Game 111: Indians @ Twins
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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Weird lineup...
..today. No Mauer or Delmon.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Delmon
He had a couple of hits last night but he seemed aloof for the second game in a row. I was at the dome on Friday and he looked terrible, I imagine they weren’t too happy about the botched flyball last night. That pretty much broke up Slowey’s groove last night. I wonder sometimes if he’s on some kind of medication to “control” his anger. He was supposed to be this fiery guy coming out of the minors and most nights I watch him, he never gets excited and just seems to wander around on the field and at the plate.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 3, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kubel
And were not talking Jason Kubel “quiet perseverance” type either.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 3, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
random question
Does anyone know where to find BABIP by hit type for individual players, ie BABIP for groundballs, for flyballs, and for line drives? I found those stats for minor leaguers at minorleaguesplits.com, but I can’t find it for major leaguers.
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fangraphs?
I haven’t looked, but FanGraphs has a boatload of stats
maybe The Hardball Times has it too
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 3, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I checked those 2 sites...
and couldn’t find them there.
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
is this what you are looking for?
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=2&season=2008&month=0
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 3, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BABIP by balltype
a couple places.
firstinning has batted ball charts for BABIP by zone, which is the same re: GB type and which also includes overall IFFB rates (as against IF/FB rates a la THT)..
baseball reference has ‘em by ball type. go to the player page. click splits and scroll down a ways. you have to click the year at the top of the splits page if you don’t want career numbers. broken down by GB/FB/LD, but I haven’t checked to see how close their % breakdowns are to THT/firstinning ball type numbers.
by tobynotjason on Aug 3, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
I was really trying to find somwhere that broke a hitter’s BABIP down into 3 categories: BABIP on flyballs, BABIP on line drives, and BABIP on ground balls.
For instance: the bottom section of this page http://minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That link didn't work
but if you search a player and look at the bottom section that’s what i’m looking for for MLBers.
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to get back on track...
What does everyone expect from Liriano today?
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping 6 innings
and 3 runs, 5 strikeouts and a couple of walks. That’d do it for me.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liriano strikes out Grady Sizemore to lead it off!
Good start!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard slider gets Ben Francisco!!!
Three up, three down, two K’s….wicked.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bummer
Diving grab by Sizemore…too bad that one couldn’t sneak by, that’d have been at least a triple for Span…
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
yeah was a super play
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Gladden,
that was Grady Anderson with the diving catch.
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geeze
another diving play
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 3, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually two on that play
and both of them frustrating
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday clocked Liriano's fastball
between 90 and 92 in the first inning.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another good fastball,
Peralta grounds out.
One down in the second…keep ‘em comin’.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me
that his command of the fastball is pretty good.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
8-pitch inning for Cisco
That’s a good way to get a groove going, I’m liking what I’m seeing for far!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Liriano's working inside...
....ball 1 to Gutierrez just missed.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankie
This is what has been rotting in triple a, Sadly enough it took them this long to recognize.
by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See, I like that fastball to get Guttierez
Low and away forces the easy grounder
by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for those watching...
Has Liriano thrown anything other than fastball/slider? Gameday hasn’t shown anything else, I’m not sure what other pitches he has.
by Hoya on Aug 3, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He threw a pair
of off-speed pitches in the 2nd.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOT HIM!
Cabrera down on a slider!
That’s three…
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a strike...
...called on a changeup. Back on track, let’s go.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple of changeups to Carrol here
for called strikes. And then the error.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’ve got to be kidding me. How about you actually make the play instead of doing is lazily.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Punto could have caught it, but the throw was lazy.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the pitch count on GameDay?
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good count, especially with that long inning. Hopefully he’ll be able to go six or seven today.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can keep it to a moderate 15 pitches per inning
over the next three, that’ll give him 98 on the night through six. That’d be enough for Gardy to pull him I’m sure.
Maybe he can get a couple of short innings and stretch himself to seven.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He threw 102 in his last start at Rochester.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got him!
He picked up his defense there…
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
White Sucks getting Blown out
bottom 3rd, KC LEads 5-0
by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Redmond
did a good job there of making him throw some off-speed. It looked like he was trying to overthrow.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
53 pitches through 3 innings.
That third inning was a long one after he lost control of that fastball.
Let’s hope that last strikeout pumps him back up a little bit.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s weird is that right away here he’ll make two starts against two of the teams he faced when he was first called up (KC and CLE).
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BREN-DAN HAR-RIS!!!!
Harris has been HUGE this last week!!!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has like 5 doubles and that homerun. He needs to play short everyday until he cools. No Everett.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wicked inning, thanks to Brendan harris.
There’s your lead, Francisco Liriano. Go protect it!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This week..
..will be big. Heading on the road and facing the Royals and Seattle.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
we have nine at home vs. the Yankees, A’s and Seattle after that. But, we have a 14-game trip at the end of the month.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's getting some results
from that changeup now.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The defense isn’t helping much. That’s one reason we need Morneau at first…
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could his defense help him out at all?
Really.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buscher
did a great job there at least.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
They better get Contreras back fast because Richard has not been very good.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
he needed that. I think he’s at 71 pitches now.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go Punto!
C’mon LNP, earn that #2 spot in the order…
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ginter
only has 43 pitches with a 0-1 count to Morneau. We really need to start hitting better. Than again, this lineup isn’t the best we can do.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
11-pitch inning for Ginter...
....just 45 thtu four.
C’mon guys, a little patience goes a long way.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully we’ll work some fifth inning magic again. The fifth and sixth have been our innings.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the offense is not in great order
the last couple of days.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We better start hitting pitchers that we don’t see and pitchers that haven’t fared well, because we’re going to see a lot of them coming up.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He just can’t throw a strike to Grady…
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Liriano walks Sizemore
Hopefully that was quasi on purpose to get around Cleveland’s best hitter and set up the force out/double play.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A douple play would be perfect for Liriano right now.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would have gotten one if the runners weren’t going.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Runners went...
2nd and 3rd.
Another jam to work out of.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that is 85 pitches, but I’m not 100%
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Liriano
Looks pretty good, having some control issues but thats a given being your first start in 2-3 months.
by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think one reason is that he’s so pumped. The control issues disappeared in AAA, but it’s expected in his first start back. Plus, I think the third one was kinda intentional.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Dog
Always says that the fifth is the one you need to get through as a pitcher…
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
Liriano can get us through six with the lead. I’d like to add a few more runs here too.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KC Leads the White Sucks 6-0
Bottom 5, FIRST PLACE HERE WE COME!
by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to be a little upset after this game. I’ll have to wait all week to see Liriano pitch again. Something about him really gets me excited.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gomez has left the bat on his shoulder four pitches in a row!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then he takes strike three...
He’s hitting .435 in the last eight games though.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fouls off strike two
Then looks at strike three.
Ouch. It looked so promising. Le sigh.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could he go one more if he gets this next batter on a pitch or two? Three pitches this inning…
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd give him a shot at the 7th
if he can get Garko in 3 pitches or less.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
90 pitches
I really want him to at least start the seventh.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so.
It’s too bad. Getting him to at least start the 7th would have given him a boost.
Still, 3 up 3 down in the sixth after trouble in the 3rd, 4th and 5th. You’ve got to feel good about his start, or at least the results.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
No runs in six innings is great no matter who you’re facing. Now we need to get him the win.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the benches cleared in KC…
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
nothing really happened though
Olivo ejected, Ozzie was ejected later, and I think the Sox pitcher was tossed
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 3, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
Wicked. I wish I could see that…the “lowly” Royals revolting against the AL Central’s evil empire.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's
going on right now? The bases are still loaded in the fifth.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I saw...
..that Griffey left with hamstring cramps.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liriano's first start:
6 IP, 3 H, 5 K, 3 BB, 0 R
He threw 96 pitches, but in the end 56 of them were for strikes…which isn’t as bad as it could have been. Just under 60%, so not good, but you could say he was effectively wild tonight.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bunt hit for Denard Span!
Good way to start the inning, let’s get Liriano a little more support here.
C’mon Punto!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LNP!!!!
Twins lead 4-0 on a Nicky triple!!!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
9-0 Royals
With runners at second and third…
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad pitch to swing at, Kubes.
Better luck next time.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
if we’ll be able to trade Livan. I think the Rockies are interested and the Mets were said to be interested. Plus they put Maine on the DL today.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He clears waivers on Tuesday,
so we’ll probably hear something mid-week.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off-Topic
Looks like the Brewers might fall another game back in the NL Central.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I shouldn't laugh.....but ok, I will.
Hahahaha….
...it’s a good day to be a Twins fan.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait to harrass my co-workers tomorrow. We wear biz casual, but screw it… I’m wearing my Twins Jersey all day!
Take that White Sux.
What would my life be like without the '91 World Series?
by MJesser on Aug 3, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go-Go
nearly caught that Grady “double” that Kubel butchered.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Booooooo
That wasn’t a swing.
Still…best way to avoid a bad call is to not swing at bad pitches.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gomez is due
He hasn’t homered since June 6.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He also hasn't walked
since July 19.
Yes, he’s due.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
Nathan will be on for the ninth.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So much for the Pudge trade...
Farnsworth has already allowed three runs and Tampa Bay has taken the lead.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Go Rays. Knock the Tigers out of it.
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by joeiscool12 on Aug 3, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's too bad...
...because even though Pudge-to-the-Yankees just figures, it was one of those trades that works for both teams. The Tigers needed a bullpen arm, and now they can start their search for a young catcher.
But what kind of compensation would the Tigers have gotten for Pudge…compensation that the Yanks will now get when they don’t re-sign him?
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the bottom of the eighth...
...one run for Cleveland, making it 5-2.
Let’s get back a run or two, offense!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless we score...
Nathan will be on for save number 31.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it's Juan Rincon!!!
Welcome, sir Rincon.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is the post juice Rincon we have known
Atta boy Juan
by guinness junky on Aug 3, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOOT!
Denard comes back after Juan tries to brush him back…and WHAMMY!!!
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet....Span's HR
was the first Rincon has allowed since he was a Twin.
by Jesse on Aug 3, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was Span's
second homerun this week too.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody notice...
..than Franchise went with the Livan jerseys?
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
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by joeiscool12 on Aug 4, 2008 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He means the vests.
They’re ugly as sin, I despise the vest jerseys.
by Jesse on Aug 4, 2008 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Chicago comes back that is...
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I wouldnt underestimate the Royals ability to suddenly remember they are the Royals.
by guinness junky on Aug 3, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC Wins 14-3
TWINS ARE IN FIRST PLACE BABY!!!!!!!
by Tony_O on Aug 3, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A win tomorrow will put it to a full game ahead. A loss would tie up the division.
by Twins Territory on Aug 3, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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