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Yankees 25, Twins 7

... or so stands the tally for the three-game set in the Bronx, with five Yankee runs coming Wednesday against a singleton for the Twins.

The biggest play of the game mus have been a clutch two-out, two-run double from super-green rookie left fielder Justin Christian, who was playing in only his 10th major-league game.  With runners on first and third in the fifth, Glen Perkins threw a fastball that caught entirely too much of the plate, and Christian chopped it hard down the left-field line.  Delmon Young, as is his wont, played the carom in the corner with all the skill of a man doing line-dances in roller skates, and this allowed Jose Molina, of the Famous Traveling Catching Molina Brothers, to chug all the way around from first base to score, something that shouldn't happen even if the ball is eaten by a goat before the fielder can reach it.

This all happened after Alexi Casilla forgot that there was only one out, and thus merely touched second on an infield ground ball instead of trying to turn two.  Two pitches later, the ball was rolling into the left-field corner.  Casilla has not exactly been keeping his head in the game lately, and is likely on the receiving end of regular Gardy lectures.

Perkins had been one good pitch from getting out of the fifth, and instead he trailed 2-0 - and with the Twins whiffing at everything Mike Mussina threw (he had faced two over the minimum at that point in the game), it might as well have been 14-0.  Alex Rodriguez confirmed things in the sixth, blasting one off the fence in deep left-center to score two more.

Perkins did some glove-throwing and water-cooler kicking after leaving the game.  You can hardly blame him.

The lone bright spot for the Twins might be Mike Lamb, who got three hits, thereby nearly doubling his summer hit total (he had four in June and July combined, entering the day).  Denard Span also continued his newfound tradition of making nice running over-the-wall catches in foul territory down the right-field line, but that was about it.

Your thoughts on the game?  What can the Twins do to right the ship?  And did you notice that the Tigers are only three back now?

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Gardy

Gardy was steamed at Casilla. I heard him on the radio post game show. I bet Casilla does not play Friday

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jul 23, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Casilla

That is not the first time in this series that Casilla made a defensive blunder. But it was the most blatant case. He should know how many outs are on the board and he should cover the bag if that’s the call from the short stop, which it was. But Casilla was not alone in making crucial mistakes in this series. Punto made several, as did Mauer, Buscher, Harris, and others.

I think the atmosphere of Yankee Stadium got to the boys. Because, aside from Span, I didn’t see any of the players comfortable at the plate or in the field.

They were tentative at times and overanxious at other times. It seemed as though the Yankees hitters were constantly hitting because the Twins hitters had a lot of short at bats ans the Yankees hitters had none. And the Yankees fielders made a lot of plays the Twins players tyoically make int he Metrodome but not necessarily on the road.

It just goes to show you: It’s not who you play but when you play them. The Twins have played several teams this year when they were hot: The TIgers, Indians, White Sox, Red Sox and Yankees come to mind. The Twins had a series against each of those teams coming off of winning streaks.

The Twins lost those series as much because the other team was hot than the Twins were not. It seemed like the Yankees got every call and every liner down the line went fair. Whereas the Twins got no calls and every liner down the line went foul. It happens.

One thing I know, I will not miss that ball park. The Twins have very few good memories there and a lot of really bad memories. I remember Frankie V winning a game in ‘87 there that opened some eyes. I also remember a couple of playoff wins there.

But I will always remember the 2003 playoff game in which Koskie hit what should have been the game winning hit against Rivera. The ball cleared the wall by two inches on a hop, and the runner at first had to be held at third by rule and never scored. Nathan came in and was superman for the ninth and tenth innings and human for the 11th. The Yankees won int he bottom of the 11th. That’s up there with the Rincon disaster in 2004.

I kept saying how much I hate those guys, so much so that I could not watch the games. Damon rarely gets a strike called on him. Jeter seems to always know what pitch is coming in what location. Abreau is just a really tough out. Rodriguez has so much power that any little flick of his wrist could be a homer. Then there’s Giambi, Cano, Cabrera, and a who cares? That top six is just devastating. Every time we face them, I scratch my head why thy don’t have a better record.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 24, 2008 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

When you play 'em

But I will always remember the 2003 playoff game in which Koskie hit what should have been the game winning hit against Rivera. The ball cleared the wall by two inches on a hop, and the runner at first had to be held at third by rule and never scored.

Who, by the way, was Luis Rivas.

I have to agree with cmath as well—the Yanks are red-hot right now; they’re on a six-game tear and they’re just rolling at the moment. Before we start jumping on the bandwagon to try to fix something that might not be broken, let’s see what happens with the three games with the Royals, three with the Mariners, and six with the Indians that we have between now and our next series with the Yanks, by which time they should be cooled off a bit.

Oh, and cmath, I do still owe you a beer—we should figure out when I can settle that one up.

by dwintheiser on Jul 24, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I have been scouting for just the right watering hole. And, ya know, how’s the Dome suit you? I like Summit EPA almost as much as their IPA.

E-mail me so we can work out a date when the boys are in town, which is hardly at all in August.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 24, 2008 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with cmath

I also recall few excellent memories from the stadium. The Twin always seem to play like robots with their wires crossed whenever they take the field in Fenway or Yankee Stadium. Somehow, I love the configuration of each of those stadiums, but if I measure the play of the Twins in those stadiums, I have few fond memories. Probably my favorite memory is Harmon Killebrew getting a triple in Yankee Stadium when the ball rolled behind the monuments in center field; I think most players would have had an inside the parker but old Harmon chugged into 3rd. I don’t know why that memory sticks out but it does.

"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."

by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Jul 24, 2008 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

PS-They always seem to suck against Mussina

"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."

by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Jul 24, 2008 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Young & Punto

There was no way Young was getting that ball in any quicker; the angle was way too harsh.

Also, had Punto thrown a ball even close to the plate, Molina would have been toasted. Instead he throw it way short and way left.

by Ruckas122 on Jul 24, 2008 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Casilla blew two defensive plays today

He was not covering second properly on the play Jesse mentioned, but an inning earlier he wasn’t covering first on what should have been a Lamb-Punto-Casilla double play. Instead Punto had no one to throw it to.

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Jul 24, 2008 2:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Perkins

That is never the 2B’s cover of 1st. The pitcher (Perkins) should have been over to cover first. Saying that is Casilla’s error is blatantly false.

by Diggity Dino on Jul 24, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

footage on baseball tonight

you can see Perkins dropping an F-bomb at Casilla on the field after the play. Not to mention the glove and cap throwing when he came in the dugout

by caluofmn on Jul 24, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweeps

Do all these sweeps mean the Twins lack a “stopper”? Is there such a thing? Is it possible that the stopper is in Rochester?

Of course, its tough to avoid a sweep when the other team has Ponson and Rasner going.

by wcooley on Jul 24, 2008 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

To Answer That We have Howie Clark who can play every position, theirs also Trevor Plouffe, Sergio Santos and Alejandro Machado.

by Tony_O on Jul 24, 2008 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stopper as in pitcher

I was thinking more along the lines of an “ace” pitcher who stops losing streaks a la Johan Santana.

by wcooley on Jul 24, 2008 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Baker

He also has the same knack for taking hard-luck losses (like that 1-0 game against the Rangers that started the streak).

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 24, 2008 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

When/Where

Home: 34-19
Away: 21-27

Maybe its not so much when you play them as where you play them. Our Home/Away splits are getting pretty bad. I suspect that someone is too embarrassed to bring their favorite stuffed animal on the road.

by snolls on Jul 24, 2008 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

they say you need to play .500 on the road

I hope the Twins can work on that in Cleveland

by caluofmn on Jul 24, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

.500 on the ORad

Actually, EVERYONE is struggling on he road this year. The only team above .500 on the road in the AL is the Angels, and they’ve grabbed the best record in baseball with consistent winning. The Yankees are at .500, and everyone else is below.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Jul 24, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's kind of what I'm saying

The Twins getting swept at the yankees was tough, but we’re not a good road team. It wasn’t the fact that it was the Yankees that beat us.

Still, I don’t understand why teams are playing so poorly on the road. On that note, I noticed that the Twins have five more road games left than home games (ugh). It also makes me think that the Rays are in for a slide when they start hitting the road.

by snolls on Jul 24, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

'87 Twins

It doesn’t happen often. But you can have a losing record on the road if you dominate at home. Still, I hope they can learn to win in hostile environments. I think the young kids were kind of in awe of the place and put too much pressure on themselves.

AS to an ace pitcher, I agree. Few teams go very far with a collection of #2 starters. Baker might be a number 2. But there is no ace right now. He’s down in AAA.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 24, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I meant #3 starters

Livan=#5
Blackburn=#4
Slowey=#3
Perkins=#3
Baker=#2
Liriano=#1

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 24, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

My own thoughts

I think Perkins is overrated.

Livan = 5
Perkins = 5 , but hopefully will improve to 4 or 3
Slowey = 4/3
Blackburn = 3
Baker = 2
Liriano = 1

Note that I think Liriano is a 1, but not in the way that he and Santana were in 2006. He is a one being I would take him over 80% of starting pitchers, as opposed to being top 5 or 10 in the game.

by snolls on Jul 24, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vulcan Mind Meld

I was also going to mention that team – Twins fans, of all people, should know that it’s possible to stink on the road and still win a championship as long as your division is bad enough and you get home field in the Series.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 24, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 wins ever

For those of you who weren’t watching FSN, they shwoed a graphic that the Twins have only won 3 games (and lost now, like, 23) in Yankee Stadium under Ron Gardenhire. I won’t be TOO sad to never see the Twins playing there again.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Jul 24, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

What does that say about the way the Twins prepare...

...for teams like the Yankees. The Twins during this stretch under RG are not as bad as a 3-23 team, so it must have something to do with preparation, which once again falls in the lap of RG. Let the poison arrows fall where they may, but that is my belief and the Twinkies’ record supports that belief.

"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."

by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Jul 24, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

What exactly could Gardenhire be doing (or not doing) to make the Twins play better at a particular stadium? Seriously, this couldn’t just be a case of bad luck, or the Twins simply being especially vulnerable to a team that has, generally, been better than them every year? Does that mean that Gardy is doing an especially good job at preparing to play whatever team(s) the Twins have dominated over his tenure?

My point is, I have a hard time accepting that a poor record against one particular team is grounds for dismissal of the manager, especially when that team isn’t a division rival (so the Twins only face them a half-dozen times a year).

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 25, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is my point exactly! Look at the way they play!

It seems that every time they walk into Fenway or Yankee Stadium, their left hands don’t know what their right hands are doing. That is not coincidence IMHO.

"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."

by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Jul 25, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't really understand your point

So they’re bad when they play at Yankee Stadium (and to a lesser extent, Fenway)... so what? Is there some sort of magical preparation they’re expected to go through for games there? If the players are actually playing poorly because they’re feeling some sort of pressure, I don’t get what Gardy’s supposed to do about that. I don’t understand what other “preparation” they should be doing in games at Yankee Stadium that they don’t have to do at Kaufman or Whatever Comiskey Is Called Now or anywhere else that they play fairly well.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 26, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if there is any magical way to get them...

prepared, but I think that other teams are more prepared when they walk out onto those fields than the Twins are and I can’t help but wonder why.

I admit that I am showing my anti-RG bias here (but you’ll have to admit that I’ve been a kinder, gentler critic this year than in previous ones), but I think that playing “deer in the headlights” style whenever you come to a certain park has to reflect somewhat on the coaching. The games almost seem to be lost before the first pitch is thrown.

I dunno. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.

Cheers.

"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."

by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Jul 28, 2008 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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