Rage Against the Machine
There's a lot of anger out there when the home team fails. It's not a good thing.

There’s something inside most of us that wants to unleash some rage after the home team loses. There’s something inside of us that wants someone to express our outrage and deliver our wrath. Then again, I look around, and I don’t see any shortage of Pete Franklins out there. I would say in the sports world today, wrath is being delivered.
- Joe Posnanski
I've recently discovered joeposnanski.com , the blog belonging to the celebrated KC sportswriter, and I'm having a blast reading through his archives. But when I came across his essay 'Anger (at) Management' from late November of last year, I started thinking about what I'd seen online of late.
Go read the comments on Joe Christiansen's blog, or on Aaron Gleeman's blog, or really on any blog that gets a sizable amount of traffic from folks who'd be considered 'lunchpail sports fans'. Heck, we even see it here in the longer game threads. There are people out there who really get pissed off when the sports world doesn't match up with the way they think it ought to be.
Here's the kicker: for these people, when these bad things happen, it's not because pro sports are played at a very high level and it's hard to sustain that high level on a consistent basis, or because sometimes balls bounce funny and weird and unpredictable things happen. No, it's much simpler and more accountable than that:
- When Francisco Liriano comes back from an 18-month hiatus and shows that he's still not fully recovered from Tommy John surgery, it's not because it's probably harder to come back from TJ surgery than some folks have speculated (after all, look at Joe Mays), it's because Liriano is 'lazy'.
- When Ron Gardenhire turns to Juan Rincon instead of Joe Nathan in the bottom of the 10th in a tie game, and Rincon gives up the game-winning run, it's not the downside of a calculated risk that would have allowed you to go with your own best reliever in the event that you do manage to get a lead in extra innings but still have to face the opposing lineup one more time. No, it's another brick in the 'Ron Gardenhire is an idiot ' wall.
My favorite in all this has to be the ongoing saga of the Twins Hitting Coach.
In 2005, with a struggling Twins offense being a major factor in the club being unable to win a fourth consecutive AL Central title, then-hitting coach Scott Ullger came under a whole lot of criticism from fans and bloggers alike. Why wasn't Ullger showing Joe Mauer how to hit for power, Justin Morneau how to stay consistent for a full season, and Nick Punto...well, anything? It may have been bowing to fan pressure, or it may have been a front-office realization that it would be a heck of a lot easier and cheaper to replace the hitting coach than to replace four or five guys who weren't hitting with guys who'd likely be better hitters, but before the 2006 season, Ullger was moved to third-base coach and Joe Vavra was promoted from minor league coordinator to hitting coach.
At the time I remember wondering what it was about making sure the batting cages and other equipment in Rochester were put away before gametime that would qualify a guy to be a big-league hitting coach, but the Twins had a magical 2006 season in which most of their offensive regulars had career years and they won the Central again, so obviously something worked, right?
Well, flash-forward to 2008, and once again the Strib's blogs are beginning to fill with mutterings about how Joe Vavra obviously isn't a big-league hitting coach because the Twins offense is back in the toilet. It can't be that the Twins play in a ballpark that's become more and more pitcher-friendly over the years (the Metrodome's multi-year park factor for 2007 was 96 according to baseball-reference.co, with anything below 100 being favorable to pitchers). No, when bad things happen, there has to be someone who can be blamed, so dammit, we're going to dig until we find someone to blame!
Now I'll admit that I occasionally throw a few bombs out there just to see who's paying attention and how they'll react, and I have to say that for the most part this community is pretty solid at looking at facts and solid speculation rather than just hopping on the emotional rollercoaster. (Actually, BD57's post on Liriano and the response to that is probably an even better indicator of the degree to which the folks who cruise around here aren't your typical Joe Sixpack sports fans.) It just astonishes me that so many 'fans' seem to be using their fandom as an excuse to be vindictive, bitter bullies against anything that doesn't go the way they think it should go. In that sense, it seems almost eerie that 1500 KSTP radio would feature at least one plug every half-inning for former Strib sportswriter-turned-radio-blowhard Joe Soucheray.
Or am I in the minority on that, too?
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I think a lot of analysts are too lazy to search for the root of the problem.
Instead of saying the offense is off to a slow start, or breaking down how each hitter is having troubles at the plate, it’s much too easy to forget (or assume other people will forget) what had been said a couple of years ago. And it’s a shame because instead of making a real assessment, people who are supposed to be authorities reach for the answer that can be written in 40 minutes. The research is easier to find when you want to blame the hitting coach, and the opinion has easier defense points because the core of the argument is emotional. People can identify with it, use it as an outlet for their frustrations, then throw the thought away feeling justified.
Part of the problem might be all the praise that was heaped onto Vavra in ‘06, when the authorities should have analyzed why and how the hitters were succeeding, instead of automatically going to the hitting coach well. Now, just two years later, they’re contradicting themselves. It doesn’t just make blaming Vavra sound hollow, it pulls the rug out from under whatever argument they made for him in 2006. Even worse, both of those things should raise serious issues about how much these authorities can actually help you learn about the game.
I’m incredibly proud of this community. Our traffic has grown substantially since we’ve started, but it hasn’t exploded. And that’s okay, because to this point we aren’t attracting that mass audience who shows up and tosses out subjective and spiteful one-liners about Gardenhire’s management style. Truthfully, I think the general intelligence of the community here is a reflection of the fact that we don’t get a whole lot of “lunchpail sports fans”. It’s much easier, and more emotionally and immediately satisfying, to come to a place where people are spouting off about the exact same things you were seething over…but I don’t think that happens a lot here. I like to think, and I could be delusional, that the readers we attract come to catch up on current events and to pick up some opinion and maybe a little analysis. We have a long way to go in that regard, I’m always looking to get better, but I think we do pretty well in a saturated Twins blogosphere. I will always strive to differentiate this site from some of the major outlets you mention, and I hope that this community continues to hold up as it has without looking for that easy answer.
Long way of saying….no, I don’t think you’re in the minority. At least, not on this one. :)
by Jesse on Apr 27, 2008 2:59 PM EDT 0 recs
Strib blogs
If the Strib blogs represent what lunchpail fans are thinking, I’m embarrassed by my fellow Twins fans. What you see from too many posters in that crowd is a lack of perspective. They focus on what happened in a particular game or even a particular at bat and then they generalize those mistakes as the focus of their criticism.
The most comical surrounded Joe C.’s calling for Gomez to get demoted. Of the 300 or so responses, they were about equally split. Those who called for Gomez to get sent down focussed solely on his previous 10 at bats to make claims such as “I don’t think he’ll ever be a successful major leaguer”. Then he homers on his first at bat after a one-game breather and some of the very same “fans” were piling on the praise.
I think this site works because most of us tend to take the long view, and look at multiple years worth of data rather than the last 10 at bats. We’re not Twins Pollyannas, like the DTFC moderators. And we’re not knee-jerk cynics, like Gleeman. We strive for balance, perhaps with a slant towards giving the team and its management the benefit of the doubt. And those who enjoy a balanced approach frequent this site. Like Jesse, I’m pretty proud of that.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Apr 27, 2008 3:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t post here as much as some, but I do read just about every word that goes up on this site in diaries and comments, and I keep coming back because the discussion here is head and shoulders above what you get anywhere else. Actually, most of the other SBN blogs I’ve visited (notably Royals Review and South Side Sox) maintain a good tone. Beats the hell out of the aforementioned blog comments on the Strib blogs (the blogs are great, but dear lord are the comment sections awful).
And c’mon, if nobody piled on Gardy for the unpopular decisions he makes or things he says, Firpo wouldn’t have anyone to troll ;)
formerly known in these parts as adamb
by ravenfly on Apr 27, 2008 3:44 PM EDT 0 recs
The Interweb attracts all kinds
And, in a situation, like the Strib, where you can post and run, there is no incentive to deal with issues in a substantive way. Posters there are fascinated by dipping their toes into discussions that go nowhere, and where bravado and over-the-top invective make the man.
That’s the Internet as Zoo phenomenon.
At least in an open-source format, where you can and should post diaries, as well as make comments on fellow posters’ thoughts, and thus accumulate a history, there is a level of responsibility and pushing dialogs in constructive directions, that leads to insight and creative analysis. Or, at least, that is the goal.
It’s still sports though, and so, there is a tendency to be emotional, unrealistic and lose track of the reality that the ball is round, the bat is round and the players are human. And that, ultimately, games don’t matter all that much in the grand scheme of the universe.
by Old Twins Cap on Apr 27, 2008 4:01 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm on board for all but the last sentence.
And that, ultimately, games don’t matter all that much in the grand scheme of the universe.
That could be said of anything. But life is only worth living if there’s something that matters to you, even if to some people it seems inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. It is only a game, but it’s a life to some people. And following it and analysing it can be gratifying to others.
But that opens up greater philosophical questions, which we probably shouldn’t discuss here.
You’re right about the Internet as Zoo thing tho—that’s exactly what it is. Some pens are just a bit more civilized than others.
by Jesse on
Apr 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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In the long run
we’re all dead. (I want to say… John Maynard Keynes?)
That’s important to keep at the forefront of all discussions, whether baseball or abortion. But, especially abortion.
by Old Twins Cap on
Apr 28, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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yes
JMK
also something like “When the facts change I change, what do you do?” which is either really funny or really insightful depending on the tone of voice I use in my head when I say it to myself.
http://noblingblings.blogspot.com/
by Aaron Fix on
Apr 28, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
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Commitment versus obsession
Jesse,
I get what you mean by being gratified by following a hobby or pastime; heck, TwinsGeek often writes about the pleasures of having a baseball community, where you’re already connected to a whole bunch of other people simply by your shared interest in what would otherwise be considered ‘just a game’. That can be very positive - I’ve personally had some very positive moments associated with my Twins blogging - and a good thing in general.
On the other hand, I think OTC has a point to make, too. The best way of putting that point into perspective is to say that, if your Sunday was ruined and you’re still upset at 2pm on Monday that the Twins were blown out 10-0 in Texas? Maybe you’re taking that pastime a bit too seriously. (Not saying that anybody here is doing so, but again, reviewing the universe of blogs provides any number of such candidates.)
by dwintheiser on
Apr 28, 2008 2:41 PM EDT
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Absolutely.
I agree 100%. Mostly I was trying to draw the line between allowing those things that do not matter to truly slide, and allowing everything to slide simply because all things end. It all depends on how you take it. But again…philosophical discussion for another space.
by Jesse on
Apr 30, 2008 6:35 AM EDT
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Listen Too
Listen to talk radio. Not only is it shocking how little almost everyone on KFAM knows about baseball (most of them usually can’t accurately name all the Twins players and describe them) but talk radio is, of course, the epitmomie of reactionary.
Most of it has to do with the majority of people don’t CARE to follow it closely enough. it takes an awful lot of damn time.
I kinda wrote a couple little rants on this lately, between the Gomez controversy and the Liriano’s work ethic discussions, we have a lot of people coming up with some pretty sweeping generalizations. It actually comes into play in most things in life. Most people tend to only consider the most memorable events. So a typical fan who only attends a couple games a year might like or hate a particular player based on one event a year, ie, if they happen to make an error in that game, they’ll probably think he isn’t a very good fielder.
I think that’s one of the important things ABOUT blogging across all things. Bloggers seek to keep (or should seek to) keep the mainstream media accountable, and part of that is the knee jerk reactions. The irony, is, of course, the internet makes writing about your knee jerk reactions all the easier.
That’s we we here at Twinkie Town get to sit up in our ivory tower and strive for more.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on Apr 27, 2008 10:49 PM EDT 0 recs
ivory tower
Pass the monocle! Heh.
Anyway, your observation about casual fans is too true. My wife still despises Torii for the fact that he was something like 2-30 with 18 Ks in the games she watched him in last year. I’ve given up trying to argue the point.
formerly known in these parts as adamb
by ravenfly on
Apr 28, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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Eh
Eh, let her believe it. It may be for the wrong reasons, but more casual fans disliking Hunter is good. Too many were hoodwinked despite all his lies and double speeak.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on
Apr 28, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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we have an ivory tower???
...i should have known about this…
by Jesse on
Apr 28, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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Shh
The PETA people might have something to say about it.
Seriously, the concept of an ivory tower should be anathema to the blogosphere. It is the very antithesis of social media theory and practice, as such giants as Marshall McLuhan and Walter Ong might opine.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on
Apr 28, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
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It's
It’s a different kind of ivory tower. We aren’t divided by the people by some arbitrary institution, but by our own knowledge. Others can join, if they want, but it’s a lot of work.
So an ivory tower isn’t really the best analogy. Maybe it’s a… moat?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on
Apr 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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Did anybody get that?
I was trying to sound as snobby as possible for the sake of irony. Ya know, as though I was typing from my ivory tower.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on
Apr 28, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Haha...
...sorry, I just glassed over about halfway through it. :)
by Jesse on
Apr 28, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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Some comments
While I agree with your premise, I’m not sure what to make of it. My view is that the angry blather is just that, and the internet provides endless space for the irrational venting that everyone has the impulse to do. I generally just avoid that sort of thing, but, beyond giving the internet a bad name, does it really do harm?
As for the example of the hitting coach…I think this is an interesting issue, or at least it leads to one. Up front, I announce that I don’t have the first idea how to go about evaluating a coach, and I don’t think you do either. I don’t really know what the job entails, or how to determine who does a good job and who does not. The hitting talent is what it is. How much a hitting coach can do to change the results is not something I know.
However, there’s a more general question about the Twins organization that I think is interesting. The Twins are all about continuity, and promoting from within. Gardenhire, Smith, etc. There is clearly value in this—maintaining consistency, patience, etc. However, it’s also true that organizations can become stale, and that sometimes it’s important to bring in people in decision making capacities from outside, in order to explore new ideas and theories and avoid complacency.
I wonder sometimes if the Twins aren’t at the point when they could use some new input in a variety of areas.
Arguably, this relates to the hitting coach issue in this way: it seems fair to say that the Twins, as an organization, don’t value patience particularly much in their hitters; they seem to advocate an agressive approach. Vavra was part of the organization, and seems to share that idea. So ultimately, there is nobody in the organization in a position of power advocating patience, which means players don’t get rewarded for patience and the Twins are last in the league in walks.
by Eric in Madison on Apr 28, 2008 7:11 PM EDT 0 recs
Excellent points
Though to start with, I wouldn’t say it’s just the internet that’s being used for irrational venting - check out talk radio, partisan political news coverage - heck, there’s even been an increase of ‘hey, look at this idiot’ stories in mainstream news coverage. This starts to get into areas of discussion that are sort of off-topic for this blog collective, so I won’t express too many details—I’ll just point out that the schadenfreude is clearly out there and being lapped up en masse.
I agree with you that none of us really knows how to evaluate a hitting coach—but a lot of us think we can evaluate a hitting coach based on the aggregate batting average/slugging percentage of the team he works for. Any amount of analysis on such a presumption shows numerous flaws (though I’m tempted to gloss over them any time somebody points out what a great job Mickey Hatcher has obviously been doing for years in Los Anahangeles).
Interestingly enough, the points you make about the Twins organization have a parallel with these amateur sabermetricians who just pull numbers out of a hat and expect they’ll carry the water of proving their argument for them—in large part, I think it’s fair to say that the ‘Twins way’ of running an organization has been largely validated, at least in the minds of the folks in the organization, by the club’s four division titles in five years (2002-2004 and 2006), even though I think compelling arguments can be made that the club succeeded in those years for reasons that have little to do with their philosophy, and in some cases in spite of their philosophy. Just because the Twins won in 2002 with a lineup full of ‘hackers’ (in a division where two of five teams lost 100 or more games and the Twins were the only team to finish above .500) doesn’t mean that having a lineup full of ‘hackers’ is in itself a good thing.
by dwintheiser on
Apr 29, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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HBO
Costas Now is having a town hall meeting on this topic tonight. Costas thinks the tone of sports talk and sports journalism has become toxic. Maybe this is just another attempt by “mainstream” media to lash out at the blogosphere, on the other hand, who can tell the difference between “mainstream” and “outsiders” now that guys like Gleeman are insiders with mainstream outlets paying their salaries and Dead Spin writers are getting book deals.
by wcooley on Apr 29, 2008 5:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Who knows, who cares
I just like it every time you post because it gives me a good excuse to take a closer look at your icon/avatar.
by montanatwinsfan on
Apr 29, 2008 9:03 PM EDT
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I dunno...
It’s a close call between staring at wcooley’s avatar and cmath’s… those beautiful Matty eyes on that thick round face….
What would my life be like without the '91 World Series?
by MJesser on
Apr 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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Pig
Stop staring at my breasts and take my comments seriously. I’m fed up with this second-class treatment.
by wcooley on
Apr 30, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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Which one is you?
I never pictured you for a blond. So I’m guessing the brunette.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on
Apr 30, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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I wasn't staring at your breasts
I’m staring at the other girls breasts. The one standing next to you.
by montanatwinsfan on
Apr 30, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Hey
Hey, no second class treatment for you. It’s all first class treatment for those breasts, I mean, you humans.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on
May 1, 2008 1:53 AM EDT
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Interestingly enough...
...if this comment referred to the Costas Now segment that turned into Buzz Bissinger performing a self-meltdown in front of Will Leitch from Deadspin, this comment was downright prescient in its applicability to this discussion.
Well done, sir (or miss, depending on how literally you want me to take your avatar pic).
by dwintheiser on
May 1, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
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how does a park "become" less hitting friendly.
anyone? i have always wondered…
http://noblingblings.blogspot.com/
by Aaron Fix on Apr 29, 2008 7:25 PM EDT 0 recs
Two ways, mainly
1) The park is specifically modified in such a way that hitters are disadvantaged compared to pitchers. One way this has happened in the Dome is the changes in turf that have been made over the years; the old turf was very springy and helped promote doubles when a high blooper would bounce off the turf back high into the air. Replacing that turf with FieldTurf reduces this tendency, which lowers the number of doubles (or more accurately, ends up turning doubles into singles). Conversely, changes that benefit hitters (like taking down the plexiglass in left field so that balls off the wall are now homers) will benefit hitters, causing the park factor to go up.
2) Other ballparks in the league are replaced with more offense-friendly ballparks. What we call the Park Factor is determined by comparing run scoring in games in that ballpark with games played in other major-league ballparks. If you replace other ballparks in the league with parks that promote more offense, more runs will be scored in games played in ‘other ballparks’; thus by comparison, the park you’re looking at will appear friendlier to pitchers, because scoring is now lower in that ballpark than it is in the ballparks you’re now comparing it with. Likewise, replacing hitters parks with pitchers parks will cause the park factors for existing ballparks to go up, since fewer runs are being scored in those ‘other ballparks’, by comparison.
You can see both of these processes at work in the yearly ‘multi-year’ park factor for the Metrodome (as reported by baseball-reference.com):
1991 – 105/104
1994 – 100/102
1997 – 101/101
2000 – 104/105 (Comerica Park replaces Tiger Stadium)
2003 – 100/101
2006 – 98/98
by dwintheiser on
Apr 30, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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I would add that the Homer Dome was a feature of the Dome prior to air conditioning and the baggie, when the stadium really was a haven for homers. After they added AC and the baggie, homers went down considerably. But it took years before those early years stopped having statistical impact on its multi-year averages.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
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