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The Worst Move the Twins Could Make?

     As I was perusing the MLB.com trade deadline page today, I was going through each seperate position and looking at who was available, who may be available and whatnot. As I got to the middle infielder's, I came upon David Eckstein, and thought that this would be the exact kind of player the twins would attempt to pick up. Here's what MLB.com had to say about him:

Why he's available: Only signed a one-year deal in the offseason and might not be in Toronto's plans for 2009.

Will he go? The Jays have other options at short -- an area to be addressed again in the offseason -- so they'd likely entertain offers.

Where might he go? Any team with a need for a shortstop or a leadoff hitter with playoff experience.

 

Now I know that the Twins aren't too keen on picking up one year contracts, but we haven't really seen how Bill Smith deals at the deadline, he may show a willingness to pick up a player llike Eckstein at the deadline if he thinks that the Twins will stay in contention. Also, David Eckstein fits into the whole Twins persona of the piranha's, seriously, think about it, if you had to have one missing piece from the 2006 season that would have fit perfectly it would have been David Eckstein.

This is exactly why we shouldn't pick him up.

The king of scrap, the master of heart is hitting .279/.368/.358 with an OPS+ of 97, he's being the epitome of an average player. The thing is though, his production compares (to me atleast) with that of Jason Tyner, a singles and (sometimes) doubles machine. In fact, Eck's Isolated power of  .076 is only .007 higher than Jason Tyner's.

While I understand that there has been absolutely no rumblings of this trade happening, I was instantly fearful of a trade like this that the Twins would try to make. This brings up the question though, if you were the Twins, what would be the best or worst move you could make during the deadline (within reasonable limits)

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I think I’d take my chances by sticking with Harris and then Tolbert when he’s healthy, and I expect the Twins to do the same. I don’t think Eckstein would be that much of an improvement, if one at all.

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by joeiscool12 on Jun 26, 2008 11:42 AM EDT   0 recs

I just threw up a little bit

You’re right… Eck is the typical “gutty” player the Twins would be interested in. Please, no.

I’m surprised Darin Erstad hasn’t found his way on this squad yet, the king of gutty, gritty.

by vulture on Jun 26, 2008 11:46 AM EDT   0 recs

and

a North Dakota native who would be welcomed “home” by MN fans.

by montanatwinsfan on Jun 26, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not only that, but like how it says a team looking for playoff experience, with Smith that might translate into thinking “Oh, he’s a world series MVP! He’d be a perfect leader for our young club!”

by CARXRiedmann on Jun 26, 2008 11:50 AM EDT   0 recs

Punto Can't Do it all Alone

We’ve been short a bit lately on players who unnecessarily dive just to get their uniform dirty, flop around on routine plays, run at a mad sprint to first base even after out has been called, eschew batting gloves, wear pine tar on their helmet and hunt down autograph seekers since Dougy Ballgame left here.

Erstad and Eckstein could fill in some of these holes. Come on, people, Nicky Ballgame can’t do it all alone!

by vulture on Jun 26, 2008 12:05 PM EDT   0 recs

The Twins could probably get Mientkiewicz for cheap. I actually wouldn’t be 100% opposed to this move.

by CARXRiedmann on Jun 26, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why?

Why in the world would you want Minty? A backup 1b we don’t need. He plays a little 3B now I guess but we don’t really need another LH 3B either. I can’t see him helping in any way unless Morneau gets hurt and even in that scenario we’d be better off putting Cuddy at 1B and getting Span at bats.

by vulture on Jun 26, 2008 12:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Hmmm...

I am the proud owner of a Doug Meintkiewicz bobblehead, and he was one of my favorite players during the division title streak, but I can’t see how it would make sense – the Twins already have too many lefthanded corner infielders.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 26, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Now, now...

I know Eckstein and his “grit” and “hustle” and “diminutive stature” and whatnot are overrated, but a .367 OBP is nothing to sneeze at – it’d rank second on the Twins. He’s not a clear-cut upgrade, but he might be an upgrade nonetheless. It largely depends on whether you think power or OBP are a greater weakness – Eckstein gets on base at a greater clip than Harris and Casilla but hits for less power. Not that it’s a huge deal either, but Eckstein would also answer the “if Gomez moves down in the order, who bats leadoff?” question.

I also don’t know how Eckstein’s defense is… my guess is that he’d be a downgrade from Casilla and a slight upgrade from Harris, but that’s based on vague ideas of reputation, not any direct observation or numbers, so take it with as many grains of salt as you’d like.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 26, 2008 12:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Good Points

As a total player right now, Eck would be the best SS option on this squad. However, he’s advancing in age, injury-prone and has always had just enough arm to be effective at SS (though it’s ugly to watch). He would be an upgrade with his above-average OBP, but he’s just not the kind of player that you trade FOR in my opinion. We’re better off giving Tolbert the time there to see if he develops.

by vulture on Jun 26, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

where

where would he play? we already have a bundle of middle infielders

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jun 26, 2008 12:26 PM EDT   0 recs

The Mariners are having a fire sale.

I was thinking about it, and even though he’s having a down year, someone like Adrian Beltre wouldn’t be bad to have Adrian Beltre. A lot of sportscasters/figures are down on him because of his decrease in AVG, but his OBP is in line with his career, and his slugging percentage has dropped a bit, his OPS+ is right around average, which would be great for this squad.
The only problem getting under Lamb’s contract, and if Buscher continues to produce (although I’m not sure if he’s a long term answer).

by CARXRiedmann on Jun 26, 2008 12:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Bad comp

The Tyner comparison is a really bad one. No offense, but Tyner was a singles hitter who never had a good OBP. He looked better to many fans because he generally hit for decent average with NO walks or power.

I would honestly be interested in this move if it weren’t for the fact that Harris is finally starting to hit well this past week.

Depending on how the next few weeks go with Harris and what the ETA on Tolbert is I’d actually be interested in the Twins kicking the tires on a guy like Eckstein. It would all depend on what the Jays would need for him and if they’d be willing to take some of our junk as part of the trade. If they would take on a bad contract like Mike Lambs and then we give them a prospect as well that might be worth exploring.

I’m hoping that Harris can keep it up though, this is more in line with what he did with the Rays so I think it’s ok to be optimistic.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jun 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT   0 recs

The move I would suggest:

Trade Reyes. He is playing great. Someone out there must need a lefty reliever, and would be willing to give something up for him. Sell high.

by snolls on Jun 26, 2008 5:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Not Only

In addition, Eckstein plays second base now, which is actually better for him, because he never had the range or arm (read athletic talent) to play shortstop well.

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by AdamOnFirst on Jun 27, 2008 3:04 AM EDT   0 recs

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