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Minnesota Twins Winter Meetings Open Thread, Monday

Morning Afternoon Evening, Twins fans!

11:42 pm (Jon Marthaler) - I've been checking the wires for the last four hours, and it would seem that nothing is happening at the Belaggio.  So we'll leave you with the quote of the day, from Twins Assistant GM Rob Antony: "If the Twins ran baseball, these meetings would be at the Red Roof Inn."

7:11 pm - This will be my last update of the evening, but definitely continue to post your own updates.  I'll see you in the morning, bright and early!

  • The Phillies met with Nick Punto this afternoon.  Between him, Adam Everett and Mike Lamb, ex-Twins infielders have had a busy day.
  • In the comments section of LEN III's blog, people keep bringing up the idea of Ty Wigginton...with one optimistic fan even penciling him in to hit fifth.  Sure, the numbers last year look good, but this still smacks of all sorts of crazy to me.  A hitter's park, short porch, extreme home/road splits, that contract...just...no.  No.
  • As I write that, I see the Twins are allegedly interested in Mr. Wigginton...even if it's indirectly.  This is from Alyson Footer at MLB.com.
  • Also from Alyson, the Twins have expressed interest in Miguel Tejada.  What kind of interest, and how far along it goes aren't listed, but this report was published eight minutes after LEN III's last update.  So that's interesting.
  • Finally, Phil Miller of the Pioneer Press is also hearing grumblings about a phone call between the Astros and the Twins in regards to Tejada.  So...NOT dead?
  • Finally, a nod has to be given just one more time to MLB Trade Rumors, Tim Dierkes and his crew.  A lot of the non-Twins material was found through his site today.

6:30 pm - An evening update from LEN III:

  • Neal has now spoken to sources on both sides of the Twins/Phillies rumor, and not only would the Twins need more than Jason Donald in order to shift Delmon Young, but the Phillies are naturally hesitant to part with him due to both Pedro Feliz and Chase Utely returning from injuries.  Right now, this rumor is officially dead.
  • In regards to the Giants, that one never got off the ground.  The pitcher coming back would have had to go to the 'pen, and apparently that wasn't in the cards.
  • With Jack Wilson, the Twins would want the Pirates to pay part of his salary...good luck with that.  Back to square one at shortstop.
  • Miguel Tejada-to-Minnesota rumors?  Dead.

Finally, and this is the best part, it's a quote from Brent Mayne, talking to LEN III about the character of the Winter Meetings:

"It’s like high school with cell phones and texting."

5:48 pm - Some due dilligence on Jack Wilson, while we wait for something else to crop up...

  • In 2009, Jack Wilson will be 31 and due $7.25 million dollars.
  • In 2010, Jack Wilson has an $8.4 million dollar option with a $600,000 buyout.
  • Wilson has had no more than two decent offensive seasons (2004, 2007), and is a career .269/.312/.375 hitter.
  • Historically, Wilson does play above average defense.  His RZR has been between .816 and .861 over the last five years, and there isn't a solid downward trend.
  • On April 6, 2008, Wilson hit the DL with a strained left calf; he returned May 27.  He also missed three weeks in September.  Prior to this, he'd never appeared in less than 135 games going back to 2001, his rookie season.
  • In the grand scheme of things, Wilson would represent a one-year committment.  He'd provide stability at shortstop and, hopefully, hit eighth.  Would he be a good acquisition?  I'm not convinced of that, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.  There are just better decisions to make than Jack Wilson, in my unsolicited opinion.

To read the rest of the update history (and there's been a bit of it today), be sure to read on after the jump!

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4:04 pm - More from Ken Rosenthal:  sounds like five teams are interested in David Eckstein.  While Rosenthal runs through the Padres, Pirates and Orioles, I have to think that the Twins might be in on that mix as well.  That's not official of course, but he's a Twins-type at a position of need.  Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised...

3:44 pm - LEN III is back with his afternoon update!

  • Not only are the Phillies running "due dilligence" on 23-year old Delmon Young, but it sounds like the Giants are interested as well.
  • Neal doesn't know who the Twins would like in return from San Francisco, but says "The Twins do like Jason Donald".  (See below for a brief on the Philadelphia prospect.)  He's had a good time in the AFL.  A pair of sources believe Donald will end up as a third baseman, instead of a shortstop or second baseman.
  • Sounds like Dennys Reyes might be the next overweight former-Twin southpaw to pitch for the Reds.

2:49 pm - Ken Rosenthal says the Tigers have signed Adam Everett to a one-year deal worth $1 million, plus incentives.  Bless You Boys is on top of it, but they don't seem too excited about it.  It was between Everett and Jack Wilson, and neither one is worth getting excited over.

2:17 pm - A couple more bits and bobs, and then a quick cruise around some of the relevant SB Nation sites, to see what they have to say about being involved in Twins rumors.

  • As brought up in the comments, Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has suggested that the Twins are emerging as a suitor for Pirates' shortstop Jack Wilson, now that leading contender Detroit appears to be on the verge of signing Adam Everett.  Please, let it not be true!
  • Bucs Dugout is currently silent on the idea for the moment, but it's been brought up in the comments.  The Pirates are constantly rebuilding, I'm sure they could find something in our system they'd like.
  • The Good Phight in Philadelphia hasn't commented on the Delmon Young rumor yet, but I'll keep checking back.
  • Crawfish Boxes reports on the news that Miguel Tejada could be dangling, but they aren't too optimistic about either A) getting him traded or B) getting something decent in return for a declining star.
  • Purple Row in Colorado doesn't have anything Twins-related being discussed, but they are debating Jason Marquis.
  • Finally, one of my favorite SB Nation sites, DRays Bay, charts out potential targets.  Interesting...no Delmon Young?  (Please read heavy sarcasm.)

1:48 pm - Over at MLB Trade Rumors, Tim Dierkes points us to the Philadelphia Daily News.  There, Paul Hagen reports that the Phillies have expressed interest in Delmon Young.  He speculates that the Philadelphia front office may balk when the Twins inevitably ask for Jason Donald in return.

Donald, 24 next season, was a third round draft pick by the Phillies in 2006.  He's a middle-infield prospect who hit .304/.389/.494 in 414 plate appearances in double-A this last season.  He's definitely a better middle-infield prospect than anything in the upper echelons of the Minnesota farm system right now.

1:10 pm - A couple more brief updates...

  • Jayson Stark says a source can guarantee that the Rays wouldn't take Delmon Young back.
  • The Dodgers have made an offer to Casey Blake, according to Ken Rosenthal.  No news on what type of offer, but we already know what Blake is looking for.
  • In the comments of his blog update (check it out for the results of the Hall of Fame vote), LEN III says he hasn't heard of any interest in Tejada on behalf of the Twins, but readily admits that, essentially, things can happen before they're heard about.

12:45 pm - From Ken Rosenthal:

Shortstop Miguel Tejada is another story. The Astros are willing to trade him, and are drawing interest from several teams, including some with openings at both shortstop and third base. The Twins are one team that fits that description.

Tejada is guaranteed $13 million next season and the Astros recognize that they would need to assume a portion of that salary in any trade.

This has already been briefly discussed in the comments, so feel free to jump in on the conversation.  It sounds like Tejada could be used for a plug-in at short or at third.  Could the Twins do this?  Absolutely.  Do I like the idea?  Not really.  Do you like it?  Make your voice heard.

11:15 am - Nick Cafardo at the Boston Globe does some speculating across the baseball world, but that's all it is:  speculation.  Here's what he had to say about the Twins:

  • In a story that is dated December 7th, he states the Twins are talking to Casey Blake about third base.  This doesn't jive with what we've heard over the last few days at all.
  • Cafardo throws out a list of other third basemen that Minnesota could be looking at to upgrade third base...and it's pretty much a comprehensive list of third basemen who could be available:  Garrett Atkins, Adrian Beltre and Mike Lowell.
  • Invoking some excitement he says J.J. Hardy could be had from the Brewers for a package around either outfielders for starting pitchers.  We've discussed this here before.
  • The Twins "may also keep Michael Cuddyer and consider him for third base."  Sigh.  No.  A thousand times, no.
  • Finally, he suggests that Delmon Young could be the odd man out, in another trade with the Rays.  If Young is to get traded, it makes no sense to deal him back to the team that already felt as though he was worth getting rid of.  To maximize what they could get back from Young at this juncture, the one team they shouldn't be talking to is Tampa Bay.  Maybe it's just me, but I think that's obvious.

10:59 am - Some non-baseball related Minnesota sports stuff to keep you distracted at work while you wait impatiently for random Twins nuggets...

  • Huh.  The Wolves fired their coach.  Again.  McHale's taking over.  Again.  All sports have idiot owners, and in any business there will be pride, but how long until Taylor is convinced that he can no longer run the franchise?
  • Vikes won again yesterday on the back of T-Jack.  I still think Randall Cunningham every time I see number 7 in purple.  Lions = Still dead.  Packers = dead.  Bears = Hot on our tails.  Vikings = Control their own destiny.  On a scale of 1 to 10 of awesomeness, Adrian Peterson is a 13, minimum.  Off the scale.
  • Check out the game charts over at The Daily Gopher.  I admit I'm not as into collegiate sports as professional sports, but this site pretty much covers it all.  Great stuff.
  • Last, but not least, the Wild have only allowed 56 goals this season.  Awesome?  Yes.  But alas, they remain stuck on 31 points after dropping a tight one to Vancouver on Saturday.  Ish.

9:05 am - A few more random Twins tidbits...

  • According to Ken Rosenthal, both Adam Everett and Nick Punto are being looked at to solve Detroit's issues at short.  The Tigers just picked up their new catcher in Gerald Laird (.276/.329/.398 with the Rangers in '08), which tells me that the Motor City boys might be getting into "just-get-by" mode...which is sort of a holding pattern teams go into before hitting a full rebuild.  But, that's just an outsider's perspective.
  • The Cubs, apparently, are interested in Brian Roberts.  If he's available, I'm not opposed to reopening the Casilla-to-short conversation.  I'm sure it's not ideal, but at least it's an option.  It's not exactly moving Cuddyer back to third (or second).
  • As Andersklasen mentioned in the comments, Arizona might be targeting Punto as well.  Should be a busy week for our little scrapper.

7:20am - Swing over to the Strib to check out LEN III's late-night edition:

  • The front office is holding a strategic meeting this morning to discuss their direction and priorities over the coming week.  Says Assistant General Manager Rob Antony:  "We're ready to get after it."
  • Dennys Reyes has declined arbitration, meaning the Twins will get a supplemental pick in June.  Sounds like he's seeking a three-year deal worth $4 million a season.  In other news, Glen "Always something fresh and new at" Perkins remains the only Twin on the 25-man roster with whom we can make family restaurant puns.
  • Nick Punto might have a starting job available with the Dodgers, but wants "to win a World Series with [the Twins]."  Also interested:  Phillies, Mets.  He'll have a number of meetings over the next couple of days.

Keep checking back for updates, and be sure to post your own findings and speculation in the comments!

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Family restaurant puns...

…just realized I missed Scott Bakers Square.

Not as good.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 8:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Another Punto Rumor

From AZcentral.com, Nick Piecoro thinks Arizona is in the running for LNP, saying:

A few names to add to the list of free agents the Diamondbacks have expressed interest in. Infielder Nick Punto and left-handers Joe Beimel and Arthur Rhodes.

Punto, who has a good glove and runs well, would be an option at second base, joining the likes of Ramon Vazquez, Mark Loretta, Damion Easley and Ray Durham, all of whom the Diamondbacks have had some degree of contact with.

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by Andersklasen on Dec 8, 2008 9:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dennys "Grand Slam Breakfast" Reyes

I’ll miss his fat face.

There has to be a restaurant in the south with the name “Boof” in it. Boof’s Bignets or something. I know it’s not a chain, yet, but still…

Of course there is Nathan B’s, which I think is a chain.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Just checked. Nathan B’s is a ma-and-pa place in St. Cloud I drive by every time I visit the in laws (never eaten there). It is not a chain.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We might still allow it.

I can’t call a foul on a pun based on a technicality.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nathan's Famous

We can’t forget to Nathan’s Famous Hot Dogs! Delicious!

New to posting here, but have been reading for a while!

by ericb on Dec 8, 2008 8:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Roberts

Said it before, would love a Casilla-Roberts SS-2B combination. Would require pitching and maybe Harris in return. I haven’t heard anything saying Casilla could not go back to SS due to defensive deficiencies, etc. Anyone else?

by Adam Peterson on Dec 8, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not.

If I’d heard or read that, but if anyone else has heard this info I hope they share. It’s a bit more feasible to see him shifting to second than doing something drastic with Cuddyer.

Also, I just read that Mark Grudzielanek declined arbitration from the Royals. I could see the Twins throwing some change at him for a season.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From what I've seen

And I’m far from a scout but Casilla obviously has the arm to play SS, hell his arm would play fine at 3B or even RF possibly. He also seems to have the range to play at SS and the only concern I ever remember hearing is his glove turns into a rock from time to time. However that could be more because he’s getting to balls that other guys wouldn’t and at least knocking them down rather than seeing them go to the outfield. So the Twins might be worried about him being a bit more exposed at SS but to hell with it, I think he can handle and um, I have a keyboard so they should trust my opinions.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Casilla's got a good glove

He just rushes sometimes and overruns the ball. But that’s kind of an old problem that he’s mostly fixed. I would be happy with Casilla at short as long as the Twins get someone like Roberts or Uggla for second.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I didnt mean to sound as though I was against a Casilla to SS move, I was just pointing out the only real knocks I’ve heard against him. You’re right he did seem much better this year than in the past, but then again that was at 2B.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cano

Along with Roberts/Uggla I really wish we were in on the Cano conversations. He’s obviously a sell low candidate as he wasn’t even available in the Santana trade last year and now they’re talking about trading him for a CF, of which we have 3(Span,Gomez, Pridie), and pitching, of which we have plenty.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to buy low on Cano, but

probably not worth the cost. Cano could be had for Span plus pitching, probably not that much of it. I’ve heard from multiple folks that Cano’s problems have largely been motivational, and that one of the Yankees bench coaches that went to the Dodgers with Torre last year would ride Cano hard all year until he finally came around in the second half. Last year, it took even longer than normal for Cano to turn it around. Coincidence? Perhaps not. Also, he’s another out machine, draws few walks.

Bottom line, I’d have a hard time trading Span for Cano even up, even though we could potentially be buying low on Cano and selling high on Span. I don’t think Span’s OBP was a fluke, and that (with his defense) is what we need from a leadoff/OF guy. Anyway, I doubt NY would even be willing to trade Cano for Span, they’d want another pitcher like Perkins or Blackburn…definitely not in that case.

by Adam Peterson on Dec 8, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Young for Cano?

That’s a pretty even trade, me thinks. Two guys who could use a change of scenery.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ick.

I never liked Cano though.

1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems reasonable to me..

Cano’s stock is definitely low. I see him as a .315/.350/.500 kind of guy for years to come. He doesn’t walk a lot yes, but he doesn’t strikeout too much either. I don’t think his glove is as bad as some believe. Yankee fans have been way too harsh on the guy.

Honestly, I’d trade him for any one of our outfielders.

by Piranah14 on Dec 8, 2008 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everett - Punto in Detroit

Doubly good. Detroit can have them, would love to face 19 times a year…

by Adam Peterson on Dec 8, 2008 12:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Hope they sign Lamb, Sierra, White, Bautista, and Cirillo while their at it.

Detroit is in a world of hurt. The team is old and slow. They’ve got a few arms, but not enough. They’re farm system is a wreck. And the economy will hit them particularly hard. What was that about Dombrowski for GM of the year and Leyland for manager of the year? Ha! That’s the last time anybody votes for that dynamic duo.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tejada

He’s on the block now. Ken Rosenthal is saying the Twins could be in the mix. Astros are prepared to eat at least some of the $13 million he has due for 2009 (the final year of his contract). The power is diminishing, he’s listed at 34 years old, and he doesn’t walk. However, his presence might help Morneau see a few more fastballs.

Yay or nay?

by TMW on Dec 8, 2008 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i would be for tejade if the astros eat a bunch of his contract.

what would they want in return? blackburn?

everything Rays,Marlins,Twins and Reds

by RaysOfHope on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going nay.

For a team that pushes fundamentals and effort, Tejada is notorious for not working out in the off-season. I read this too and did a bit of research, and I’m not just impressed with him at this point of his career. He’s another guy who doesn’t walk, swings at lots of balls outside the strike zone, and it’s been a couple of years since he’s been a real offensive force. He’ll be 35 for 2009, too. In the field, he’s still pretty good fundamentally, but he’s lost range over the last few years as well.

He might help, sure…but I think I’d still rather make a deal for someone like Yunel Escobar or Adrian Beltre.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ahem

supplements

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

he’s definitely another one that’s easy to suspect.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He was in the Mitchell Report, wasn’t he?

Also, he’s one of the guys who claimed he was 29 but was really 54 with several grandchildren (note: that was hyperbole, but he did recently add two years to his “official” age).

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Dec 8, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mitchell

Had him as a steroid user before the tests. The league decided not to punish him. Since then, who knows?

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nay

Yes, his presence would help Morneau, but his defense is awful and he’s had attitude problems. Plus we’d give up something to get him.

Offensively, his OPS last year was 729, continuing his free fall from 877 in 2006 and 799 in 2007. By comparison, Punto was at 724 last year.

My numbers have Tejada at -18.2 runs (compared to average, -16.8 batting, -1.4 running) in 2008. Again, by comparison, I have Punto at -5.6 (-5.2 batting, -0.4 running). That’s a 12.6 run gap before we even get to defense…

No thanks. Bad fielder, attitude problems, problems hitting the past couple years. There are many other better options.

by Adam Peterson on Dec 8, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

I don’t see Tejada as being an upgrade at 3b offensively. I don’t think I want to see him defensively at SS. He has Delmon Young Power now 38 2bs and 13 HRs.

by doofus on Dec 8, 2008 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jack Wilson to the Twins???

at mlbtraderumors Tim Dierkes is saying the Tigers are set to sign Adam Everett and the Twins have emerged as suitors for Jack Wilson. Hmm, wonder what it would take to get him and if signing him would mean the Twins go after a big bat at 3B like Beltre.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Argh!

Please, no Jack Wilson! Bad hitter, okay defender. The guy hit .272/.312/.348 last season, I really don’t want him. I’d rather have Nick Punto at the right price.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hadn't considered him much before hearing this

I just looked at his sub. 700 OPS career and can definitively say yuck. Yes, he’s supposedly a great defensive SS but that was the word on Everett too and look how that turned out for us. At least Everett was cheap unlike Wilson and his bloated contract. I don’t think the Twins should be going after a one or two year stopgap at shortstop and instead should be looking for someone long term. If there’s any truth to the rumor about us going after Donald then let’s just resign Punto for a year until Donald is MLB ready. jeez, speculating about what we should do if a different speculation turns out to happen, talk about hot stove season, dang.

NO JACK WILSON!!!!!

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Donald

might be MLB ready this year.

1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He might be the best available option

He looks like a legit long-term option anyway.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like him

a lot Like I liked Lowrie last offseason I was in favor of the Lester/Lowrie/Masterson+one other guy option or the Ells/lowrie/+ option because of Lowrie more than ellsbury or lester which was crazy given the information available at the time.

1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Donald

Saw this at Twins Geek:

Jason Donald, the shortstop prospect of the Philadelphia Phillies. He’s right-handed and did fairly well in AA (.307/.391/.458)…I’m sure the Twins would love to have him in their organization.

But he also doesn’t profile as someone the Twins would assume is ready for a starting major league job this spring.

It got me thinking about Knobby’s jump from AA. When I look at the numbers (Donald, Knobby), they are pretty similar except for HRs and SLG.

So how big of a difference is 2 years? Could be an interesting gamble depending on how much stock you place in it.

by GACTwinFan on Dec 8, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Donald, from what I've read.

But I still think that giving up on Delmon after one season is too soon. Still…it’d be tempting if Donald and a bullpen arm were included.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If that's true

Then I’m more for this trade than previously. I’d still like to hold onto Delmon Young unless we’re blown away, I’d really like to see if we’re getting something else with Donald for Young.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get the love for Jack Wilson

Career OPS: 687
Injured last year
Above average defensively

How is he different from Nick Punto?

If we knew we’d get Jack Wilson a la 2004 (794 OPS) or 2007 (790 OPS), he would be a good idea. However, he’s had some really bad years to bring the career OPS down so far.

by Adam Peterson on Dec 8, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope not

We better not be trading for Wilson. I wouold rather the Twins agree to the third year for Blake. That way we’d only be potentially wasting one year at 6 million.

by doofus on Dec 8, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like the Dodgers might beat us to that one...which is fine with me.

LA has offered Blake a deal, and at this point the speculation is that they’ve caved and offered the third year.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gleeman

is reporting that the Twins and Phillies are taking about a Donald and Young Swap. The one I asked about yesterday in the meetings prep section. Although he doesn’t mention a reliever, I hope the trade can be expanded to include one.

UPDATE: Now there’s some talk of interest in Delmon Young picking up, with the Phillies being linked to him. Philadelphia has a hole in the outfield with Pat Burrell not expected to re-sign and could offer up shortstop prospect Jason Donald, so the rumors could have some legs.

by doofus on Dec 8, 2008 4:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Donald

Baseballcube page looks good. His power could be more encouraging, but he can hit thus far in his career. Would he be ready in 09?

by TMW on Dec 8, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From the

guys LEN III talked to, one of them said he should definitely start the year in AAA. But if he does well there, I could see the Twins calling him up at some point. If he does figure as a third baseman at some point though, that clogs things up a bit for Luke Hughes and Danny Valencia.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3B??

Where did you hear that at? If he profiles as an eventual 3B then I don’t like the trade. If the Twins are going after a prospect it should be a middle infielder.

We could get by with Tolbert/Harris at SS until partway through the season if we are able to get a deal on a guy who’s not quite ready.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Check out LEN III's blog post that I linked to in the 3:44pm update.

He talked to a couple of guys about Donald, and both felt he’d eventually turn out to be a third baseman.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oops

I looked right at that article and somehow missed that sentence, selective reading I guess. I’m not a fan of this trade then if it gives us another guy who’s going to be a 3B prospect that’s a year away. We already have 2 similar guys in Hughes and Valencia then.

However, it could be that if he stays with the Phillies he would be blocked by Rollins and Utley from becoming a MI so the word is he’ll be a 3B. Where as Pedro Feliz only has one year on his contract so it would make sense for them to be grooming a 3B replacement.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair points.

There wasn’t much context in what LEN III said, so this could be very true.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hughes and

Valencia don’t offer the same production offencively. and both profile as below average on D.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree

All of these guys are virtually the same age. During his time in AA this year Hughes hit better than Donald and then more than held his own at AAA. However like you said, he doesn’t profile as a great defender, especially since he was moved to LF in Venezuela. I haven’t heard the same complaints about Valencias defense and he destroyed high A ball with a .920 OPS then came to AA and after a slow start rebounded to end the year with a .819 OPS

Donald has had two very successful offensive years now but to me Hughes and Valencia offer the same if not better production offensively.

My point was that if the Twins are going to go after a prospect it should be someone that is capable of playing MI not 3B as we have some pretty decent options near ML ready and even Buscher/Harris aren’t awful.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hughes

was repeating AA which knocks him down a peg in my eyes also it doesn’t really mean anything but Donald was the second best hitter in the AFL.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Age

The fact that Hughes was repeating AA shouldn’t matter that much really considering they’re the same age. If not for injury problems Hughes would have been in AAA sooner and most likely put up better numbers there as a whole as he struggled initially before hitting better late at AAA.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hughes and Valencia are not in the same class

Hughes is the worst defensive third baseman in the system. That includes Matt Moses and David Winfree. Valencia is the best defensive third baseman in the system. That includes Matt Macri and Travor Plouff.

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by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I don’t think Valencia has the hardest time in the MLB because he really doesn’t walk much and there are reports about him not being that selective.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Donalds career pro hitting line

.297 .384 .459 .843

Valencias

.305 .361 .485 .846

Yes Donald is a half level ahead of Valencia at this point but offensively they are pretty similar to this point. What Valencia lacks in OBP he makes up for with power.

Once again though my main point was we have a couple of pretty good 3B prospects and we’re lacking in the MI area for good prospects. I wouldn’t want the Twins trading someone like Delmon Young to get another 3B prospect even if he is a bit of an upgrade over the two that we have.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

he has much of a power advantage and it’s really hard to make up .070 points of OBP.

And yes another 3b prospect doesn’t make much sense but alot of people over estimate Valenica and Hughes IMO.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

.384-.361 = .07???

I think your math is screwed up. the difference in their OBP is .023 in favor of Donald and Valencias has the lead in SLG by .026. That’s my point.

I agree that Valencia and Hughes are being a bit overrated by Twins fans but I also think if Donald is going to be a 3B he’s just redundant of those two. He’s someone you can get hyped up about but definitely not a “can’t miss” prospect either.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 8, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in AA?

.391 vs .334 more like .06 but that leap shows a lot one player kept the ISO discipline one didn’t. BTW the .023 in OBP is way more important than the SLG.

In my eyes Valencias projects to a ..280/.330/470 guy best case Donald is more of a .285/.370/450 guy both best case. I take Donald’s bat every time. just my opinion.

Btw if you look deeper into Valencia’s stat line (which can be dangerous because of small sample size and such), you find flags with Donald you find less.

All of this is really a moot point because I think Donald is a SS or a 2b. You aren’t as sure at least in my understanding.

And your not the first that tried to change my opinion on Valencia either I had a long back and forth with at least 2 others I’m just not high on him.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Career

I was using the career numbers above. I’m not trying to change any opinion on Valencia, I’m just pointing out that IF Donald is nothing more than a 3B he’s not that much of an upgrade on Valencia. Once again the career minor league numbers as I stated before

Donald

.297 .384 .459 .843

Valencias

.305 .361 .485 .846

Not a huge difference there. Yes Valencia is roughly a half level behind Donald. What I also understand is that Valencia is a solid defender and he started out pretty slow in AA and rebounded to put up .289 .334 .485 .819.

I’m done discussing this because I feel like I’ve repeated myself 20 times, just wanted to point out I was not trying to change anyones opinion on Valencia more just pointing out that Donald as a 3B, not worth it. Donald as 2B/SS definitely worth it.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 9, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Donlad only has value as a SS

The Twins can’t be interested in him as a 3B. Your numbers demonstrate that quite well.

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by cmathewson on Dec 10, 2008 8:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keith law

said 2b or SS.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a link for this?

I’m curious to see what Law says about Donald.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In his last

SN chat.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here

Dan (Atlantic City, NJ): Speaking of Delmon Young, what prospects might the Phillies need to include with Jason Donald to land him?

SportsNation Keith Law: I wouldn’t offer too much more than that. Donald’s going to be at least an average everyday 2b, could be an average everyday ss, and while I believe Young will hit for more power if he gets away from Minnesota, I wouldn’t pay full value on that expectation.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I sometimes wonder, though,

about the pundits who seem to intricately know the players on every team and in every farm system. I’m not saying that Law doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but it’s in direct contradiction with two baseball officials.

Either way, he’s been groomed to play short up to this point in his career. So he can do it. He’d probably just need a bit more time to see some triple-A pitching.

by Jesse on Dec 8, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Contradiction...

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by Andersklasen on Dec 8, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah 2 out of what like

200? at least. Remember back when there was no way Lowrie could stick at SS?

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's hard to

project the concenus when you only have 2-4 opinions out of 200-300

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They picked him up last year

after we said goodbye. That’s kind of funny, because I don’t remember them trotting him out much. The Crew, I think, are looking for a full-timer at third – at least until Gamel is ready.

by Chuck Tweedy on Dec 8, 2008 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Garmel likely won’t stick at 3b.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Young Trade

In my opinion, trading Young for a SS prospect at this point would be pretty stupid. He hit .290 last year. I guarantee you, as soon as we trade him, he’ll start hitting 30+ homeruns a year. If we’re gonna trade Young it would have to be for a more immediate hole filler at 3b or SS.

by ianmader on Dec 8, 2008 11:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness...

We could see Donald in the Metrodome as soon as late 2009.

But, like said above, he probably won’t be much more than an average shortstop with some extra pop.

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by Andersklasen on Dec 8, 2008 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well an average ss

is really just Orlando Cabeara which is far below what donald could hit.

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by FrozenTed9 on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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