Bullpen hole
The Twins have done a great job of patching holes left by injuries. But one hole they have not patched was left by the Pat Neshek injury. Gardy refuses to leave his starters in long enough to bridge to Joe Nathan. And he refuses to bring Nathan in before the ninth inning. So on this team, the eighth inning set-up guy is a key role. Let's face it, the Twins don't have anybody who can do the job right now.
Exhibit A: June 30.
The Twins have a 4-1 lead going into the seventh inning. Glen Perkins has pitched masterfully, throwing 80 pitches through six innings and holding the Tigers to one run while striking out 7. After getting the first out, he gives up a bloop single and Gardy jumps out of the dugout with a quick hook. Jesse Crain comes in, gives up a hit and a walk and leaves in favor of Dennys Reyes, who promptly allows Perkins' base runner and one of Crain's for two runs. Then Guerrier comes in with the Twins clinging to a 4-3 lead and proceeds to cough up the tying and wining runs. He was lucky to get out of there without giving up more. The Twins lose 5-4.
Exhibit B: July 8.
It's the seventh inning and Nick Blackburn is pitching a gem. He's only thrown 85 pitches with two outs in the bottom of the seventh, but when Boston manager Terry Francona brings in Sean Casey to pinch hit for the Sox back-up catcher, Gardy calls on Reyes, who gets pinch hitter the last out of the seventh, preserving a 5-2 lead. Then Reyes gives up a lead-off double to Ellsbury and Gardy brings in Guerrier, who again had nothing, giving up Reyes's run and three of his own, allowing the Sox to storm back to a 6-5 victory. The most memorable moment for me was the Manny Ramirez homer, which was a letter-high fastball on the inside part of the plate. I could have hit that ball for a homer. So that's two games in nine days in which Guerrier had nothing at all on his pitches and even less control of them. The result was predictable: another loss for the Twins.
I think we can conclude from that that Guerrier is not suited to pitch in those situations. And as Exhibit A shows, Crain isn't ready for that role either. He's still coming back from shoulder surgery. Last night's debacle makes it obvious that Brian Bass is not the answer. And tonight Reyes showed why he is not either--he's only good for one batter at a time. So the Twins have nobody to bridge the gap between starters and the closer against tough teams. If I'm Bill Smith, I'm looking for a guy who can shut the door in the eighth. If there's one thing that stands between this team and a championship, it's the hole left by Pat Neshek's torn elbow ligament.
Any ideas about whom to pursue as the trade deadline nears? I wonder if Huston Street is available, and at what cost.
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Craig Breslow? I’m not sure if he’s hurt or not, but I heard he’s battling a sore back.
Kyle Farnsworth is the most interesting to me, but Chad Bradford, Joe Borowski, Damaso Marte, and Vinnie Chulk all draw my eyes.
I wouldn’t mind giving up even two of the Humber/Mulvey/Duensing trio for someone like Farnsworth.
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by Andersklasen on Jul 9, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
no to Farnsworth and Borowksi
I know Tampa has been looking at Brain Fuentes of the Rockies, he might cost too much. Heath Bell of the Padres could be a good 8th inning guy. The Pads are pretty much out of it, but they are probably looking for a bat
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jul 9, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about bringing someone up?
Korecky was pretty good when he was up and might be worth a shot. There are a number of starters who could be effective relievers, but probably still not a legit 8th inning guy (not right away anyways). But the problem with that is what to do with all the guys already on the major league roster who are out of options.
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by Aaron Fix on Jul 9, 2008 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't completely agree
While I don’t see Guerrier as the guy or obviously Bass (I still wonder wtf Gardy was thinking putting him in on Monday night) I don’t think the argument against Crain is valid.
Since April 15th when Crain gave up 3 ER he’s never given up more than one run in an outing since then and that’s only happened 7 times in 31 appearances (32.1 innings) for a 1.95 ERA. Generally allowing only one run isn’t going to lose the game in the 8th, it will sometimes let the game get tied but still not that often. If you look at Crain since June 1st he’s been damn near striking out at least one guy per inning and has a WHIP or 1.0 to go with that. Honestly I’m pissed that two days in a row Gardy didn’t go to Crain. I don’t think we’d be having this conversation had he pitched in both of the last two games.
In 16 appearances in the 8th inning this year Crain has given up 4 runs (doesn’t say if they’re earned) while opponents batted .156/.208/.289/.497 off of him. Oh and 3 of those 4 runs came on the April 15th date (the only time he’s ever allowed more than one run).
Now while I’m not completely against the Twins acquiring a good setup man I think more than anything Gardy needs to start putting Crain into situations such as the last two games.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 9, 2008 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Breslow
I know he may not have proven himself in the past but he’s another damn good option. I say until the guy starts giving up runs you give him the benefit of the doubt and put him in some higher pressure situations. A .469 WHIP and over 1 K per inning (barely though) is good enough for me to start giving him the 8th inning if other guys can’t handle it. Once again though, why the hell was Bass in there yesterday. AAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 9, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely agree about the lack of logic in bringing on Bass yesterday
and since we can’t seem to get out of the 8th without coughing up the lead on the road, we need to sometimes opt for Nathan early or let the starter stick around. One might say, “Well, you can’t use Nathan the next night if you need him,” but it doesn’t matter if Nathan isn’t going to pitch anyway because the game was lost in the 8th inning.
I also agree with trying Breslow or Korecky in the role. We could try Crain a couple of times in that role, although, I’m a bit a of skeptic with Crain. In any case, something needs to happen because the Twins are going nowhere fast in the present pattern
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by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Jul 9, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Bobby Korecky?
Is this bandwagon starting to roll? :)
by TMW on Jul 9, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He deserves a shot, at least until the Twins can acquire someone better.
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by cmathewson on Jul 9, 2008 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heath Bell?
Is a San Diego fire sale in the works?
cmath, I’m glad you’re on board with me on the bullpen.
by TMW on Jul 9, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but not Korecky
We don’t need guys who give up a lot of base runners in the eighth. My ideal guy is someone else’s closer. Or at least someone with closer experience: Octavio Dotel or Guillermo Mota for example.
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by cmathewson on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Heath Bell, right?
13 BB in 48 IP is a tad high, but the fact that his WHIP is still only 1.01 tells me he’s still hard to hit, even though he pitches at Petco.
by TMW on Jul 9, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bell
I guess he’s a good candidate, though he wouldn’t be my first choice. I look for at least a K an inning and no more than 2 BB per nine innings. Huston Street, for example, has struck out 42 and walked 11 in 38 innings. Bell has struck out 39 and walked 13 in 48 innings. That’s good but I wonder if it’s good enough. On the other hand, he probably will cost less than Street, so he’s a good value. I don’t know.
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by cmathewson on Jul 9, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
Of course I’d rather have Street too, but Billy is going to make any team pay through the nose to rent him. I believe if Bill Smith approached San Diego with Boof for Bell + mid-level prospect, that deal gets done. From what I can see, Bell’s got only 4 years service time under his belt.
I think a guy with 39 Ks out of 48 IP, in addition to giving up only 2 HR and sporting a 1.01 WHIP, is a dominant reliever.
by TMW on Jul 9, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Street
On the other hand, he probably will cost less than Street, so he’s a good value. I don’t know.
yeah, I imagine Street would cost a lot.
Damaso Marte could be a nice pick up too. Ron Mahay has put together a nice season for the Royals, but I dont think the Twins would trade in the division.
If Washington would want to part ways with their closer, Jon Rauch is having a good season. I dont know, there just does not seem to be a whole lot out there
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jul 9, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More depth
He was a stud last year. If he could revert to that form, he’d be perfect.
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by cmathewson on Jul 9, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Korecky?
If you are calling for Korecky then you are in essence saying cut Hernandez or Bonser.
Well, I suppose maybe you could cut Monroe and take an extra pitcher and put Span in Monroe’s spot?
by montanatwinsfan on Jul 9, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty much
Obviously Livan stays if the Twins are contending, but there’s trade value in Boof. If we can’t get a premium reliever for Boof, get what you can and call up Korecky. Of course I would prefer someone like Bell, but I still think Korecky can make this bullpen stronger.
by TMW on Jul 9, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point...
I would say that anyone would make this bullpen stronger.
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by Andersklasen on Jul 9, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't cutting Hernandez be attractive?
Bonser was the odd man out off the rotation because of bad luck and the psychological effect it had on his starts. I still have hopes for him in the rotation, and I definitely want Livan out. I also think Korecky deserves another shot after his gutsy call up earlier.
I’d cut Monroe, but as long as they use him strictly as a pinch hitter/emergency outfielder, there’s no harm in continuing to have him around.
by Neil on Jul 10, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hernandez has trade value
It might not be much, but it has to be more than Ortiz brought back last year, and he garnered Matt Macri. So it’s not an attractive alternative to just cut him and eat the remainder of his salary ($2.5 mil) when you can trade him for a useful piece down the road.
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by cmathewson on Jul 10, 2008 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give Hernandez away
If we get something back, great, but we don’t need it. Just open the spot and relieve the salary.
by snolls on Jul 10, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an 8th inning guy would be great
but i honestly don’t think our bullpen is that bad. For exhibit A, see the game that just ended against the Tigers. 7 1/3 IP, 4 hits, 5 BB, 0 runs from the bullpen. Even good bullpens will blow games from time to time, and before this week against the Red Sox that hadn’t happened a whole lot since April. Would I like another effective reliever? Absolutely, but I’m not going to get carried away about two mis-managed games. If Gardenhire plays his cards competently, the Twins probably go 1-2 against the Red Sox and we don’t have a rash of posts about our bad bullpen.
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by Aaron Fix on Jul 10, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2-1
I know you can’t say we would have won on Monday but had Gardy left Kubel up to bat in the top of the 8th with bases loaded I think he’d have had a much better chance of driving in a run through a walk or hit than Monroe did. Then if Gardy would have just used Crain or even Breslow instead of Bass I think we could have waltzed to the ninth and let Nathan slam the door.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 11, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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