we'll have to figure out which familiar faces will hit the dusty trail for the free agent market.

Some years this list is easy to make and some years it's not quite so straight forward.  This off-season it is fairly straight forward, although at this point nothing is ever really guaranteed.  We'll take a quick pass through some of the more obvious choices before bringing up a couple of guys who might join the ranks.

Dennys Reyes, LHP
'09 Age:  32
Possible Replacements:  Craig Breslow, Jose Mijares


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2006

2007

2008

8.7

6.4

7.6

2.7

6.4

2.9

0.53

0.31

0.78

.197

.309

.235

.259

.419

.305

.275

.391

.353

10.9

13.5

17.1

69.0

64.0

59.7

20.2

22.5

23.3

.254

.348

.282

91.7

77.3

87.6

66

50

75

50.2

29.1

46.1

0.89

3.99

2.33

2.89

5.12

3.42

0.99

1.88

1.19



After three years of Dennys Reyes being to the Twins LOOGY situation what Old Faithful is to geysers (did that work?), we've likely seen the last of him in a Twins uniform.  He's given us three statistically good years, with his most useful asset the ability to strand base runners.

In his nine seasons before coming to Minnesota, only twice did Reyes strand base runners at a rate better than league average, and the last time was in 1999.  What the Twins saw in him, other than a live arm, was a mystery to me at the time.  It was the first season post-J.C. Romero and there was clearly a need for a southpaw in the bullpen, but going back now and browsing the free agent market from that year, there wasn't much to pick from.  Alan Embree would be 36 in 2006, there probably wasn't much of a push to sign Ricardo Rincon for more than a million dollars, Billy Wagner was a closer and Mike Stanton was about to be 39.  For a team that wasn't about to spend mega-bucks in free agency on a LOOGY, especially an old one, then 29-year old Reyes probably came out smelling of roses.

Clearly his 0.89 ERA in 50.2 innings was a bonus, as he stranded almost 92% of all base runners; league average is always a hair over 70%.  That performance earned him a very reasonable two-year contract, and I think it's safe to say the Twins got their money's worth.  In three seasons Reyes appeared in 191 games, throwing 126.1 innings and walking 51.  He wasn't dominant, even in the spectacular 2006, but he was usually very effective.  There was always a factor of uncertainty because of his stuff, and how generally ineffective he'd been in the past, but he did his job.

This off-season he'll likely be looking for the last good contract of his career, and with Craig Breslow's good year and Jose Mijares coming up big at the end of the season, it's likely the Twins won't be looking to balloon payroll by paying a veteran seven figures for a job that can be done at a fraction of the cost.  The Twins could try to temp fate by offering him arbitration in hopes that he turns it down, because Reyes will likely qualify as a free agent worth draft pick compensation, but I doubt it happens.  The only other way the Twins would get a compensatory draft pick would be if another club signed him before the arbitration deadline in December, but that also seems unlikely.  Happy trails, Dennys.

Nick Punto, Utility
'09 Age:  31
Possible Replacements:  Matt Tolbert, Brendan Harris


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2007

2008

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536

377

23.6

14.6

20.5

46.3

50.9

44.7

30.1

34.5

34.8

.338

.257

.337

.083

.061

.098

3.7

4.0

3.9

9.3

10.4

8.6

14.8

19.1

16.9

1047.1

1211.1

815.1

.794

.747

.822

35

46

25

.290

.210

.284

.352

.291

.344

.373

.271

.382



How do you feel after five seasons of Nick Punto?  That's a genuine question.  Because truth be told, while there's no substitute for talent, he gave us adequate defense and some much needed versatility.  And in the even years his on-base percentage wasn't bad, either.

After originally being drafted by the Twins in the 33rd round of the 1997 amateur draft and not signing, he moved up 12 rounds for the Phillies in '98.  Punto arrived in Minnesota in December of '03, along with Carlos Silva (and a PTBNL), from Philadelphia in exchange for Eric Milton.  At the time, Punto had just turned 26 and had only accumulated 103 major league at-bats.  In the minors he hadn't been too big of a standout at the plate either, but the '04 Twins were in their last year with an affordable Christian Guzman...who wasn't progressing as a hitter.  And when Luis Rivas was either hurt or struggling the following season, Punto made a name for himself within the organization.  Since then he's been shuffled around, playing every position except first base and catcher.

His 2006 season was probably his best, when he stepped into a big void at third base with the glove, and, into the final days of August, held an on-base percentage around .390.  Most of the complaints about Punto were about him as an everyday player, where his lack of power and decision-making skills in particular were questioned.  If that's the scale on which his tenure with the Twins will be judged, then the outcome is not going to be favorable.  But if we view him as a backup who was forced to play as often as he did, whether it be by injury to others or the decision of the manager, then it's hard to be quite as critical.  He was flawed, he was inconsistent, and he didn't have the range to make him an elite defender, but he did step in and play some important roles when he was needed.

Turning 31 next season and in line for another raise, the Twins will have younger and cheaper options to replace him within the system.  While there's always the option for the Twins to bring him back on a one-year deal to shore up the depth charts, I'm not sure I can see a significant benefit from going that route.  Of course, I've been wrong before.

Oh, by the way...that PTBNL...it was Bobby Korecky.

Adam Everett, SS
'09 Age:  32
Possible Replacements:  Matt Tolbert, Brendan Harris


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2006

2007

2008

566

236

150

20.0

17.2

14.8

37.1

44.6

39.1

42.8

38.2

46.1

.268

.262

.227

.113

.086

.110

150

66

48

6.2

6.0

8.6

13.8

14.1

11.8

1292.1

535.1

364.0

.891

.871

.854

60

35

13

.239

.232

.213

.290

.281

.278

.352

.318

.323



It seemed like a good idea at the time, didn't it?  Over the last handful of seasons Adam Everett had been the best defensive shortstop in baseball.  Unfortunately, a bum shoulder turns a light-hitting, elite shortstop into a pretty bad player in general.  There's not much else you can say about his year in Minnesota, except that he was almost designated for assignment back on July 29th.  Actually, he WAS designated for assignment, and then Alexi Casilla went down, and then they had to call him and take it all back.  Which is funny, in an awkward, Ben Stiller movie kind of way.

On December 13th of last winter, Bill Smith made a move to give his team a full time, veteran shortstop.  Coming off a bad season from Punto at third and shortstop Jason Bartlett getting shipped to Tampa just two weeks prior, the left side of the infield needed some answers.  Both positions had answers from the Astros; Everett came first.  Not only would be be playing everyday, but he'd be seen as a grounding presence for an infield with questions and what was projected to be a young starting rotation, although Johan Santana had not yet been traded.

We all know how the plans for Everett turned out.  He hit the disabled list on April 19th due to a right shoulder strain, then again on May 22nd, again, for a right shoulder strain.  He stayed there until July 30th this time, and finally played on a quasi-regular basis throughout August, and for a time he actually did well.  For 11 days, from August 6th to August 17th, he hit .333/.438/.444; while that line was over Everett's head, it was the only time all summer where we saw anything remotely resembling the player he could be when healthy.  Unfortunately, the bumps and bruises remained, and with expanded rosters he appeared in only four games in September.

Another year older, it's hard to imagine Everett coming back in 2009.  Of the three guys on this list, I wouldn't mind if the Twins offered him arbitration or signed him to a one-year, incentive-laden contract, but I still find it unlikely.  With another year of experience throughout the team, a seasoned leader at short won't be the priority it was last winter.

And that's it.  Pretty much.

You could throw Brendan Harris into that group, or an obvious choice like Randy Ruiz if you wanted to.  But each of the three listed have one main thing working against them--they're veterans making millions, with production that could be replaced by younger, cheaper players.  And when it comes down to it, when there are only 25 spaces available at any given time, three slots up for grabs is a pretty significant ratio.

Personally, I'm just happy this off-season will be nothing like last winter.  We don't have to find a way to appease an ace pitcher, we don't have to worry about replacing production from a hitter in the middle of the order, and we don't have to wonder if "the kid starters are up for it", because none of them imploded (well, except for maybe Boof Bonser) or hurt themselves this year.  And when I look at it that way, it makes me think this winter will be relatively low-stress.

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 be a good idea to let him walk so we get a draft pick. He is a Type B free agent I believe. The Twins bullpen won’t miss him next year because of the emergence of Mijares and Breslow.

by ahope on Oct 5, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

As much as I like/liked

Reyes…I have to say that we should let him walk. We would get a compensation draft pick since Reyes is a Type B Free Agent. Mijares and Breslow now hold the left handed spots in my opinion. And, if its felt needed, we could always sign Eddie G to a minor league contract.

Let him walk…Breslow and Mijares pick up the reigns and we get another draft pick.

by BCTwins on Oct 5, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Arbitration

Just curious if we need to offer arbitration in order to get the draft pick. I assume he would still go look for a long term deal, but it is a question worth asking.

by snolls on Oct 5, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

To get the pick

someone would have to sign Reyes before the arbitration deadline…after that, we’d have to offer him arbitration, then have him turn it down. Does that makes sense, because that’s how I understand it.

I don’t see another team so eager to snatch him up that they rush to sign him asap. He’s not THAT good, and I don’t think teams will want to give up the pick for him if they don’t have to.

by Jesse on Oct 5, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Type B FA

would give the Twins a sandwich pick. Other teams wouldnt lose their own picks by signing him.

by drnkmn on Oct 6, 2008 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

sign him

I’m in the camp that if we can sign him to a 3 year contract for up to 3 million a year then do it. If someone out bids us then so be it. but he did a great job, and deserves to get paid. you can never have too much pitching and he can always be traded later.

by doofus on Oct 5, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Why?

Yeah, Reyes was good at what he did, but I don’t see the point of spending that kind of money on a guy who throws maybe ten pitches every other game. Also, his numbers are impressive partially because he virtually always pitches with a platoon advantage – if a LOOGy has league-average results, he’s not doing his job. As snolls said below, that money can be spent in a lot of better ways.

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by BeefMaster on Oct 6, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

$3m

let’s say you’re options are:
A) Sign a 3B to a 3 year $9m dollar contract and sign Reyes to a 3 year $9m contract (total cost over 3 years = $18m)
B) Sign a 3B to a 3 year $16.5m contract, and promote a minor leaguer to the bullpen.

I’m not going to bother projecting who costs how much, but I expect that the twins could get a bigger return on their investment from a higher quality 3B. Even think about the guys we might get in trade (Huff, Beltre, Hardy(SS)). I think it is better to save $5m per year by replacing Reyes and Punto with Korecky and Tolbert, and put the juice to work for our infield.

As it is, I think that our bullpen will be something like:
Nathan
Neshek
Mijares
Crain
Breslow/Duensing
Guerrier/Korecky
Humber/Perkins

I think that is a healthy number of options, a healthy number of lefties, and a cheap squad. It also includes enough depth in case of injury, and there are always guys like Swarzak and Mulvey to give a taste of MLB hitting if we need to go any further.

by snolls on Oct 5, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

we need to let both Reyes and Guardado walk. Reyes will command a decently big contract, and with Mijares and Breslow aboard, it isn’t worth using the money on.

As for Punto, I wouldn’t mind him returning if it is as a ultility guy. He plays great defense and isn’t a terrible hitter off the bench. Don’t bring him back as a starting shortstop, but a guy off the bench I say yes.

Everett won’t return either…

by Twins Territory on Oct 5, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Good call on Guardado.

I didn’t even consider him, but you’re right, he won’t be back either. If there was any question as to whether he’d help the bullpen out, his performance down the stretch sort of nailed that question down.

by Jesse on Oct 5, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expect...

…the Twins to offer arbitration to Reyes. He hasn’t made a lot the last few years and they can make a relatively low offer. Yes, there would be risk that if he doesn’t get a good contract elsewhere, an arbitrator would give him a nice raise. Expect the Twins will make an offer, bet that he will sign for 3 years elsewhere and be happy with the draft pick.

Also expect them to work out a two year deal with Punto. They love him, he supposedly like it here and he hasn’t been all that bad in two of the last three. He also just could be our shortstop next year, so I look for them to try to sign him and will unless he gets greedy. Does anyone know if we get compensation if he leaves?

Also look for them to move Bonser and think that either Young or Harris could be part of this year’s big trade.

by roger13 on Oct 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem with every LNP..

..scenario is that Gardy loves the guy rain or shine, so eventually he is in the lineup every day, and is starting somewhere. Moreover, he ends up hurting the team in a big way because Gardy’s confidence in him outweighs the potential benefits that he offers. The playoff game is a perfect example. With Tolbert on first, if Punto is going to be allowed to hit in the 8th, he just has to be bunting there. Instead, he is swinging away. He’s not the kind of hitter who is going to drive the ball in that kind of situation…that he grounded into a double play was not a bit suprising.

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by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Oct 6, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like low stress off seasons...

I agree with all of your comments on who should leave. I think Tolbert and Harris are adequate but it would be nice to have a another big bat at third base. We have a lot of outfielders coming up in the system so maybe this is the off season to shop Young and Perkins for a good young 3B. I would like to Korecky and Swatzy given a real shot at making the bullpen and rotation.

Otherwise, I will put my feet up and watch the playoffs and the NFL. Maybe even pop another beer or two while I am at it.

by Beerbear on Oct 6, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

alright!

why does everybody want to shop Young?! Young is going to be so much more reliable than Cuddyer, who has only had one good year (2006) and that was because he somehow managed to stay off the DL. Every since then, he has become known as MikeDL Cuddyer (RonDL White)….frankly, I would rather have Rondell than Cuddyer at this point. Cuddyer is getting up there in age, while Young still has many good years ahead of him. Cuddyer probably will have to retire soon if he keeps on hitting the DL.

Right now, I hate Cuddyer and would frankly, although his trade value is low at this point, rather get rid of him than Young. Young is young…Cuddyer is old. Cuddyer has hit the DL about 5x in the past two years. Young has yet to hit the DL. Young has greater potential for power with that big frame…Cuddyer probably would start to decline in power and hit only about 15 a year now if he can stay healthy.

TRADE Cuddyer…FREE Young!

by BCTwins on Oct 6, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa....

My comment was not so much to trade Young in particular as to note the glut of outfield talent we have coming up in the system. Thus the trade possiblity of one or more of our current outfielders is a bargaining chip. We can keep DLCuddy or trade him I really don’t care. His bat isn’t that good and we could bring up a younger outfielder from AAA. Has Hughes ever played the outfield or Macri? I just think we have a chance to trade for a big bat infielder and I think we should take it.

by Beerbear on Oct 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let Reyes walk...

Anytime you can get a top 40 draft pick for a situational lefty reliever, you do it. We have to let Reyes walk. The bullpen is still way too crowded next year. In fact, we still have to go find a trade partner for Guerrier.

by DJSkillz on Oct 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The Guerrier situation

is one I’ll be watching closely. With how he really broke down this year it’ll be interesting to see if the Twins offer him arbitration, try to sign him to a cheap two-year deal, or just let him walk.

by Jesse on Oct 6, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep Guerrier

He’s better than what his final line says and it will be hard to replace his value on the FA market..
His value being a 7th inning guy who will need to pitch less innings. Give him a 2 year deal and watch him rebound.

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by maxisagod on Oct 6, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd sign him as well....

but then I would deal him for a prospect. I still think he could fetch something in a minor trade. I’d trade him both for salary (his $1 M or so can be replaced for less money) and for depth. We need a spot in the bullpen freed up for Humber. Heck, we can’t even keep Humber currently (even with Guerrier gone) unless we have a 12 man staff again next year, which is no lock.

I see all of Nathan, Neshek, Mijares, Boof, Crain, Breslow in the bullpen for sure. That leaves MAYBE just 1 spot, and that should go to Humber.

by DJSkillz on Oct 7, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if we packaged Boof and Perkins or Slowery?

Then there would be a SP and a RP position open. Mulvey, Humber, Swrazak, and Korecky could fill those spots. Delaney or Gambino could be darkhorses for the RP spot.

by Beerbear on Oct 7, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

please no Slowey

he was our most consistent starter and I have him pegged down as the next Radke. Perkins and Boof in a trade to Seattle or Colorado for Atkins/Stewart or Beltre.

Trade Cuddyer + 2 (Pridie and Jones, come to mind) for Hardy from the Brewers.

Infield: Morneau – 1B, Casilla – 2B, Hardy – SS, Beltre/Atkins/Stewart – 3B….like it? We have a lot of trade possibilities with Cuddyer/Young, Perkins and Boof being tradable assets…along with other minor league players.

by BCTwins on Oct 8, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Young for Evan Longaria!
hahaha

by ianmader on Oct 8, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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