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Casey Blake: Your Next Minnesota Twin?

Over at the Strib, LEN III believes the Twins could level an official offer this week.  Meanwhile, Kelly Theiser at MLB.com reports the organization is already in discussions with Blake's agent Jim McDowell.

This has to be just a little bit of poetic justice, right?  Although the Twins didn't actually draft Casey Blake.  And even though they already had a third baseman in place who was only one year older.  And they took a chance on Blake, twice.  Hmm...this isn't quite the "full circle" I expected.

I know that Blake spent less than three years in the Minnesota farm system, which could be construed as "we let one go" when we see how he performed for triple-A clubs Salt Lake and Edmonton:  1150 at-bats, .311/.389/.499, 41 homers, 71 doubles, 127 walks, 203 strikeouts.  But the Twins still didn't keep him around, and he landed with the Indians as a free agent at age 29.  In 2004 he had his first truly good offensive season, which happened to coincide with the last good (see:  full) offensive season for one Cordel Leonard Koskie.

Now there's a very real chance that Blake, at age 35, could return to Minnesota and, quite likey, close out his career with the team that will be charged as the one that let him get away.  In 2008, Pecota projected Blake to perform as a typical 34-year old third baseman in decline, with a .264/.333/.432 median line; instead he nearly hit their 75th percentile...or essentially, over his head.  Pecota hasn't yet released forecasts for 2009, but suffice it to say it's likely they'll still be expecting a significant drop in performance.  Bill James, who included Casey Blake in his '09 projections for the Dodgers, looked into his crystal ball and saw .259/.336/.432, with 12 homers in 336 at-bats.

Should the Twins move forward with Blake, and right now it certainly seems that they are, they're doing so with the idea that he'll be able to fill a hole at third base for at least a year or two...until someone named either Luke Hughes or Danny Valencia is ready to step in.  Hopefully.

Looking back over the last five years, Blake's played significant time at the hot corner in three of them, and while he's never been a true defensive whiz by any stretch of the imagination he's certainly reliable.  Every year he'll make a handful of great plays, make a few outs by getting to balls outside of his zone, but getting to his age as a third baseman when does mediocre start to take a turn for the worse?  I understand that it's not necessarily the glove or the arm that the Twins are looking at here, but rather the idea of an everyday third baseman who can provide decent offense from the right side of the plate.  Otherwise, the team would just be platooning Brian Buscher and Brendan Harris.

So it's not the possible dropoff in the field that cautions me against Casey Blake.  It's the offense.  Although other than being a bit more aggressive around the plate (check his percentages for swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone here), taking a glance through the numbers there's nothing that stands out too much from his recent history.

Year BB% K% ISO LD%
2005 7.6 22.2 .197 20.9
2006 10.1 23.2 .197 23.2
2007 8.4 20.9 .167 17.7
2008 8.4 22.4 .188 22.1

The biggest factor here for me isn't even the money, because I know the Twins aren't going to break the bank.  The biggest factor is simply age.  If we were discussing the Twins signing this exact player at age 30 or 31, it'd be a no-brainer.  But we're playing the odds on a 35-year old.

In some ways it's a perfect situation.  With the Twins in the unique position of actually having prospects in the system who could potentially take over third base in the next 12 to 24-months, they're able to look at a player that doesn't constitute a long-term committment.  They're able to look at a player who can bridge a gap to the future.  And while Casey Blake is that player, I'm still wondering if that's the best direction for the Twins to take.  It's not the player that concerns me, it's the direction.

Ultimately this direction will come down to two things:  money and performance.  Before Blake even steps up to the plate in a Minnesota jersey, his tenure with the team will be judged on his contract.  Then he'll be judged on how he actually plays.  Bizarre, but true.

Now we just have to wait and see what happens before we start complaining.  Or applauding, depending how optimistic you are.

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I think they're pretty close...but that's just coming from what I read elsewhere.

If the Twins and Blake are even in the same vicinity in terms of dollars and years, they’ll find a way to get it done. If they sign him to a deal that’s worth more than $6 MM a year, I think it’ll be too much…by the same token, if it’s anything more than a two-year deal I think it’ll be too long. But we’ll see.

by Jesse on Nov 17, 2008 5:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya that was what i was thinking, thanks

i just didnt want to get all excited and then shot down if he signed elsewhere

everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds

by RaysOfHope on Nov 17, 2008 11:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Blake

Nicely written piece, Jesse. I understand people’s concerns with signing Blake. He’s 35, he’s never been great offensively or defensively, etc. However his overall run production really hasn’t been hampered by his age and I really think that he’s not much better than either Kouzmanoff or Atkins. Especially considering that Blake would only have to be signed, instead of being traded for. The Rockies and Padres will ask the Twins for a pretty significant player in return for their third baseman, and really I see no reason to do that if we can just sign Blake.

Progress always involves taking risks. You can't steal second base and keep your foot on first. ~ Frederick B. Wilcox

by Joshs Thoughts on Nov 16, 2008 7:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they sign Blake...

…the better get a good shortstop through trade. I looked at the talent pool and read between the lines of the discussions with Bill Smith and it seemed to me they didn’t want to part with enough talent to acquire, say, a Beltre and a Hardy. But they understood that they needed to do one such trade, and between short and third, short was their priority. So, I’m fine with it as long as they upgrade at short with Hardy or Escobar.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 16, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not an ideal situation, but he wouldn't break the bank and he'd stand a good chance of playing pretty well until our young guys are ready for a shot. Just keep your fingers crossed that that 35 year old body has another go around or two in it.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Nov 16, 2008 10:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like this move...

…if they also use those pieces that they’d save from signing a free agent and not trading for Bletre or Atkins on a shortstop. If they can get Blake and say J.J. Hardy, the off-season would be great in my opinion.

by Twins Territory on Nov 16, 2008 10:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with this

except I don’t trust JJ Hardy.

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Nov 17, 2008 1:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's put up some solid numbers in the past two years

better than I thought. So I guess it’s just my own personal, subjective feeling but I don’t think he’s all that good.

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Nov 17, 2008 1:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What don't you like about him?...

He’s one of the best SS’s in the entire game. Both offensively AND defensively.

by DJSkillz on Nov 17, 2008 1:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK dj skills

Count me as officially on the JJ Hardy bandwagon.

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Nov 17, 2008 2:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally misread that...

I didn’t realize who you were replying to, and for a moment I thought you were on the Hardy bandwagon because he had okay DJ skills, which I thought was kind of odd criteria for picking a shortstop.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Nov 18, 2008 12:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

:-)

he’d prolly play country or something.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 18, 2008 9:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep...

I think that’s the real key. Blake fits well in giving Valencia a chance to give us a good in-house option within the next 2 years (and if we sign him to a 3-year deal he’s the kind of guy that could really help our bench after that), and he saves all of our excess (one of Cuddy/Young/Span and 3-4 of Perkins/Blackburn/Humber/Mulvey/Manship/Swarzak/Duensing/Guerrier/Boof) to upgrade SS and RP.

If Bill Smith can’t come up with a good SS or 2b (Casilla to 2b) and a RP from that, then he shouldn’t be the GM of this team. And I get the sense that he WILL come up with that other major upgrade.

If we upgrade SS significantly, get Blake, and Liriano has a bounceback year, I could easily see this team in the World Series next year. And that gets me pumped.

by DJSkillz on Nov 17, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’m only happy with this if we use our trade chips to get a good SS as many others have stated.

If Blake would sign a 2 year + option that would be perfect. His money would be coming off the books in 2 years which would be just in time to sign an extension for J.J. Hardy should we acquire him. Cuddyer as well would be coming off the books at the same time which would allow us even more money to throw at Mauer, LIriano, Baker, etc.

My biggest worry is that he become Lamb on a more expensive and damaging level. I know he shouldn’t but any guy getting up in age is a risk and that’s my biggest worry.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Nov 17, 2008 1:45 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't say I agree...

Harris and Buscher are about at their “prime” age. They don’t figure to get much better if at all. Both are better as utility guys, nothing more.

Just judging by last year, as AdamP has noted on here with great statistical analysis, Blake would be a 24 run upgrade at 3b for next year. That alone would almost completely negate our likely drop in RISP luck this year. Then if you upgrade at SS through trade (likely IMO if we sign Blake) and get improvements from Kubel and Cuddyer/Young (whichever one is kept), you have the makings of a REALLY good offense to go with what should be a very good staff.

I’m all for Blake at this point as long as the price is reasonable.

by DJSkillz on Nov 17, 2008 8:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as the price is reasonable

You can say that again. On the other hand, better to spend the money on one obvious upgrade than four RLPs and hope for the best.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 17, 2008 8:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

I said below too that I don’t necessarily think Blake will be as bad as Lamb but he’s a lot older and I highly highly doubt he’ll get any better offensively and most likely he’ll get worse defensively. He’s not a wizard at 3B anyhow in fact Harris is probably as good or better and I was pleasantly surprised by Buschers skills there as well. They do have a good shot to improve defensively and I think offensively as well. Buscher surprised us but if you look at his minor league performance the last two years his average and OBP seem sustainable and if anything we should expect him to hit for a bit more power.

Minors
.309 .385 .493 in 2007
.319 .402 .514 in 2008
Majors
 .294 .340 .390 in 2008

Brendan Harris is still only 25 and I think the normal peak age is 27 or 28 so we could see him get better. He did hit better in 2007 than 2008 but that season seems to stick out and I wouldn’t expect much more from him but he is capable given age and his 2007 performance.

Like I said even given that I think Harris/Buscher are more than capable I’d be willing to take the chance on Blake if the price/years are right. However with so many teams on him I think the price and years will be too high if we do sign him.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Nov 17, 2008 9:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake's defense

It’s not bad enough to offset his bat, especially when we are talking about the alternative being Brian Buscher for the majority of games (righties being more prevalent than lefties). Also, we can always use a utility player late in the game as a defensive replacement, after Blake puts the team out front with a homer.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 17, 2008 10:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lamb vs. Blake

I think there is a difference between Blake and Lamb. Blake as been a full-time starter where as Lamb was just a bench player. Also, Blake played in the AL central so it would not be a big change as it was for Lamb coming from the national league.

Blake would be an upgrade at 3B for the Twins and he is no worse than most of the trade options. He also would fit right in with the Twins clubhouse.

by bgigs52 on Nov 17, 2008 10:14 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One other thing

If the Twins sign him, they keep him out of Cleveland, where he has been a thorn in our side for years.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 17, 2008 10:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Central Thorn

There’s a post on ‘Bless you Boys’ about Blake and his habitual crushing of the Tigers. Always nice to have a guy on your squad that really likes to beat up on the division…

by Chuck Tweedy on Nov 17, 2008 11:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with that.

I didn’t mean to draw comparisons to Lamb, but I think it’s a natural line of thought. Blake is a better player than Lamb, I don’t doubt that.

by Jesse on Nov 17, 2008 5:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with most

comments here when I say that I believe that the Blake signing could work out fine IF we then traded for one of Hardy or Escobar. Hardy is my own personal choice and everybody has his own favorites. Blake could put up decent numbers and would not be half bad….that would then save us Perk/Blacky/prospects for a Hardy/Escobar trade.

Sign Blake…Trade for Hardy….Good to GO!

Trade for Beltre…resign Punto….hmmm….not so sure.

by 33MorneauMVP on Nov 17, 2008 3:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

I think we pretty much have to trade to upgrade at SS since I don’t believe we have a chance at Furcal and don’t want anything to do with Cabrera and other FA SS options. As much as I’m nervous about Blake I to don’t think he’ll be as bad as Lamb and has a smaller chance of being a bust. However at his age injuries are a concern as well as decline so I’m not all for signing him. However if the Twins are set at trying to upgrade both SS and 3B I like Blake and Hardy/Escobar better than Beltre and Punto/Cabrera/Tolbert.

To be honest though the more evidence I see of Buscher/Harris being a good platoon the more I think we should just stick with what we’ve got. It’s cheap and it would be the only position we’d be platooning if we get a good everyday MI to go along with Casilla. So it wouldn’t be a hindrance to us at all. Buscher/Harris are young and should only get better over the next few years while Blake is just the opposite and he might have been a bit better (only in power though) last year but will likely regress over the next couple years.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Nov 17, 2008 7:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think this move has a high liklihhod of a poor outcome

This is not a young man, and not someone who is a good defensive player. Given that, even a relatively natural decline at his age renders him an overpriced player who doesn’t help you win.

Frankly, he isn’t entirely dissimilar from Mike Lamb circa last winter—Lamb had some similarly successful seasons in recent years, and is younger. While its true that Blake has played more, it isn’t clear that he’s been better.

I want them to stop signing players this age for significant roles. I want them to be willing to spend some real money when it’s warranted, especially with the low payroll they wound up with last year. I don’t just mean free agents, I also mean being willing to trade for salary.

Go get Beltre. Sign Fucal. You have the money.

by Eric in Madison on Nov 17, 2008 6:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manny

Manny knocked in 119 runs at age 36. Wouldn’t you like to have him in your lineup?

Blake is an ok signing. Considering there is no giving of the talent to get him, the better.

by doofus on Nov 17, 2008 6:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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