The 2009 Payroll
As of now, the preliminary 2009 payroll is at $55,683,100. That includes the following eight players who are under contract: Philip Humber ($550,000), Joe Nathan ($11,250,000), Jesse Crain ($1,700,000), Joe Mauer ($10,500,000), Mike Redmond ($950,000), Justin Morneau ($10,600,000), Nick Punto ($4,000,000) and Michael Cuddyer ($6,750,000).
The above number also includes seventeen other players that are on the 40-man roster and are likely to be with the Twins, including two pitchers, Bonser and Rule V pickup Jason Jones, who are out of options and will likely battle Humber for one spot in the bullpen. All seventeen are included at their 2008 base annual salaries: Scott Baker ($422,500), Kevin Slowey ($395,000), Francisco Liriano ($410,000), Nick Blackburn ($390,000), Glen Perkins ($390,000), Boof Bonser ($432,500), Matt Guerrier ($950,000), Pat Neshek ($435,000), Craig Breslow ($392,000), Alexi Casilla ($390,000), Matt Tolbert ($390,000), Brian Buscher ($390,000), Brendan Harris ($431,100), Jason Kubel ($1,300,000), Delman Young ($700,000), Carlos Gomez ($395,000) and Denard Span ($390,000).
Also included are two players, Jose Mijares who will most likely be with the Club, and Jason Jones, who will battle Bonser and Humber for one or two spots in the bullpen. Mijares and Jones are both included in the $55,683,100 total at the minimum of $390,000.
Ten of the above players (Slowey, Blackburn, Perkins, Breslow, Casilla, Tolbert, Buscher, Harris, Gomez and Span) will get minimal raises...say averaging $25,000 each. This will add an additional $250,000 to the total. Delmon Young is likely to get a larger raise, say $100,000. Two (Liriano and Baker) will likely get larger raises than the above ten, say $50,000 each for another $100,000.
That brings the total payroll to an estimated $56,183,100 and includes everyone at 2009 payroll levels except the two players who are arbitration eligible, Kubel and Guerrier, who are included at their 2008 salaries. I expect the Twins are looking to work out three or four year contracts with each and should they spend an additonal $3,000,000 on the two in 2009, their total payroll would be just over $59,000,000, not including incentives that could total as much as another $500,000+/-.
It also does not include any salaries paid to minor league callups. However, with 27 players included in this estimate there is one extra player (Neshek will go on the 60-day disabled list at the end of spring training) so that amount shouldn't be over a half million depending upon injuries. As I see it, their current payroll is going to be about $60,000,000 assuming they spend total compensation of about $5,250,000 on Kubel and Guerrier in 2009 (The $2,250,000 they received in 2008 plus an additional $3,000,000). This should allow them to sign Kubel to a three or four year deal that is a bit front loaded as they did last year with Nathan, Cuddyer and Morneau.
With a budget around $60,000,000 and many sources indicating that they could get closer to the $71,000,000 they spent in 2007, the Twins do have room to add one or two players that they need either through free-agency or a trade. All indications are that it would be a short reliever and third baseman.
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You remember the
3MM we still have to pay Lamb?
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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 13, 2008 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
…I don’t know when that gets paid. Did it have to get paid when he got released? Or, does it get paid at some time during 2009? Does anyone know when that is due? But yes, if paid in 2009 it would put the Twins around $63mm.
by roger13 on Dec 13, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It sounded
like it gets paid this season based on reports when he just signed with the Brewers. They signed him to the league minimum because they said he gets $3 million this season that would act like the rest of his one-year deal with the Brewers.
by Twins Territory on Dec 13, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure it comes this year
as salary from Minnesota in addition to his MLB minimum from the Brewers.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 14, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense...
…however, I wonder how it gets paid. Will it be every few weeks with their regular payroll? Or is it in one lump sum? Also, do the Twins get to deduct the amount he receives from the Brewers…the minimum, $390,000 which would cut it to $2,610,000?
by roger13 on Dec 14, 2008 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A couple options bring us close to $71M
Sign Wigginton to $7M per, now we’re at about $70M with the Lamb money included. Signing a FA reliever will be difficult, as we already have 8-9 guys for 7 bullpen spots. I suspect two out of Bonser, Humber, Jones will be on our roster.
Or, if we make the trade for Beltre, we’re up to around $76M, depending on who we give up. They’d have to include another piece for us to give up Blackburn or Delmon.
Of course, we could just say hell with it and sign Tex to a 10 year / $200M contract and put him at 3B…brings the payroll up to about $83M. Yes, it’s a pipe dream, but after resigning Punto for two years it’s what I need to do to keep my optimism.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 14, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Minimum salary
Not to nitpick, but the minimum salary for 2008 is $400,000. It’s $410,000 for 2010, and then there’s a cost of living adjustment for 2011, which is the last year of the current Basic Agreement.
http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/info/cba.jsp
by malete on Dec 14, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I mean for 2009
Minimum for 2009 is $400K.
by malete on Dec 14, 2008 10:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that link...
…I remembered that it stayed the same for two years, thought it was $390,000 for 2008 and 2009. Just went and read it and it stays the same in 2009 and 2010 at $400,000. There were only a couple players expected to be at the minimum, plus minor league callups for injuries. Total effect shouldn’t be more than $25,000-$50,000 in the above total.
by roger13 on Dec 14, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post, though
I agree that there is plenty of room to still go out and get a RH stick to hit behind Morneau and play 3B. I know Wiggy is available, but I still like the thought of finding a way to get Beltre in a contract year as long as giving up Slowey isn’t involved.
by malete on Dec 14, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gap between Beltre and Wigginton
Is there a large enough gap between the two to justify the cost in a trade? I’m not sure. Defensively, there’s a huge gap. Probably 10-20 runs right there. Offensively, a smaller gap, although the upside is much greater for Beltre. A range from 0-20 runs probably.
Would an additional 10-40 runs be worth $6M next year (diff between Beltre and Wigginton) as well as Bonser/Harris or Perkins? Considering the potential upside, I’d be inclined to say yes.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 14, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
Having Beltre at 3B would give us great defense from the left side which is something we lacked mightily in 2008. Our pitchers already did well because of great outfield defense by Gomez/Span. If we could give up say Blackburn/Perkins for Beltre I’d be all for it. I just don’t know if Seattle thinks that’s enough and I don’t know if the Twins want to give up any more than that.
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by halfchest on Dec 14, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon Young
Isn’t he pro-rated with his signing bonus. Remember reading that the twins paid $1,400,000 in salary to him last year, and I think he’ll push $2,000,000 this season.
Wow, looking at the salaries…17 under a million or so…whew! To think the Twins blew how many million on Hernandez/Lamb/Monroe/Everett last year. Think they can take a gamble on one decent free agent for at least half-that-amount in 2008.
Baker and Boof are the next to go towards arbitration, I think…oh, Liriano gets that one-year credit for the DL, too.
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by rosterman on Dec 14, 2008 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Young
He signed a five-year major league contract when he was drafted by the Rays. 2008 was the last year of that contract, and he was paid $700K. But it was only his second full year on the 25 man roster, so I think he’s at the Twins’ mercy of what they want to pay him this year, his third year of serfdom. Someone can correct me if that’s wrong.
by malete on Dec 14, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon Young...
…is in his last year of “serfdom” this season. I see the Twins giving him a raise and they cannot get him back to the range of their other players with two years experience, Baker, Liriano, etc, because of limitations on salary reductions.
I don’t see the Twins doing anything with Liriano as they will want to see him have another year with a healthy arm. As for Baker, I wouldn’t be surprised if they sit down with him and sign a deal taking him through arbitration and one year beyond. Also, look for them to do something about an extension with Mauer, but that will wait until late spring or even sometime this summer.
by roger13 on Dec 15, 2008 7:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Liriano will be in Arb this year. Good for 2MM probably.
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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 14, 2008 9:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Liriano
Liriano didn’t get enough service time last year to achieve Super-two status for arbitration.
by malete on Dec 14, 2008 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/17582974.html yes he did.
Liriano has two years and 32 days of major league service time, and assuming he stays in the big leagues the rest of the season, he will be eligible for salary arbitration at season’s end, which will drive his salary well past $1 million.
He earned one year of major league service last year while on the disabled list, recovering from surgery. But he was not earning service time the past two weeks with Rochester.
If the Twins had waited longer to promote him, he might not have reached the threshold — three years — to qualify for arbitration.
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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 15, 2008 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap I thought
that was from the second time he was called up I didn’t check the date stamp.
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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 15, 2008 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To close on this issue
Cot’s Contracts lists Liriano as having 2.031 years of service time. In order to qualify for Super 2 status, he would need something like 2.66 years of service time. Hence, he is not eligible for arbitration until after 2009.
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by cmathewson on Dec 15, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lock guys up
Who will be the next guys to be signed to an extension? I agree that Liriano probably needs to show he’s back next year before we extend. Then again, a 3 year contract that avoids a few arbitration years may be a good idea there. Perhaps something that pays him $0.75M, $1.5M, $2.25M?
Baker is a good candidate for an extension. Same concept there as for Liriano.
With Kubel I probably wait until he solves LH pitching. By then it could be too late…
I want to see more from Young before I give him an extension. He’s already into seven figures.
Finally, we’re going to want to discuss an extension for Mauer after 2009. Lock him up for another five years.
Man we’re a young team. This is exciting.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 15, 2008 7:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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