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Cleveland Indians @ Minnesota Twins

08/03/08 2:10 PM EDT

Cleveland Indians Minnesota Twins
Grady Sizemore - CF Denard Span - RF
Jamey Carroll - 3B Nick Punto - 2B
Ben Francisco - RF Mike Redmond - C
Jhonny Peralta - SS Justin Morneau - DH
Kelly Shoppach - C Jason Kubel - LF
Ryan Garko - DH Mike Lamb - 1B
Franklin Gutierrez - LF Brian Buscher - 3B
Andy Gonzalez - 1B Brendan Harris - SS
Asdrubal Cabrera - 2B Carlos Gomez - CF
W-L G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Francisco Liriano 0-3 3 3 0 0 0 10.1 15 13 13 0 13 7 11.32 2.71

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Matt Ginter 1-2 3 3 0 0 0 0 15.0 20 7 7 2 1 9 4.20 1.40

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Delmon

He had a couple of hits last night but he seemed aloof for the second game in a row. I was at the dome on Friday and he looked terrible, I imagine they weren’t too happy about the botched flyball last night. That pretty much broke up Slowey’s groove last night. I wonder sometimes if he’s on some kind of medication to “control” his anger. He was supposed to be this fiery guy coming out of the minors and most nights I watch him, he never gets excited and just seems to wander around on the field and at the plate.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 3, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kubel

And were not talking Jason Kubel “quiet perseverance” type either.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 3, 2008 1:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

random question

Does anyone know where to find BABIP by hit type for individual players, ie BABIP for groundballs, for flyballs, and for line drives? I found those stats for minor leaguers at minorleaguesplits.com, but I can’t find it for major leaguers.

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BABIP by balltype

a couple places.

firstinning has batted ball charts for BABIP by zone, which is the same re: GB type and which also includes overall IFFB rates (as against IF/FB rates a la THT)..

baseball reference has ‘em by ball type. go to the player page. click splits and scroll down a ways. you have to click the year at the top of the splits page if you don’t want career numbers. broken down by GB/FB/LD, but I haven’t checked to see how close their % breakdowns are to THT/firstinning ball type numbers.

by tobynotjason on Aug 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’ll check out those sites.

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not really

I was really trying to find somwhere that broke a hitter’s BABIP down into 3 categories: BABIP on flyballs, BABIP on line drives, and BABIP on ground balls.

For instance: the bottom section of this page http://minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That link didn't work

but if you search a player and look at the bottom section that’s what i’m looking for for MLBers.

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and to get back on track...

What does everyone expect from Liriano today?

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm hoping 6 innings

and 3 runs, 5 strikeouts and a couple of walks. That’d do it for me.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awesome start

3 up 3 down, 2 k’s swinging

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard slider gets Ben Francisco!!!

Three up, three down, two K’s….wicked.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bummer

Diving grab by Sizemore…too bad that one couldn’t sneak by, that’d have been at least a triple for Span…

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday clocked Liriano's fastball

between 90 and 92 in the first inning.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another good fastball,

Peralta grounds out.

One down in the second…keep ‘em comin’.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems to me

that his command of the fastball is pretty good.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

8-pitch inning for Cisco

That’s a good way to get a groove going, I’m liking what I’m seeing for far!

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Liriano's working inside...

....ball 1 to Gutierrez just missed.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frankie

This is what has been rotting in triple a, Sadly enough it took them this long to recognize.

by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for those watching...

Has Liriano thrown anything other than fastball/slider? Gameday hasn’t shown anything else, I’m not sure what other pitches he has.

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He threw a pair

of off-speed pitches in the 2nd.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok

guess I missed those

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hes Thrown a Few Changeups.

by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GOT HIM!

Cabrera down on a slider!

That’s three…

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a strike...

...called on a changeup. Back on track, let’s go.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Changeups

He’s really mixed them in more this inning, at least according to gameday.

by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’ve got to be kidding me. How about you actually make the play instead of doing is lazily.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Punto could have caught it, but the throw was lazy.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

53 pitches 29 for strikes

by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty good count, especially with that long inning. Hopefully he’ll be able to go six or seven today.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he can keep it to a moderate 15 pitches per inning

over the next three, that’ll give him 98 on the night through six. That’d be enough for Gardy to pull him I’m sure.

Maybe he can get a couple of short innings and stretch himself to seven.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

He threw 102 in his last start at Rochester.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

STRUCK HIM OUT

ADABOY LIRIANO!!!!!!!!!

by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got him!

He picked up his defense there…

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Redmond

did a good job there of making him throw some off-speed. It looked like he was trying to overthrow.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True.

Nice job of recognizing that you can’t go back to something that isn’t working time after time, in the hope that it’ll fix itself. He mixed it up and let Liriano get back in control of the plate appearance.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

53 pitches through 3 innings.

That third inning was a long one after he lost control of that fastball.

Let’s hope that last strikeout pumps him back up a little bit.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What’s weird is that right away here he’ll make two starts against two of the teams he faced when he was first called up (KC and CLE).

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HARRIS

HOME RUN!!!!!!!!!!

by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BREN-DAN HAR-RIS!!!!

Harris has been HUGE this last week!!!

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has like 5 doubles and that homerun. He needs to play short everyday until he cools. No Everett.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wicked inning, thanks to Brendan harris.

There’s your lead, Francisco Liriano. Go protect it!

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This week..

..will be big. Heading on the road and facing the Royals and Seattle.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

we have nine at home vs. the Yankees, A’s and Seattle after that. But, we have a 14-game trip at the end of the month.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The defense isn’t helping much. That’s one reason we need Morneau at first…

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh...

They better get Contreras back fast because Richard has not been very good.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

he needed that. I think he’s at 71 pitches now.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's go Punto!

C’mon LNP, earn that #2 spot in the order…

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ginter

only has 43 pitches with a 0-1 count to Morneau. We really need to start hitting better. Than again, this lineup isn’t the best we can do.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

11-pitch inning for Ginter...

....just 45 thtu four.

C’mon guys, a little patience goes a long way.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully we’ll work some fifth inning magic again. The fifth and sixth have been our innings.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We better start hitting pitchers that we don’t see and pitchers that haven’t fared well, because we’re going to see a lot of them coming up.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He just can’t throw a strike to Grady…

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Liriano walks Sizemore

Hopefully that was quasi on purpose to get around Cleveland’s best hitter and set up the force out/double play.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Runners went...

2nd and 3rd.

Another jam to work out of.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that is 85 pitches, but I’m not 100%

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

85 pitches, 45 strikes.

He’s struggling with his location, mostly with the fastball, but he’s had a little help so far. The one miscue hasn’t hurt him.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Liriano

Looks pretty good, having some control issues but thats a given being your first start in 2-3 months.

by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think one reason is that he’s so pumped. The control issues disappeared in AAA, but it’s expected in his first start back. Plus, I think the third one was kinda intentional.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Red Dog

Always says that the fifth is the one you need to get through as a pitcher…

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully

Liriano can get us through six with the lead. I’d like to add a few more runs here too.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m going to be a little upset after this game. I’ll have to wait all week to see Liriano pitch again. Something about him really gets me excited.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could he go one more if he gets this next batter on a pitch or two? Three pitches this inning…

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd give him a shot at the 7th

if he can get Garko in 3 pitches or less.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think so.

It’s too bad. Getting him to at least start the 7th would have given him a boost.

Still, 3 up 3 down in the sixth after trouble in the 3rd, 4th and 5th. You’ve got to feel good about his start, or at least the results.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

No runs in six innings is great no matter who you’re facing. Now we need to get him the win.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the benches cleared in KC…

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

nothing really happened though
Olivo ejected, Ozzie was ejected later, and I think the Sox pitcher was tossed

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 3, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!

Wicked. I wish I could see that…the “lowly” Royals revolting against the AL Central’s evil empire.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's

going on right now? The bases are still loaded in the fifth.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought I saw...

..that Griffey left with hamstring cramps.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Liriano's first start:

6 IP, 3 H, 5 K, 3 BB, 0 R

He threw 96 pitches, but in the end 56 of them were for strikes…which isn’t as bad as it could have been. Just under 60%, so not good, but you could say he was effectively wild tonight.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bunt hit for Denard Span!

Good way to start the inning, let’s get Liriano a little more support here.

C’mon Punto!

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another triple, 4-0!

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LNP!!!!

Twins lead 4-0 on a Nicky triple!!!

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

9-0 Royals

With runners at second and third…

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder

if we’ll be able to trade Livan. I think the Rockies are interested and the Mets were said to be interested. Plus they put Maine on the DL today.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Off-Topic

Looks like the Brewers might fall another game back in the NL Central.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can’t wait to harrass my co-workers tomorrow. We wear biz casual, but screw it… I’m wearing my Twins Jersey all day!

Take that White Sux.

What would my life be like without the '91 World Series?

by MJesser on Aug 3, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go-Go

nearly caught that Grady “double” that Kubel butchered.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah he did

It was an amazing effort.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Booooooo

That wasn’t a swing.

Still…best way to avoid a bad call is to not swing at bad pitches.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomez is due

He hasn’t homered since June 6.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well..

Nathan will be on for the ninth.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So much for the Pudge trade...

Farnsworth has already allowed three runs and Tampa Bay has taken the lead.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet

Go Rays. Knock the Tigers out of it.

Check out Goal Line Blitz, a fun web-based American footbal MMORPG
http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=2882412

by joeiscool12 on Aug 3, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's too bad...

...because even though Pudge-to-the-Yankees just figures, it was one of those trades that works for both teams. The Tigers needed a bullpen arm, and now they can start their search for a young catcher.

But what kind of compensation would the Tigers have gotten for Pudge…compensation that the Yanks will now get when they don’t re-sign him?

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the bottom of the eighth...

...one run for Cleveland, making it 5-2.

Let’s get back a run or two, offense!

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless we score...

Nathan will be on for save number 31.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOOT!

Denard comes back after Juan tries to brush him back…and WHAMMY!!!

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet....Span's HR

was the first Rincon has allowed since he was a Twin.

by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did anybody notice...

..than Franchise went with the Livan jerseys?

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

Check out Goal Line Blitz, a fun web-based American footbal MMORPG
http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=2882412

by joeiscool12 on Aug 4, 2008 2:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He means the vests.

They’re ugly as sin, I despise the vest jerseys.

by Jesse on Aug 4, 2008 8:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KC Wins 14-3

TWINS ARE IN FIRST PLACE BABY!!!!!!!

by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A win tomorrow will put it to a full game ahead. A loss would tie up the division.

by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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