Bill James Projects 2009 Twins
All projections are courtesy of The Bill James Handbook, from ACTA Sports.
I won't be going through every single projection, because some of them aren't as interesting or relevant as others...which just means I'll leave out Eddie Guardado and Dennys Reyes. We'll cruise through the pitchers tonight, and then after we kick off the SB Nation yearly awards tomorrow afternoon, we'll get to the hitters tomorrow night.
Scott Baker
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 25 | 24 | 23 | 144 | 162 | 15 | 29 | 102 | 9-9 | 0 | 12.0 | 4.26 |
| 2008 | 26 | 28 | 28 | 172 | 161 | 20 | 42 | 141 | 11-4 | 0 | 10.6 | 3.45 |
| 2009 | 27 | 29 | 29 | 181 | 191 | 22 | 41 | 142 | 10-10 | 0 | 11.8 | 3.93 |
Nothing seems too unrealistic with James' expectations here, which is what I expect to find as I roll through his projections. I do think Baker will top 200 innings for the first time in his career in '09, his strikeout rates will hopefully stay closer to where they were this past season, and hopefully the ball bounces his way and he can post a better than .500 record for the year, but in general this is a pretty fair forecast. Francisco Liriano will be "the talented one" that will see his successes fawned over, but it's Baker who, at just 27, will be the ipso-facto leader of the rotation.
Francisco Liriano
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2006 | 22 | 28 | 16 | 121 | 89 | 9 | 32 | 144 | 12-3 | 1 | 9.00 | 2.16 |
| 2008 | 24 | 14 | 14 | 76 | 74 | 7 | 32 | 67 | 6-4 | 0 | 12.5 | 3.91 |
| 2009 | 25 | 28 | 28 | 166 | 151 | 14 | 61 | 171 | 11-8 | 0 | 11.6 | 3.62 |
James clearly expects Liriano's trajectory, at least for 2009, to continue to be on the rise. While Cisco's throwing motion still makes me cringe a little on the inside (I've trained the outside to keep from shuddering), and we all know he isn't the burner of '06, his performance over the last two months of 2008 were encouraging: 11 starts, 55.2 innings, 60 strikeouts, 19 walks, 59 hits and a 3.23 ERA. Making 28 starts is a pretty safe prediction, and going 166 innings puts him on a pace to average just under six innings a start...once again, at a level that can be expected. If Liriano can duplicate James' forecast, I think it'll be a very good year for him.
Kevin Slowey
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 23 | 13 | 11 | 67 | 82 | 16 | 11 | 47 | 4-1 | 0 | 12.6 | 4.73 |
| 2008 | 24 | 27 | 27 | 160 | 161 | 22 | 24 | 123 | 12-11 | 0 | 10.4 | 3.99 |
| 2009 | 25 | 29 | 29 | 176 | 180 | 21 | 29 | 147 | 11-9 | 0 | 10.9 | 3.60 |
This one turned out to be a better projection than I anticipated. James clearly likes Slowey, or at least pitchers like him. Better strikeout rates, a bit better control of the longball, what looks like a clean bill of health and not a great deal of base runners; all things that should point to a pretty effective year. There's no doubt that Kevin is a talented pitcher, and I'm certainly looking forward to seeing him have a good season in '09, so if this is the year in store for him then I'll be very happy.
Nick Blackburn
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 25 | 6 | 0 | 12 | 19 | 2 | 2 | 8 | 0-2 | 0 | 16.2 | 7.71 |
| 2008 | 26 | 33 | 33 | 193 | 224 | 23 | 39 | 96 | 11-11 | 0 | 12.2 | 4.05 |
| 2009 | 27 | 33 | 33 | 196 | 222 | 20 | 41 | 104 | 10-12 | 0 | 12.4 | 4.18 |
James expects, basically, a duplication of '08 for Blackburn next year. Everything stays on a pretty even keel, perhaps a sign of Nick's consistency and definitely a sign of the pitcher profile he embodies, with the "biggest" change being a slight regression to the mean in ERA. For a pitcher who allows as many base runners as Blackburn, a low-4's ERA will be difficult to maintain, but his makeup will always keep him from imploding. That's a big positive, especially when moving into the back end of the rotation. He's durable, affordable, and he can be effective.
Glen Perkins
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 24 | 19 | 0 | 29 | 23 | 2 | 12 | 20 | 0-0 | 0 | 11.0 | 3.14 |
| 2008 | 25 | 26 | 26 | 151 | 184 | 25 | 39 | 74 | 12-4 | 0 | 13.2 | 4.41 |
| 2009 | 26 | 27 | 27 | 158 | 175 | 23 | 56 | 117 | 7-11 | 0 | 13.6 | 4.91 |
There are some improvements here, with a significant bump in strikeouts. The slight dip in hits is off-set by the walks, but in the end James basically expects Perkins to have a pretty similar year to what we just saw. While the ERA will be higher, on its own that won't be an indicator as to whether Perk will be any more or less effective. He's hittable and allows baserunners, and in general I think James makes a pretty realistic projection here.
Boof Bonser
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 25 | 31 | 30 | 173 | 199 | 27 | 65 | 136 | 8-12 | 0 | 13.8 | 5.10 |
| 2008 | 26 | 47 | 12 | 118 | 139 | 16 | 36 | 97 | 3-7 | 0 | 13.3 | 5.93 |
| 2009 | 27 | 53 | 6 | 103 | 110 | 15 | 36 | 90 | 5-7 | 0 | 12.9 | 4.61 |
Boof Bonser has been on the bad end of the stick in regards to luck the last few years, sure, but that doesn't mean he's been a good pitcher. Still, his FIP for this last year was a manageable 4.26, and that's a far cry from the 5.93 ERA. James expects Boof's performance indicators to more accurately reflect his performance next season, but to meet those forecasts he'll have to improve on one thing: stranding base runners. Go get 'em, Boofster.
Craig Breslow
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2008 | 27 | 49 | 0 | 47 | 34 | 1 | 19 | 39 | 0-2 | 1 | 10.2 | 1.91 |
| 2009 | 28 | 60 | 0 | 56 | 52 | 3 | 23 | 53 | 3-3 | 0 | 12.4 | 3.66 |
After a very successful opening campaign with the Twins, it's likely Breslow will take a more prominent role in the '09 incarnation of the bullpen. James sees him getting a bit more hittable and he allows a few more runs, but in general Breslow is forecasted to remain a reliable and effective southpaw reliever. I have to concur.
Matt Guerrier
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 28 | 73 | 0 | 88 | 71 | 9 | 21 | 68 | 2-4 | 1 | 9.5 | 2.35 |
| 2008 | 29 | 76 | 0 | 76 | 84 | 12 | 37 | 59 | 6-9 | 1 | 14.3 | 5.19 |
| 2009 | 30 | 73 | 0 | 68 | 68 | 8 | 24 | 48 | 4-4 | 0 | 12.4 | 4.10 |
If asked which of these lines would create the most accurate picture of what kind of a pitcher Matt Guerrier would be, it'd have to be the third line. At 30, and with his stuff, Guerrier isn't likely to recapture the glories of '05 - '07, but James still paints a picture of a very busy and moderately effective bullpen arm. There are still a lot of appearances, even though the innings are down, but it's a forecast I could buy into. Eventually I'll get to my predictions for next season, and I can see myself being a bit more pessimistic in regards to Guerrier than James, but he's a smarter man than I.
Jesse Crain
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 25 | 18 | 0 | 16 | 19 | 4 | 4 | 10 | 1-2 | 0 | 12.7 | 5.51 |
| 2008 | 26 | 66 | 0 | 63 | 62 | 6 | 24 | 50 | 5-4 | 0 | 12.3 | 3.59 |
| 2009 | 27 | 65 | 0 | 61 | 61 | 6 | 21 | 39 | 3-3 | 0 | 12.4 | 3.86 |
Crain had a pretty good comeback season with the Twins, and while James doesn't exactly tell us he's having a bad year in '09, he is telling us he won't be the shut-down reliever we'd like him to be. James sees the strikeouts regressing again. It spite of this the base runners are kept reasonable and Crain looks like he's put together a solid season, but this doesn't make him the reliable set-up arm the Twins are looking for.
Joe Nathan
| Season | Age | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | W-L | S | BR/9 | ERA |
| 2007 | 32 | 68 | 0 | 72 | 54 | 4 | 19 | 77 | 4-2 | 37 | 9.2 | 1.88 |
| 2008 | 33 | 68 | 0 | 68 | 43 | 5 | 18 | 74 | 1-2 | 39 | 8.1 | 1.33 |
| 2009 | 34 | 66 | 0 | 68 | 47 | 4 | 20 | 80 | 5-3 | 39 | 9.0 | 1.99 |
Joe Nathan having another Joe Nathan season. Yawn. James doesn't expect Nathan to start regressing, at least not yet, and projects him to have another good year...just like every other year he's had since coming to Minnesota.
Overall there aren't any real controversial forecasts one way or the other, but that's the whole point. Zips, Baseball Prospectus, Chone, Bill James...they all use their own formulas/guesses to express how a pitcher will do, and they're always in line with age, career history, and the career histories of players similar to them.
That doesn't mean you have to agree. How would you rate James' forecasts for Twins pitchers in '09?
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All of his age predictions are awfully gutsy
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by Andersklasen on Nov 2, 2008 10:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He does get a little chancy on Baker.
There’s only a 72% chance that he’ll be in his age-27 campaign next year. That’s a far cry from a guarantee, but James really puts himself out there on that one.
by Jesse on Nov 3, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill James
Ive never been a big fan of his work, he rarely leaves room for improvement in young players.
by bighurt1441 on Nov 2, 2008 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty interesting...
I don’t know; maybe my expectations are just high for both of them, but frankly, I’ll be disappointed if either Baker or Liriano has the season that James predicts for them. I think Baker can be closer to 3.50 in ERA, and I expect Liriano to be closer to 3.00, personally.
The rest I think are very fair. Maybe Blackburn and Slowey should be a tad worse in each case IMO.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
by DJSkillz on Nov 3, 2008 1:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
In aggregate, it's pretty good
I agree that Baker and Liriano will likely have better years than that. But I’ll take a pitching staff that performs like that. If we score the same number of runs in 2009 as 2008, a staff like that oughtta help us contend again.
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by cmathewson on Nov 3, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya....
That’s the real key. I think that our pitching can help even more than this (Baker/Liriano, as we have just said) but a key will be gaining in team OPS to offset some of the RISP data from 2008. I have hope even WITHOUT an acquisition because we really only have 2-3 guys on our offense that are in their prime or past it in Cuddyer, Kubel, and Morneau. And Kubel and Morneau could both still improve; in fact I’d expect it in at least Kubel’s case. Young/Gomez need to get better, and I think it’s reasonable to assume they will.
One other thing that’s interesting is that James “projects” all of Baker, Liriano, and Slowey to have 28-29 starts. I would expect over 30 for each of them, which should help the overall staff.
by DJSkillz on Nov 3, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty safe projections
I think he’s pretty much tried to minimize how far off he can be, which is fine. I think that Crain and Blackburn have the best chance to beat his projections, since, based on age and injury, there is reason to think they could both improve. I think that Slowey has the toughest projection to meet, though I’m hopeful that this is accurate.
I think the question with Liriano is whether he stays healthy. Presumable, James is assuming that he will stay healthy, not projecting him to. The question is, what is the likelihood of injury. I’ve got to think its a pretty significant risk.
by snolls on Nov 3, 2008 8:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So we are gonna finish the season at 62-70?
Somehow, I doubt that.
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by joeiscool12 on Nov 3, 2008 9:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice catch
It certainly doesn’t seem like James aggregated his projections, unless he’s really pessimistic about the Twins next year.
I’m with snolls – this looks like a fairly safe, middle-of-the-road projection, especially in the W-L columns. Granted, it’s fairly pointless to project W-L records anyway, since they’re so team-dependent, but the fact that everyone is within four games of .500 (all but 2 are within 2 games) seems to point to a conservative forecast both ways.
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by BeefMaster on Nov 3, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't put too much stock in James' W-L forecasts.
First, they’re based on the individual; they’re not calculated to fit into a 162-game season. Also, you’ll noticed I only included 10 pitchers…which is a far cry from how many guys are involved in decisions over the course of a year—in 2008 the Twins used 19 pitchers, 18 of them were credited with a win or loss. 62-70 clearly doesn’t add up to a full season’s worth of games.
Forecasts for pitcher’s W-L totals are always middle of the road anyway, because guys always wind up the benefactor or luck…or the opposite. Take Perkins as the prime example this year…12-4 is ridiculously awesome for how he pitched. Like you said, W-L records for pitchers are basically meaningless, but it’s exactly why those projections are never truly top or bottom heavy.
by Jesse on Nov 3, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crain
Would be my guy to beat out the projections. I don’t know why but I just think him getting another year post injury will help him out a lot. I don’t have great reasons to back this up but I look and he had a great first half struggled for a bit in July and August then came back on strong again. To me that says he burnt out a little partially because of poor conditioning then when he was used less in September he was able to come back on strong.
I also don’t see all the Twins starters doing this well. I just have a sick feeling that one of them will be the new Boof. Yes I know Boof’s peripherals were great but what really matters is how he’s done the last two years. I have this funny feeling that one of the young guys just won’t live up to what they did this year. If they do, we will have a really great team. Even if only one of them regresses sharply we should still be very good because of our depth of major league ready guys at AAA in Mulvey, Duensing, Humber, and Swarzak(almost MLB ready).
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Nov 3, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Baker, Perkins
I believe both these two blow away their projections. Most of the others seem reasonable.
by Twins win on Nov 3, 2008 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Perkins...
was dead on. If anything, he might do worse than that IMO.
Perkins is the guy I want to trade for value right now. I think this is about his peak.
by DJSkillz on Nov 3, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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