Twins interested in Josh Fogg
The Denver Post is reporting that the Twins have had contact with Fogg's agent. No offer has been made but that an offer could be made as early as today if Santana's extension with the Mets is worked out.
As many have expected, the Twins will try to pick up a veteran pitcher if Santana's extension with the Mets is worked out. It is pretty slim pickings with the veterans that are remaining especially when you consider that Fogg made over 3 million last year.
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Ick!!
Gives up a lot of hits.
Walks too many considering.
And yes, he has made his starts, but he hasn't thrown a huge number of innings, so will he get deeper into games than the young guys?
by SethSpeaks on Feb 1, 2008 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No way
Between Liriano/Baker/Bonser/Slowey/Perkins/Blackburn/Mulvey/Humber I think we can get better production than Josh Fogg.
How much do we really need an inning eater?
by Adam Peterson on Feb 1, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Minor-league deal
by cmathewson on Feb 1, 2008 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well let's see
He's not particularly good; in fact he's fairly bad. But he's remarkably consistent. He pitches 170 innings, gives up 25 homers, walks 60 guys and K's 90 basically every single year. The fluctuations in his ERA+ are fairly small, but seem to be explained by slight fluctuations in HRs and then his hit luck.
Here's the question: Whose job does he take to start the year? If Fogg is signed, my guess is we'll be looking at (in no particular order):
Baker
Fogg
Liriano
Bonser
Slowey
Leaving Blackburn, Humber, Perkins out. (Mulvey and Duensing too, but I doubt they are really in the plans regardless of Fogg for April). Frankly, that's OK with me--the opportunities will be there at some point. The one I would regret is Perkins--at some point I'd like to see him get a clean start in the rotation.
It seems a bit redundant to sign the guy, but I don't think it unfairly holds anyone back.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 1, 2008 11:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You never have enough pitching
Remember: the Twins typically need somewhere between 10 and 12 different starters throughout the season.
Fill the stable and let's see who wants to gallop.
by Old Twins Cap on Feb 1, 2008 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who wants to gallop?
I do agree that you can never have enough pitching. For example, we've got Liriano/Baker/Bonser/Slowey/Perkins/Blackburn/Mulvey/Humber/Duensing ...
On second thought, I change my mind. In our case, we're an exception. We have enough.
And let's see who wants to gallop. It's a no-brainer.
by adam on Feb 1, 2008 12:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not against it.
I've been extremely worried about this bullpen and I'm worried that Bill Smith hasn't reinforced it all this winter. Nathan didn't have an effective slider in 07, Neshek isn't stretched out yet to safely make 75-80 appearances, Crain is coming off surgery, and Guerrier struggled when he was asked to step up in higher pressure situations. The other two are Rincon and Reyes. This team is really going to miss Carlos Silva's innings and signing someone like Fogg makes perfect sense to me.
Also Fogg has pitched in the bandboxes of Coors Field and PNC. So there's some statistical adjustment needed for his ERA and HR/9.
by TheMattWilke on Feb 1, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Price is right
The Twins have two starters who might hit 200 innings...Boof and Baker...might!
They have Slowey and Humber, both who could hit 160-180.
Liriano and Perkins would both probably till in the 150 range.
They need someone to make 5-10 starts (Fogg) and a couple of guys to make a half-dozen starts sometime during the season (Duensing, Day, Blackburn.
Next year, hopefully, the Twins will have five young starters capable of hitting 200 innings each, with a couple of prospects in the wings.
So, if they get a guy to start the season while someone gets their work in at AAA (Liriano, Perkins, Slowey) and maybe pitches decently, they can swap him out (a la Ortiz) for another prospect.
Again, it all depends on the cost.
by twintown on Feb 1, 2008 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Blackburn
by caseintheface on Feb 1, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blackburn>>Fogg
by cmathewson on Feb 1, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz
3-1 2.57ERA 35 IP over 5 starts
insane.
His May starts?
0-3 10.97 ERA 21.1 IP over 5 starts
by halfchest on Feb 1, 2008 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Haha, well said.
I'd be agsint this deal. He doesn't proved any extra value over the youngsters and just takes chances away from the young guys. if we're rebuilding our staff this year anyway, I'd like too see what SLowey, Bonser, and Baker can do when they are considered the leading guys. I'd like too see Blackburn, Humber, and Perkins given shots to stick around. If Liriano needs a rest start, you could always keep Perkins in the bullpen and have him spot start. That would be ideal I suppose. Why waste time on a guy who puts up 5.00 ERA's in the national league?
We have plenty of young horses, let THEM see who can gallop.
by AdamOnFirst on Feb 1, 2008 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just say no to Fogg...
by djskilbr on Feb 1, 2008 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If
by joeywyen on Feb 1, 2008 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where does he go?
by twintown on Feb 1, 2008 8:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Price Would Be Low Enough for Fogg
Here are the strongest arguments I can come up with FOR signing him:
- He's cheap
- He's consistent and MAY perform better than some of our youngsters
- He reliable, and will be able to put up a lot of innings in a rotation that may not.
- He's not that cheap, compared to the alternative serfs
- If he is performing better than our youngsters, this will be a terrible baseball team and we might as well just give the young guys the experience to get better. (This is the argument that if we need a couple extra wins from him, we don't need a couple extra wins).
- We will have no problem coming up with 1,500 innings. We have no less than 10 pitchers in who either qualify to start in the bigs, or are knocking on the door. (Baker, Blackburn, Bonser, Duensing, Guerrier, Humber, Liriano, Mulvey, Perkins, Slowey). As long as we carry 12 pitchers, and assume that some will get sent down / called up over the course of the season, we can easily put them in for 5 innings at a time.
Strongest Argument Against: We only have so much space at AAA and AA for all the pitchers that need innings. Fogg forces us to find space for another.
by snolls on Feb 2, 2008 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
by cmathewson on Feb 2, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't have said it better
by adam on Feb 2, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody kill me
At least the Twins could save a little cash by not having to buy a new uniform for Josh Fogg.
by JBrown2818 on Feb 5, 2008 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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