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Craig Monroe and His Role

Craig Monroe has really affected this team....how?  Well, he has affected us in two ways.  He has contributed to some losses by the Twins, which if he wasn't on the team, the Twins would have most probably won those games.  And also, he has affected us towards winning games.  3-run tying blast in KC, 3-run homer to put the Twins up over Detroit against Nate Robertson.  But, more than his homers and late-inning heroics, Craig Monroe has improved this club in the biggest way.  I know that usually this doesn't get talked about much here on Twinkie Town (or on any site) but a man that has GREAT CLUBHOUSE PRESENCE is needed.  Monroe is that man.

When first the Twins signed Monroe, I was looking for big things.  Monroe has provided some fireworks for the Twins but has batted a paltry .207 (.284 vs. RHP and .127 vs. LHP) in that period.  Monroe currently sits 3rd on the Twins roster in HR with 8 and 8th in RBI with 28.  However, something that I did not expect coming into this season, is Craig Monroe's love for the Twins.  As a matter of fact, he loves them so much, he is helping.  Delmon Young is now on a tear having hit .321 in June and hitting .342 in July.  How come Young has turned it around after his slow start?  Yes, Delmon is a second half hitter, we all know that, but it is also because Craigsy took Delmon aside and taught him a few things.  (Do you think that Delmon would have taken this from Crawford last season?)

Craig has helped this team tremendously although it is not seen.  Craig has told several of the Twins hitters to shorten up and put the ball in play and good things will happen.  Who has he told?  LNP, Denard Span, Delmon Young, Brian Buscher.  Craig is that vet which every team could use.  Everytime a Twins player gets an RBI hit, he and Reddog are up out of the clubhouse cheering for that player.  I thought that Craig was going to be a little pill in that dugout, only playing for himself, but he has accepted his role and is going above and beyond his call of duty.  Young comes and sits by Monroe now (I believe Gardy has made them roommates too).  Monroe, after striking out with two runners in scoring position with 0 or 1 out, goes back to the dugout and instead of slamming gear, he cheers on the next batter and tells him to pick him up and drive those runs in.

Monroe has done more for this team than he gets credit for.  Thanks Craigsy!  I thank you, the clubhouse thanks you, the Twins thank you, and Minnesota thanks you!

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What is your view of Mr. Monroe?
He needs to hit more homers before I like him
16 votes
Monroe for President!
1 votes
Thank you Monroe!
40 votes
Why is he even on this team?
32 votes

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Kool Aid

I see you’ve been drinking the Gardenhire Kool Aid. haha

Actually I can somewhat agree with you. As horrific as some of his #s have been and the fact that he can’t seem to hit lefties suddenly (what we brought him in here to do). I’d like to see Monroe stick on the team. It’s been awhile since we’ve had a decent power bat off the bench and it’s helped a ton in a couple of outings. If we keep using him mostly in a pinch hit role than I’m ok with him staying with the Twins. I just wonder about Span, I’d really like to see him up here but I don’t know how they’d fit both of these guys and find playing time for Span w/ Gomez, Young, Cuddy, Kubel, and Monroe all up there.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jul 11, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That ugly split

Last year Monroe was nearly helpless against right-handers. This year, he has good numbers vs. RH pitching. Why? How about using him where he has a good chance to succeed vs. righties? He batted against the knuckleballer (Wakefield) and his “cousin” (Blanton). Take those PAs away and his numbers against RHs don’t look that good, considering only 80 PAs.

Unfortunately, Monroe just about has to play against lefthanders. So he isn’t used judiciously, he is indiscriminately sent out against every lefty, no mattter whether their style matches up or not.

There is a concept of “regression to the mean” which indicates that for the balance of the year, Monroe should be better against lefties and not nearly as good vs. righthanders.

Here’s another example: Last year Mauer really struggled (for him) against LH pitching—just a .673 OPS and also hit only .248 with a .666 OPS at the Metrodome. This year, Mauer has hit .356 with a .908 OPS vs. lefthanders and is hitting .372 with a .990 OPS at home. One would figure that both of those figures would regress towards the mean, but to balance it out, that Joe would hit a bit better on the road and against righties.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jul 11, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monroe should be gone. I hate to throw water on the parade but if they want him to be a hitting coach they should hire him to do that. He’s on a one year contract, was awful last year, and has been bad this year (paltry is being kind). If we’re going to keep Cuddyer and Span there’s really no need for Monroe, cheerleading ability or no.

by Gophermike on Jul 11, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Twins

really need to look at how they’re using Monroe. He keeps getting starts against LHP, which is absurd. But he’s hitting so well against RHP, it makes perfect sense to give him a couple of starts a week in that capacity.

VS RHP: .284/.338/.622
VS LHP: .127/.225/.225

I still think Kubel needs to get a majority of the DH at-bats, because he’s raking VS RHP as well (.301/.352/.544). The one problem the Twins have right now is the guys who DO fill certain roles well are the only depth we have. We don’t have an OF option who mashes LHP. Kubel, Monroe, Cuddyer, Young, Gomez, Harris, Lamb…none of them can hit a lick versus a southpaw, and that’s a problem.

Monroe has a role on this team, I believe that. But he’s redundant, unfortunately, because if I have to choose between him and Kubel I’m choosing Kubel every time. The Twins insist on a platoon situation at DH, they need to find someone who can hit left handers…because Craiggers isn’t it.

by Jesse on Jul 11, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do

agree with you. The Twins must figure out when and in what situations it is best to use him in. I can see putting him in vs. left handed pitchers that he has hit well against in the past but I dont see them putting him in every time a LHP is on the mound. I would really like to see him stick around with the Twins even when Cuddles comes back, but I just dont see what other options we may have. We would then have 6 outfielders and only 5 infielders (assuming Lamb is cut or traded when Cuddy comes back).

Twins must figure out his role. I do like the fact that the Twins now have a legit HR threat coming off the bench (Tyner, Rodriguez, Ford, Tiffee never fit that mold). I do like the fact that pitcher have to pitch carefully to him although he is a strike out victim but they know that if they make a mistake, he will power it out. I do like the fact that he is good clubhouse presence – that is the heart of the team. Although many fans dont realize it, clubhouse presence is more important than how the man hits. If you have a player who hits .250 and only jacks out 5 but bats 1.000 with 150 HR in the clubhouse, that is most important.

Chemistry is the heart of a MLB team!

by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 11, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chemistry is a lie

Good chemistry is created by winning.

by snolls on Jul 12, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that real?

I know Monroe has a ridiculous backward platoon split this year, but he’s only had 80 PA against each hand, and he has a more traditional platoon split for his career – is it possible that his performance against lefties so far is a mirage? I just looked through some of his year-by-year splits, and he has had a slight reverse platoon split before, but nothing approaching this.

I agree with you, though, that Kubel’s success against both sides pretty much eliminates Monroe’s role on the team – I would be fine with them trying to find a new home for him to make room for Cuddyer to come off the DL, as Span is a better backup CF and at least as useful a hitter (although the homers have been nice).

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 11, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m torn on what do with Monroe as well. Do you go with career splits over season splits? To me, he looks like a guy who just guesses and swings a lot no matter who he is facing. I do think over time he would fare better against lefties. But, yes I think it’s time to give Kubel more pa’s. The thing I love about the team this year is the youth and potential. So many of the “vets” have struggled, you might as well ride the players trending upward for whatever they have.

by zfan13 on Jul 12, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Clubhouse is more important than how the man hits.”

-Ridiculous. I want a team that wins, not a team that makes friends. Chemistry and grit are words that people use for veterans that are worthless.

by Gophermike on Jul 11, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

The late 90s Twins were all nice guys, too. They won about 70 games a year. I’ll agree that bad chemistry can cause problems, but I don’t think there’s much evidence that good chemistry breeds winning (rather than the other way around) or that the Twins had any chemistry problems before Monroe – I think they looked like they’d have a pretty cohesive clubhouse anyway.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 11, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you, for the most part. The sort of unquantifiable hand-waving about “chemistry” is generally just that; there are plenty of examples of locker rooms filled with giant tools that go out and win lots of ballgames.

At the same time, I do think that there is a “veteran presence” impact that can be beneficial—I just don’t think that anyone outside the clubhouse can speak to it. I’ll take Blackburn at his word when he says that Hernandez has helped him learn how to be a major league pitcher, but too often “chemistry” and “leadership” really just mean “old and sucky” when used by fans and journos.

formerly known in these parts as adamb

by ravenfly on Jul 11, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Craig Monroe love is ridiculous

DFA this joker. His forte is supposed to be hitting lefties and it’s apparent that he cannot. And he didn’t do it particularly well last season either. He’s hit a combined .220/.278/.400 against lefties the last two seasons in over 200 plate appearances. There is no excuse that he should be starting with a LHP on the mound.

by Milt on Tilt on Jul 11, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Distortion

Monroe has been dreadful against lefties to this point, there is no denying that. But he was actually pretty good against lefties last year, in comparison to his epic struggles against righties. His OPS of .805 last year (vs. lefties) is better than anybody not named Mauer or Morneau on the ‘08 team.

Last year, Monroe’s OPS was .250 better vs. lefthanders, this year it is .500 worse. Go figure.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jul 11, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

production is king

28 RBI in 140 AB is enough of a reason to keep him in my book. I know this stat has to do with opportunity. He is doing enough with his opportunity. Plus Its nice to see a power bat off the bench instead of a Tyner.

I say the real problem is what to do with Lamb, Everett, Tolbert

and then the bullpen could use another reliever (Bonser or Bass to leave likely Bonser) Bonser has more talent but he isn’t putting it together and we have an opportunity to win now.

by doofus on Jul 11, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Craig Monroe is done

Stick a fork in him. He’ll connect once in a blue moon. But with his long looping swing, he will not contribute much. If it comes down to keeping him or sending down Span or Tolbert, I dump him for a can of chew.

Just my two cents:-) Nothing personal Craig. Shorten your swing, dump the high leg kick and stop swinging at the first pitch all the time.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 12, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ah if you

watch…Craig has shortened up which is why he is hitting much better and he has dumped the high leg kick…as a matter of fact, he barely has one now.

Craig has a very compact swing now and has good mechanics too. He is hitting LH better now and continues to hit RH well.

by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 12, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what the heck

are you talking about?

Sure, maybe he’s made some changes, but he is not ‘hitting LH better now’.

by Milt on Tilt on Jul 14, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aside from a few timely dingers...

...Monroe has done nothing this year. He says he’s made adjustments. And he doesn’t have as high of a leg kick. But he’s still not getting results because his bat is slow. I don’t see that changing. When Cuddyer gets back, it’s between him and Lamb. And I’d keep Lam just for cases like yesterday when they face a tough right hander like Big V.

People might say, “he had some timely dingers.” Well, they said that about Batista too. And Batista was hitting better than Monroe when they DFAed him.

If they acquire Beltre, both him and Lamb are gone. If they don’t acquire Beltre, both him and Lamb are gone when Tolbert gets back. It’s only a matter of time.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 14, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hopefully,

If they acquire Beltre, both him and Lamb are gone. If they don’t acquire Beltre, both him and Lamb are gone when Tolbert gets back. It’s only a matter of time

Let’s hope so, anyway…

by montanatwinsfan on Jul 14, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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