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The New Media and Quotes

Much has been made of the way the "new media" (blogs, internet sites, etc.) is covering sports.  In a somewhat ironic turn, new media mavens often argue that they are doing a better job of covering teams because they LACK access; arguing that the old media (newspapers, broadcasters, cable outlets) was so close to teams and leagues that their journalism was compromised.

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In some respects I agree with this sentiment.  (However, not for A section, news journalism, where reporters at the scene are still needed.  Take, for instance, the recent debunking by journalists in Iraq of John McCain's claim that Americans were safe walking the Baghdad streets).  Broadcasters often now get their paychecks from teams directly, cable outlets such as ESPN are mortified of offending professional sports teams and leagues, and mainstream journalists like Rick Reilly and Dan Patrick enjoy cozy relationships with athletes and coaches and save their vitriol for cheerleaders and deer hunters.  Beat writers have long been too close to the teams they are supposed to cover.  Drinking with, apologizing for, and becoming friends or sycophants for the likes of Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, and Billy Martin was part of these scribes' daily life. 

The quotes taken from athletes, coaches, and management by old media types show the limitations of this "buddy" journalism.  Subjects spouted cliches and platitudes for decades, with no little or no follow-up questioning or pressing from sports journalists.  Readers are often forced to read between the lines.  In these examples, new media types are right: access is highly overrated unless you are enlightened by the phrase "one game at a time."

Yet some new media bloggers overanalyze quotations from managers and players even though they argue that what they say is usually meaningless.  Take for instance, the usually-stellar Twins blogger and new media exponent Aaron Gleeman's approach to Ron Gardenhire.  Gardenhire is not an intellectual; he is a career baseball man with little formal education.  Most of what he says in interviews and press conferences is not interesting or insightful.  Yet he has carved out an impressive career for himself as the skipper of the Twins, at least in the regular season.  Even though Gleeman brags of NOT having media access to the Twins, he often disects quotes from Gardenhire, frequently with a barely disguised agenda.

For instance, in May and June there was much debate both in the blogosphere and, presumably, within the Twins organization, over what to do with Juan Rincon.  Rincon was struggling mightily, and appeared to be on the downside of a otherwise solid (if chemically enhanced) career.  On June 12, Gleeman used a quote from Gardenhire:  "He's done a lot of great things here so you keep running him out there. He has a track record of getting people out. He's struggled lately, but he's continuing to work."  Gleeman jumped all over Gardenhire, taking issue with the word "lately" and then demonstrating, in typically thorough Gleeman fashion, that Rincon's slide was 3-4 years in the making.  But Gleeman's not out to simply edifiy readers on Rincon's performance, but rather to make Gardenhire look dumb, concluding, "There's nothing "lately" about his struggles."

In effect, Gleeman has taken a throwaway quote and made it in to evidence of managerial incompetence.  Gleeman's agenda is even more clear when you consider Gardenhire's alternatives.  Since the Twins rely on the media to promote their product, they insist that the manager speak to the media.  Also, the Twins were trying to deal Rincon.  Was Gardenhire supposed to say, "Rincon stinks, and he has for some time.  You should see his stats."?  Of course not.

I enjoy the new media.  Sometimes I participate in it.  But it also has its flaws.  Somewhere, journalists need to strike a balance between being so cozy with Micky Mantle that it covers up all his late night carousing, and ethical enough that they do not make Matt Leinart drinking with co-eds "news."  When a manager makes a offhand, innocuous remark, should it be used as an example that he is unqualified?  
    

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I agree

AG writes some great fact based analyses and I enjoy reading most of his stuff. When he does err, however, it does usually seem to be on the negative side of things. Mainstream writers may have a tendency to portray the organization in an overwhelmingly positive light, but always
doing the opposite is no less annoying.

by lookatthosetwins on Jul 17, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's convenient not to have media access

You don’t ever have to hear the subject’s response to your opinion. And you never have to look him in the face. You can keep it safely all one-sided.

Even back in the days when sports writers spoke mainly with the manager and didn’t visit the field or the clubhouse often, they still had to ride the same train as the players and encounter them in the hotel lobby, or at the local watering hole, where a player might give a writer a piece of his mind, or fist.

Lack of access is also convenient for new media because it means they can avoid taking off their jammies and getting out of the house once in a while.

As for “mainstream” media (Gleeman isn’t mainstream yet?), anyone who thinks “mainstream” media paint clubs in only a positive light has never lived in Philadelphia.

by Johnny Safron on Jul 18, 2008 12:05 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or New York.

Or Texas. Or California.

But I have to admit I like not getting out of my jammies. They’re so soft and warm, and the footsies keep my feet from getting chilly.

by Jesse on Jul 18, 2008 7:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You forgot to mention "mom's basement"

Because of course, that’s where all bloggers do their pajama-clad writing.

Seriously, I understand the concern that the lack of contact with the writers’ subjects can lead to excessive negativity, but I think it’s overblown. I’m willing to deal with some of that (and honestly, I think the internet has shown that there’s even a demand for that kind of thing) if the writing is good. Also, the beauty of the internet is that if I think Gleeman’s blog is too full of potshots or otherwise unreadable (note: I don’t think this), I can read one of the other quality Twins blogs instead.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 18, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

personally

I like reading the beat writers.(I stop reading columnists a few years ago) I like the news and notes section. Sometimes there are juicy tidbits in there. How many blogs posts link to a story they write? thousands a day. What would blogs talk about if they dont link to a newspaper?

Im not giving them a free pass though. Reporters can always be better, ask tougher questions. Coulmnists can always provide better insight and analysis.

I grew up reading the paper everyday. Now I read them on the net, except for Sunday. I still have to have that massive paper in my hands and read it during breakfast.

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jul 18, 2008 12:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I forgot

I should note that I am only 28, so its not like Im pining for the old days. I have read the newspaper ever since I learned how to read. I guess physically going out and getting the Sunday paper and sitting down and reading it is just habit

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jul 18, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quotes

The problem is, when all we have to go on is quotes, what else should we write about? I suppose we can write about the actual decisions these guys make. Take the Rincon situation. He ran Rincon out there in crucial situations seven times when it was apparent to just about everybody that Rincon had nothing left. The results were predictably horrible. When a beat writer asked him about it, he said the piece that Gleeman quoted. The fact that the actual performance so badly belied the quote made Gardy look not just stupid, but delusional.

As to Gardy’s alternatives, in five of those cases, Crain was rested and could get ready instead of Rincon. In four of those cases, ditto for Guerrier. He had options. He gave the key role to Rincon until it was blatantly obvious to the front office that they had to DFA Rincon or risk trurning more close games into blowouts on the arm of Rincon. It is the paradigm case of managerial incompetence, prefigured by Ray Miller in the Ron Davis era. I could understand keeping him in a mop-up role in the hopes that he turned it around. But he ran Rincon out there in one-run games repeatedly.

Gleeman was just shooting fish in a barrel there. Gardy provided the fish, and Gleeman shot them. Do’y’spose the beat writers would do that? No. Why not? Because Gardy (and Brad and Jacques and Tubby and …) stop talking to them if they ripped them openly. So what you got before new media was vanilla homerism. If you’re content with that, fine. I’m not.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 18, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are original thoughts out of bounds?

The problem is, when all we have to go on is quotes, what else should we write about?

News alert: Internet users obligated to blog

by Johnny Safron on Jul 18, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

News flash

Cranky trolls obliged to take pot shots at unsuspecting bloggers.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 20, 2008 12:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points all around

I agree with many of the charged lobbed against the old media (though, a posters pointed out, not all are true), but I hope the new media loses some of the “everyone is stupid” callousness that is often a race to the bottom.

And it’s true, Gleeman is probably now mainstream. He cashed checks from General Electric after all.

by wcooley on Jul 20, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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