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Game 136: Twins @ Athletics

Minnesota Twins at Oakland Athletics, Aug 30, 2008 9:05 PM EDT


Pregame

After a massive game from the offense, the Twins will try to pick up some sort of momentum by winning two in a row.  They'll have to get to Dallas Braden to make that happen, a guy whose spent four stints with the Athletics...in 2008 alone.  Braden's an interesting study, a guy who can pitch efficiently or slow things down to tally some strikeouts.  He struck out seven over five and two-thirds two starts ago, against the Twins, but didn't manage a single one in seven innings against the Angels in his last outing.  With an 87-mph fastball, and a curve, slider and changeup (all between 74 and 78 mph), he's another Oakland specimen who may not be overpowering but is quite adept at getting outs.  Over his last four starts he's thrown 26.2 innings, allowing 25 hits, three homers and 13 runs, along with 14 strikeouts and five walks.

With Kevin Slowey's great performance on Friday night, the Twins have the right guy taking the hill to make it two in a row.  Francisco Liriano's been highly a highly effective pitcher since his return, if not the most efficient, but in five starts he's struck out 18 in 29.2 innings with a 1.21 ERA.  Guys are putting the ball in play still, but he's getting lots of ground balls while being what's commonly dubbed "effectively wild".  In 2006, opponents managed just a .306 slugging percentage versus Liriano; in 2008 that number is up to just .311.  In 2006, opponents posted a .260 on-base percentage; thanks to all the additional walks throughout the season, opponents in '08 are reaching at a .341 clip.  Luckily, as evidenced over his last few performances, that number is on its way down.

Another Boston win would be a great help tonight.


W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2008 - Dallas Braden 4-3 16 7 0 0 0 0 56.2 57 26 26 6 19 34 4.13 1.34


W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2008 - Francisco Liriano 4-3 8 8 0 0 0 0 40.0 36 20 17 1 24 30 3.83 1.50

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Let's go Twins!

Come on, Frankie! Let’s go seven tonight, eh?

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by Andersklasen on Aug 30, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Lineups Courtesy of Joe Christenson

Twins (76-59)

1. Denard Span, RF
2. Nick Punto, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Jason Kubel, DH
6. Delmon Young, LF
7. Brendan Harris, 3B
8. Alexi Casilla, 2B
9. Carlos Gomez, CF

Starting pitcher: LH Francisco Liriano (4-3, 3.83 ERA)

Athletics (62-73)

1. Rajai Davis, CF
2. Bobby Crosby, SS
3. Emil Brown, LF
4. Frank Thomas, DH
5. Ryan Sweeney, RF
6. Kurt Suzuki, C
7. Daric Barton, 1B
8. Cliff Pennington, 3B
9. Eric Patterson, 2B

Starting pitcher: LH Dallas Braden (4-3, 4.13 ERA)

by Tony_O on Aug 30, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets..

..take a series split tonight and then go for the win tomorrow. We can’t afford anything less that two wins here in Oakland.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

White Sox...

..trail Boston 5-1 in the second inning. Hopefully we can move into first tonight and start moving ahead tomorrow. Go F-Bomb!

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Guys on 2nd and 3rd two outs. Swisher strikes out. Red Sox still up 5-2 bottom of the 4th

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Youkilis

Does anyone know if Youkilis is injured? They have Jeff Bailey playing first and batting 9th. Is Youk just getting a day off?

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

middle of the 5th

Still 5-2 Boston. GO RED SOX!!

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

7-2

bottom of the 7th.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Looks like

Mauer is still in the goove. Two out signle to raise the average to .326

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish

we would give Buscher some at-bats at third and let Harris play short for Punto. It looks like he needs a break out there.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Harris isn't going to play short

If Punto gets a day off, Everett will be in there. Harris is a third baseman now and a shortstop of last resort.

I don’t know if I agree, but that is the way it is.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everett

Is he still injured? he wasn’t doing so bad I wouldn’t mind him out there at some point. Then again, Punto’s been hitting well lately.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Punto

was hitting well until his 0-6 last night.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

one night

I can’t hold one bad night against him. I just hope Gardy only keeps him in the 2 hole for a short period either way though.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

Punto with a hit after going 0-7

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang

pickoff. At least that means Mauer will get to start out with a fresh at bat next inning. Since he was down 0-2 that’s not the worst thing in the world.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Good start

for Liriano. Threw a few pitches to the last batter, but just 14 overall in a 1-2-3 inning.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Lefties

picking up the hits thus far for the Twins.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

well

Punto was the only righty so far. and it’s not exactly fair to call him a “hitter.”

by Hoya on Aug 30, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I should have said we’re doing well against another leftie so far instead. We’ll face another tomorrow and then one Tuesday too for seven in a row.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

That’s crazy. According to Joe C. on his blog, it hasn’t happened since 1991.

by Hoya on Aug 30, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

it’s good that it’s happening now rather than earlier in the season. We have hit better against lefties since the break.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back to back

hits by Kubel and Young and we have a threat with one out here in the second. Hopefully we can give Franchise an early lead tonight with the Red Sox up 7-2 on the White Sox.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice inning

8 pitches 3 outs, can’t get a whole lot better than that.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

what a great second inning for Liriano. Just 7 pitches for three quick outs.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

nice inning

3 ground outs, though his control was lacking.

by Hoya on Aug 30, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm

watching Minnesota a little and the Misouri/Illinois game along with the Twins.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Watching the Gophers-Northern Illinois on the Big Ten Network

Damn Northern Illinois is Leading now 27-24

by Tony_O on Aug 30, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing

after three. I just have a feeling we’re going to have a break out inning soon though. We’ve been hitting pretty decent so far.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

that means

that, once again, a win puts the Twins in first place!

by Hoya on Aug 30, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woohoo

The AL CENTRAL LEad is their for the Taking Boys!

by Tony_O on Aug 30, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pedroia

goes 4-4 and is now hitting .327 on the season.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did

this Pennington guy just get called up?

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Big 3rd Down for the Gophers D here

5 and a half minutes left in the game, 3rd and 9, down by 3

by Tony_O on Aug 30, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

and

francisco wins the battle!

by Hoya on Aug 30, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Long inning

but Liriano gets the job done. Hopefully that was the “long, tough” inning for him tonight.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Another

threat with two on and one out. Lets do something this time around!

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Harris

is killing me tonight. That is twice now that with two one he’s grounded out. The first time they just got one, this time they end the inning.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Back to Twins Baseball

4 innings, 5 hits, 1 walk and 0 RUNS!!! Whahoo!!!!

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Harris and the bottom three have ended both potential rallies.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great time for a K

Now let’s hope the speedy 3 can do some damage.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Gomez

needs to get a bunt down. Enough of these fouls.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Span

Span goes deep for the 2-0 cushion.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it true

That in each of Liriano’s four wins, he pitched the club into first?

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I know 3 of them forsure were

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I think so. And the other one he got a ND.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet

Didn’t see that coming, Span continues his odd domination versus lefties!

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

gameday

anyone else’s not working right now?

by Hoya on Aug 30, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yah

Mine works for every game but the Twins game. I switched over to gamecast

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm

watching on TV, but have it up just because. It didn’t work at the beginning of the inning, but is fine now.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mauer v Pedroia

Should be an epic battle to the end for the batting title. Pedroia is a best, saw the game on WGN today. He was just pounding Buerhle and the White Sox

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

He is hitting

.327 through the game. I think it’ll be between him and Mauer right now. Both are hitting pretty well as of late.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a big error

Liriano needs a quick inning now to get us back to the plate with a lead.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

just these past games. Nobody on the A’s team is really hitting, it just seems like he does the most damage.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cust was 5-21

against the Twins this year with the homer last night coming in. He was 2-15 last year and had his lowest OPS vs. the Twins. Many boards have had posters complain that Cust could have been picked up for nothing early in the ‘07 season, which is true, but he really hasn’t been much of a factor against the Twins.

I probably just jinxed the Twins, now.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess

I was just going off these two games with his homeruns :)

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good inning

other than that leadoff homerun.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a freak HR

That’ll happen playing baseball, Cust just took the first pitch in the inning. Not really Cisco’s fault

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

I’ve been a big promoter of Harris over the past 2 months, but he’s been a black hole in the lineup tonight

U-G-L-Y

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Harris, bah

I would rather see Macri up there as Buscher’s RH platoon partner.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure if their will be space for Harris next year

Depending on what we do during the offseason we have a fair amount of guys that his current role

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the up side

He’s actually 2nd on the team in doubles this year. I don’t know if that’s a credit to him necessarily, or that it just reinforces how much of a singles team we are.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

he hasn’t been bad, but it just seems like we have so many youngsters (Tolbert, Macri, etc.) that need spots.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Punto signed through next year?

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll

probably get your wish on Monday (Tuesday).

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt

Macri will come in and just take over playing time though, Tolbert might though. Gardy was a big fan of him, diving into first and all…

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't

expect Macri to play much when he comes up. I hope Pridie doesn’t either. Gardy better not just mess with the whole lineup and try to get these guys in. We’re in a race, no auditioning guys.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect

Most of whoever comes up will just be minor role players, unless one of them really shows us something off the bat.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good job Cisco

Setting himself up to go 7, maybe 8 if he gets a couple of quick outs.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

86 pitches

after six, should go seven at least.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad last nights offensive showing

wasn’t a prelude of more to come. Twins handed another QS (quality start) to an inferior MLB pitcher.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Every

times they put up a bunch of runs they are sluggish the next night. I kinda expected this. Hopefully we can win the low-scoring game this time around (NO CRAIN!).

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crain is going to be a big part of this team again soon

He’s going through a bit of a rough patch mentally. He has superior stuff, but lately he hasn’t pitched or acted like it. Just give it some time yet.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it still 2-1 twins?

this is the only page of my internet that’s working, so i can’t check.

by Hoya on Aug 30, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

unfortuanetely

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Punto is a free agent

Macri and Harris are similar players. Macri hasn’t hit well in the minors, but was good during his time in Minnesota. I like Macri because he’s big and has some power.

What I don’t like about Harris was shown on a couple grounders to the left side. He doesn’t move until the ball is almost upon him. He really has poor range and was a disaster on the DP pivot at second.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Punto vs. Harris

It comes down to whether you want a good defensive replacement or a guy who can hit better(usually hit better at least). I think they’ll let Punto walk and keep Harris knowing they’ve got Tolbert who can be the new Punto.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Aug 30, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as Gardy has his job

So will Punto. Plain and simple.

I don’t like it, but that’s just the way it is.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only position Harris can play adequetly is 2nd

And Gardy doesn’t like him there so I don’t seem him playing a significant role on this team. On the other hand it’s not a given that the Twins will just let him leave after 1 season.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think Harris was terrible at second. He could not turn a double play

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

more of I disagree

Harris couldn’t turn a double play. He caught what he got to, but with limited range and seemingly poor instincts. He’s not a 2B. As a shortstop, his nice arm helped and his instincts seemed better. Lack of range doesn’t kill you at third, if you can charge slow hoppers, but you have to hit and Harris’ hitting has not consistently been good enough to be a corner infielder.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that whole thing was overblown

Gardy’s judgment’s on those types of things always came down to, “Well if it doesn’t look good, then somethings wrong”. Harris looked kind of awkward at times but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t turn it. The point I was trying to make is that his range and overall ability was adequate at second but terrible every where else.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overall though

This is the reason he’s been with so many organizations over the past 7 years or whatever. His bat is intriguing but he lacks a definite position. Hopefully the Twins will pick up on that sooner rather than later and send him off to the next interested team.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times are they going to allow Gomez to bunt out like that?

It’s absolutely infuriating and downright bush league. Send him down to the minors to bunt the ball like that.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Liriano

Man, he seems to be getting stronger. I suppose 7 is enough. We will have choices about who to pitch the eighth.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon guys

An insurance run or two for the bullpen please.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

It will be tough

to get to Nathan. Let’s go 8th inning guys.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Not counting on it

But it would be nice if Gardy got him up at the first sign of trouble

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Huge hitter for Guerrier

With Davis’ speed, allowing him to get on is like allowing a double.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Guerrier is back?

Much better on this road trip. I still wince when he pitches in the eighth, though,

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to know Guerrier isn't as bad

As that terrible stretch he had. Him and Crain have basically taken turns being the scapegoat for the entire bullpen. Though I suppose Bass took a lot of heat too. But he was always pretty much bad. Good to see they got him back into a starting gig down in Rochester.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

And Harris finishes his night

Very appropriately

K!!!

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

True that

Has a starter given up more than 4 earned runs yet?

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey there's the human gameday!

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have returned

to the game thread after a day of work and I also greet my VP! How are you? Ready to lead the Twins to another win?

by BCTwins on Aug 30, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last time we joined forces

I think we lost that game…

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heart of the lineup

vs. Nathan in the ninth. This is what he gets paid to do.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Note to Joe Nathan

The offense is very sorry for their ineptitude tonight, but this is one game we fans don’t need to be made any more interesting.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay Joe that's enough

Time to have a little twitch fit and put these guys away

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

and that is the game

Nathan blows it and throws it away…..

by BCTwins on Aug 30, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

that is upsetting

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Terrible

Nathan was awful. Had no control and appeared to be overthrowing, then made that terrible play at the end.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 30, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

OUCH!

I didnt expect Nathan to be responsible for two losses on this road trip

by .mnqwerd on Aug 30, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Well as I've said before

this is what happens when you don’t put crappy teams away. They up and do something heroic.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Methinks Joe wasn't feeling well

his fastball was pretty slow, and when he did try to throw harder he was just plain erratic.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

You get the hindsight award

for the day

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why the hell would Guardado close?

That’s an armchair fan comment.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Guardado

Is a Proven Closer and Can Be the Closer when your Current Closer is in Trouble

by Tony_O on Aug 30, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might have been the dumbest comment

I have ever read on this board.

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Aug 31, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Four

times the bullpen has blown winnable games on this trip. This is not a playoff team if they can’t cap off games.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Most of it is in their heads too. So much of this teams bullpen success was due to their unbeatable demeanor. This is just plain sad because they are better than all of this that we’ve seen the past couple of months.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 30, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four

fricken times in less than two weeks. I’m pretty sure the White Sox have lost a few of those times too. It is so sickening to see us blow great starts every single game. Guerrier finally finishes a scoreless inning and Nathan looks like crap.

He tried to overpower everybody instead of pitching. Then he tried to work himself out of his jam with a stupid play. There is no way he was going to get the runner at third. If we don’t split tomorrow, we’re in big trouble.

by Twins Territory on Aug 30, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

we have to beat these teams..

Seattle in the gutter, same with Oakland. This is getting embarrassing…
It’s back to the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyyNHcTCQ8

by MagikLair on Aug 30, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

I’m still sick from this. I hope we kill them tomorrow to get my spirits up. I’m not sure I can handle a 3-1 series loss to the A’s.

by Twins Territory on Aug 31, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh

and how are we just a half-game back with these blown games on the trip? Oh well, I’ll take it.

by Twins Territory on Aug 31, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

keep it in perspective

we still have a decent shot at a 7-7 road trip.

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Aug 31, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really...

You really expect to get out of this 7-7 with the bullpen the way it is?

Twins Fix
http://www.twinsfix.com

by Andersklasen on Aug 31, 2008 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

IDK

we’d need to win today and take two in Toronto. It’s not an easy task.

by Twins Territory on Aug 31, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope

I am hoping that this will end some of the talk about exhausting Nathan as much as the rest of bullpen, ie, let’s trot him out in the 8th of every close game. I think the bigger problem is figuring out why our bullpen is Cy Young at home and Tony Young out of town.

The only stat that counts is W

by wayback on Aug 31, 2008 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

word

"I don't care about feelings." - Lou Piniella

by natetheskate on Aug 31, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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