Minnesota Twins @ Oakland Athletics GameThread, Apr 24, 2008 3:35 PM EDT

Game 22: Twins @ Athletics

by Jesse on Apr 24, 2008 2:02 PM EDT in Game Threads Comment 9 comments

Minnesota Twins at Oakland Athletics, Apr 24, 2008 3:35 PM EDT

Francisco Liriano VS Greg Smith

	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2008 - Francisco Liriano	0-2	2	2	0	0	0	0	9.2	10	7	7	0	10	7	6.52	2.07

	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2008 - Greg Smith	1-0	3	3	0	0	0	0	18.0	14	8	6	2	7	13	3.00	1.17

GO TWINS!!

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Liriano's season numbers after the game...

W-L G GS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
0-3 2 2 10.1 16 13 13 0 13 7 14.93 2.52

Not pretty.

by dwintheiser on Apr 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shazbot

Yeesh, he just does not look like a MLB pitcher right now. On Gameday, his fastball was 90-92 (no surprise) and all over the stinkin’ place. If Pitchf/x is to be trusted, he just has no idea where that thing is going right now.

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by ravenfly on Apr 24, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I saw the game on mlb.tv today...

...and yes, his pitches were all over the place.

A big part of control and command seems to be reproducing your delivery exactly from one pitch to the next. Having taken roughly 1.5 years off from pitching, I guess I can understand where it would be hard to get that back. It’s going to take a long time for him to get back to being effective, if it happens at all.

by ubelmann on Apr 24, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 losses in 2 starts, huh?

That is bad. :)

by ubelmann on Apr 24, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow was that ugly!

Well, it doesn’t get much uglier than that! The good thing about this game is that it was pretty much hopeless once the first inning was history. (Maybe you can’t take a knee in MLB, but when your the Twins in 2008, 6 runs in the first is lets the other team take a delay of game penalty because they are so confident :-))

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by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Apr 24, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dr. Frankenstein's experiment

He has never looked ready, even in his last spring training start. Yet they promoted him.

That decision was not made on the basis of performance. But AAA staffs can oversee rehabilitation just fine.

So what don’t the Twins trust? Liriano out of their sight, or the minor league staff?

Catching a fly ball is a pleasure. Knowing what to do with it after you catch it is a business.

by Firpo Marberry on Apr 24, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reading between the lines...

...I got the impression that Gardenhire felt that, having seen the big time, Liriano was slacking off at AAA, and that he would give more effort with the Twins than he would with the Red Wings, and that that would make his major league performance acceptable. Things certainly haven’t worked out that way so far.

So I would vote for the Twins not trusting Liriano out of their sight, rather than not trusting their minor league staff. That is, of course, an inference based on limited information.

by ubelmann on Apr 24, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was at the game today in section 216, Row 2

That’s behind home plate and had a perfect view of this train wreck. It was awful, just awful. Going by the speed on the stadium gun and his delivery he was pitching BP to the A’s. When you add the fact he had no control what so ever it was bad BP.

Rochester felt strong enough that he wasn’t ready to come up that the coach made comments to the press and the Twins ignored the advice. The losses for the Twins when he has started is on Gardy as far as I’m concerned.

I don’t know if it’s mental or physical but the Kid is not healthy and needs to go back to the minors. Anyone in Rochester would be better or let Shaggy or Bass join the rotation. Regardless of their stuff they have one thing on the Kid, they are healthy.

I won’t call him Franchise until he turns it around, b/c if he’s the Franchise the Twins are in big trouble for now.

One last thing, if he goes back to AAA and doesn’t work his ass off to get it back and join the Twins, then he was never really going to be someone the Twins could win with. He may have tons of talent in that arm, but without the mental side of pitching, he will not succeed. Good Luck Kid, I hope sometime this season you will WOW all of us again.

GO TWINS!

by caluofmn on Apr 24, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Delivery

What the Twins are trying to do with his delivery is a bad idea right now. He looks lethargic with the ball coming out of his hand, and the ball moves lethargically. That is very very far from how he used to pitch.

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~ Earl Weaver
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by AdamOnFirst on Apr 25, 2008 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs