Game 112: Twins @ Mariners
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Minnesota Twins @ Seattle Mariners
Pregame
From the Mariners' Series Preview:
Miguel Batista: It's been one of the worst statistical seasons of this 37-year old's career. The right-hander is usually good for 190 innings, and as things go wasn't a bad number three or four guy for the last seven years. This year it seems he's lost his command, walking more guys (59) than he's struck out (57). Yet the Mariners are seemingly in a position where they can't not keep giving him starts. They've tried him in the bullpen, where he still gets rocked, but with Erik Bedard on the disabled list and even a guy like R.A. Dickey getting run out to pitch every five days, Seattle doesn't seem to have many good options (Carlos Silva, anyone?). But back to Batista, his scouting report is as follows: he'll walk you and he'll give up a gopher ball or two if you just wait for your pitch. Don't force anything, because he'll destroy himself. Now that I've sufficiently cursed the Twins, I'll move on.
On the mound for the away team is southpaw Glen Perkins, who's coming off of back-to-back sup-par performances. In New York on July 23rd he was tagged for five runs on eight hits through six, while on the 29th he allowed four runs on seven hits through six. While Perkins is a pitcher who's going to average more than a hit per inning, he needs to avoid letting offenses string the hits together; the old phrase "a bloob and a blast will kill ya" applies here. As a fly-ball pitcher and as someone who will pitch higher in the zone, it will be vital for Perk to hit his spots. Still, in spite of being one of the hardest hit starters in Minnesota's rotation, he's still been effective on the season, and hopefully he can get back on track tonight against a struggling Mariners team and a lineup that doesn't offer much in the way of threats. One good thing about tonight is that as a southpaw, Perkins will be able to keep a close eye on Ichiro should he reach first base.
Over at Lookout Landing, SBNation's great Mariners blog, Matthew said this about Perk in his preview:
Glen Perkins is one of Minnesota's many young pitchers. He made some appearances in relief the past two years but stepped into the rotation full time this season and has performed at a back end level. He doesn't miss many bats or get many strikeouts, but like all Minnesota pitchers, he throws strikes. If he kept the ball on the ground a bit more he'd approach league average, but as it stands, his tRA sits at 5.09.
For the Mariners, I'd expect this lineup versus Glen Perkins: Ichiro (RF), Bloomquist (SS), Ibanez (LF), Beltre (3B), Lopez (2B), Vidro (DH), Cairo (1B), Johjima (C), Reed (CF)
For the Twins against a RHP I'll go with: Span (RF), Punto (2B), Mauer (C), Morneau (1B), Kubel (DH), Young (LF), Buscher (3B), Harris (SS), Gomez (CF)
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My Predicted Lineup
1. Span RF
2. Punto 2b
3. Mauer C
4. Morneau 1B
5. Young LF
6. Ruiz DH
7. Buscher 3B
8.Harris SS
9. Gomez CF
by Tony_O on
Aug 4, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
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Ruiz over Kubel with a homerun prone righty on the mound? Not likely.
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by Corey Ettinger on
Aug 4, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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Big stretch upcoming for lefty bats
This of course bodes well considering our best hitters are all lefties. Anyways I looked again and over the next 4 series, if everyone’s rotation holds will only face one left-handed starter over the next 12 games. That being Jarod Washburn on Wednesday. Otherwise, KC doesn’t have a lefty. The Yankees, if they don’t move guys around, we’ll miss Pettitte (and Joba thank god). Then Seattle again, though they have some wierd days off so they might juggle their rotation. If they were smart they’d keep Silva out of the dome… Time for Morneau, Mauer, Kubel, Span, Buscher and even Lamb to take charge.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Lineup without Kubel
Are we really back to this? Kubel has one bad night at the plate and he’s sitting again?
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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What happened to the whole
“I know who my DH is” bs. Gardy you tool
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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Kubel's was in there...
...he got scratched a few minutes ago.
1. Denard Span, RF
2. Nick Punto, 2B
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau 1B
5. Mike Lamb, DH
6. Delmon Young LF
7. Brian Buscher 3B
8. Brendan Harris SS
Carlos Gomez, CF
by Twins Territory on
Aug 4, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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oh
okay, well I hope everything is alright. I was considering calling out shananagans after the organization has gone so far now trusting it’s youngsters. Giving up Livan and Monroe and such.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
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Joba leaves Yankee game with injury likely
Never mind 2006 Liriano being an injury waiting to happen, everyone had to see this coming.
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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Screw up By Bert
Did anybody else just hear Bert Say Lamb is 7 for 4 against Batista in his career?
by Tony_O on
Aug 4, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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Something better still be wrong with Kubel
If we’re bring up small sample sizes i think Kubes is 2 for 2 against Batista
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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Okay, I have no problem putting Lamb in the line-up, but how on earth can you justify having him bat behind Morneau? Do they want him to get walked every time…
And just as I say that he delivers with a double. Hmm. Nice.
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by joeiscool12 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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La Velle...
..said he thinks there are four teams that are interested in Livan.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 4, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
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Rockies, Mets...
for sure.
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by joeiscool12 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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Yeah
But the thing is if he gets claimed you have to do a deal with that team or realese him (I think that’s how the DFA would work after July). We’ll find out tomorrow.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 4, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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John Kruk on the Twins:
“You see, the Twins knew they couldn’t re-sign Torii Hunter, but they had to replace him. They knew they couldn’t get someone as good as Torii, but they could get someone as good as him, and that’s exactly what they did…”
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by joeiscool12 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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BBTN yesterday
He was talking about how he had talked to Nick Punto personally yesterday after Liriano’s victory. I had a fun time envisioning that conversation.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
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Literally, LOLed.
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by joeiscool12 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
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Gomez
may not be quite as strong as Torii but Gomez will be a better defender and better at getting on base. Gomez is a good player and in a few years we will be forgetting ever about Torii…..its just that simple
by 33MorneauMVP on
Aug 4, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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Young
weak… hit the ball like a man
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
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What's the Seattle bullpen like?
73 pitches in 3 innings for Batista. Ouch…
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
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Bummer
Well good thing it’s not an injury I guess…
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
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Batista
Man this dude is really laboring. Haven’t seen someone pitch this terribly in a while.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
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didnt
Livan stand up to Batista?
by 33MorneauMVP on
Aug 4, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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At least Livo threw strikes
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
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true
63 walks and 59 Ks isnt a very good BB/K ratio is it?
by 33MorneauMVP on
Aug 4, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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....
nvm
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:18 PM EDT
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Awfully early
To start bringing out the lefties…
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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Can
can we face the M’s 15 more times?
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on
Aug 4, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
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Mauer's odd splits
Vs Lefthanders .366/.416/.571
Vs Righthanders .293/.407/.397
I knew he had been hitting lefties well, didn’t realize that he’s actually preferred them this year.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
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I think
opponents will now have to change their tactic there…they might have to start bringing in the righties to face Mauer.
by 33MorneauMVP on
Aug 4, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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Buscher
Bummer, would have been nice to see him start having better at bats vs lefthanders. Oh well, if the game was on the line could have called on Ruiz in that situation.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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Gomez?
He okay, didn’t run into a wall again did he?
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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He is fine
he made the catch right at the wall and knew where he was the whole time. He didnt have to leap either although John Gordo made it sound like he robbed a homer
by 33MorneauMVP on
Aug 4, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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Gameday
had that Ibanez out against the wall
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
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Span
So nice to see him at the top of the lineup. What a great at bat.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
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And Go-Go has been so much better at the bottom…
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Aug 4, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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Yea he needs some time to work things out
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Aug 4, 2008 11:37 PM EDT
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Kudos to Denard Span
He really has been having quality plate appearances after years of looking like he wouldn’t hit. I certainly never expected him to succeed at this level, so well done.
by Eric in Madison on
Aug 4, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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This month...
..will be huge. We play Seattle like nine times and Oakland seven. Plus a series against the Royals. Hopefully we can pull ahead.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 4, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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yeah
Oakland has dropped out of contention so the Twins should be able to pick up at least 5 wins against them.
by 33MorneauMVP on
Aug 4, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
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Royals
Unfortuanetely they’re not as bad as they played in the 1st half. There offense is starting to click and they have some decent pitchers on their staff. I think they White Sox may have lit their fire a bit. They just finished beating Boston behind a real gritty performance by Gil Meche: 6 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 5 BB, 9K
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
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anybody know how much longer Wood's can throw
he’s been in for awhile, is he a longman?
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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Oh boys
You give Young too much respect (vs lefties 257/292/381)
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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But now his OBP is skyrocketing!
Seriously, we have walked like 8 times tonight.
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by joeiscool12 on
Aug 4, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
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... So much for going for the jugular
18 baserunners and only 6 runs.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Aug 4, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
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Ulger
If I remember correctly he enjoys having Morneau thrown out at home
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 4, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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Gordo
Gordo said that Justin missed home palte on his slide
true?
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on
Aug 4, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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Common Mauer
You’re having Perkins be too predictable, mix in the curveball man.
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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Perkins
He must be really taking on Anderson’s tutelage. This pitching to contact thing makes me sick sometimes. He was more of a battler throughout the minors. More strikeouts, more walks, less hits.
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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Ouch
waiting for that to happen
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by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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...
Can’t be that hittable in this league bud. Though you probably should have been lifted there for Reyes or Breslow.
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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well
that just sucked the air out of this game
at least we still have the lead
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Aug 5, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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Dang it...
One bad pitch.
And Bass was the only one warmed up…
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Aug 5, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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Get the bats out again boys
didn’t put this away when you had the chance. Looks like we get some training on the difference between pretenders and champions. Lucky you’re playing the bottom of the barrel tonight.
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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Good lord...
Give him the free pass and bring in Guerrier.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
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Gardy
This one’s on you skip
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by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
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One batter too late, Gardy...
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Aug 5, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
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I'm not watching live
... but there’s no way I let Perkins face Ibanez with two other lefties in the pen.
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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........
I don’t get it. Bass sucks. Why bring him in?
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Aug 5, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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Doesn't matter
nobody was warmed up including Bass
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Aug 5, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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I’m confused. Why would nobody being warmed up mean that Bass should have come in?
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Aug 5, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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I'm confused too
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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Are You Kidding!
how did this game get tied!
don’t answer, I’m watching it but still HOW???
no way you let this team back into it.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:29 AM EDT
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Really Smart Move By Gardenhire
Bring Brian F*ckin Bass in with the Bases Loaded, That was the Stupidest Move i have ever seen, Thats where a guy like Breslow would have gotten out with the lead in tact, Good Going Gardy, You Moron
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Aug 5, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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Er, its supposed to say With the game on the line, not with the bases loaded
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Aug 5, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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geez guys settle down
before the wheels really fall off this game
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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This is why were the Twins and not Champions
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Aug 5, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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Stupid games like these
that should have been put away 3 innings ago
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Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
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by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:32 AM EDT
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well the game isn't over yet
and the score is still tied, but I think there might have been alittle over confidence on the Twins after scoring 6.
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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havent
havent you learned anything this year
dont give up hope yet
yeah, it sucks that its tied up, but the Twins still have 2 at bats
we’ll get ahead somehow
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on
Aug 5, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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Bass
Should be DFA’d, Anybody in the Minors could throw the ball better than this Jack off
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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I agree
He should’ve gone instead of Livan, and he should go now for anybody (Korecky, Barrett, etc). And this isn’t a knee jerk reaction, I thought this before the game.
by Hoya on
Aug 5, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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Somebody needs to take his place, Hell id even Be happy with Frank Viola at his current age Trotting out their to pitch, Anybody but Bass
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Aug 5, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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Don't understand personally
He struggled early last year in Rochester’s pen, then when he moved into their rotation he really settled in. So why throw him back into the reliever mode?
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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To be fair Bass has some tools
92-95 mph fastball
decent slider
decent change
functional curve
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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Wow
I stop watching for a few minutes are the game is tied. We cannot lose this game. It just feel like we’ll lose all momentum…
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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and another pitching change
Gardy is going to go thru the whole pen at this rate.
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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Liriano likes the vests...
But Francisco Liriano told me today that he requested the vests for his comeback game, not out of tribute but because he likes them. Considering he pitched six shutout innings in them, I asked if he intended to wear them again. He smiled and nodded. Nothing trumps superstition, after all.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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We're gonna lost this thing....
WOW
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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the Twins lose the lead!
this is freakin’ unbelievable
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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I really hope this isn’t the turning point in the season. It just feels really bad to blow a six-run lead to one of the worst teams.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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I hate to be negative
But i really feel this team just cant handle the pressure of being in First place.
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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I hope that isn't the case
no way the Twins can hope to win the division on the last day again, they are going to need to be in first for while to win it
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:40 AM EDT
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Yeah
They need to pull away with these A’s and Seattle games.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:41 AM EDT
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Quick guys who's on your speed dial?
Korecky
Barrett
Gomez
Delaney
Other?
I wish they would’ve promoted Slama by now, he might have been ready soon.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:41 AM EDT
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Cali, Depaula, Graves, Humber, Mulvey, hell Give Me Shooter Hunt!
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
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If we..
..lose this we need Baker and Blackburn to get us the series.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:41 AM EDT
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Apology for the F-Bomb, This Pisses Me Off
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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man, and I have to watch the Seattle broadcast here
these guys sound like they are winning game 7 of the WS
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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I think we should have given up an A-ball player to take a chance on Hawkins. Bass and Bonser are NOT going to do us any good.
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:44 AM EDT
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Current state of bullpen
Guerrier—too hittable
Crain—too inconsistent
Reyes—too one dimentional
Breslow—not dominant
Bass—don’t get me started
Bonser—duh…
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:44 AM EDT
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keep telling myself, it's just one game
it’s just one game
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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You Can Say That, But when your in Such a tight Race for the AL Central Lead Like the Twins are now, You have to win Games vs Garbage Teams, enjoy The First Place while it lasted Twins, Because the Chi-Sox are going to blow us out of the water.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
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Thats it
Turned it to ESPN, i would much Rather Watch The Repetative Brett Favre Saga over This Garbage Gardenhire is trying to pass off as a Bullpen.
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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Of all people why would he bring in Bass? That doesn’t even make sense. How can he trust him in a tight game?
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This is a good game for the management
They need to see what they have in their bullpen. It’s in full view now and it’s time to start making decisions on that front now too.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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In Other News
Brett Favre has been Reinstated Lol, I just dont care about the Twins game.
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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Gotta Be Kidding
This feels like one of those Madden No-Fuckin-Way games…where the computer magically comes back and you end up tripping over your own nuts.
by rroan28 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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Ha or sitting on your own nuts
I hear that’s pretty painful
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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Jesse, wherever you are
I’m expecting a full bullpen breakdown tomorrow, including where help might be on its way.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Aug 5, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
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Well
that certainly qualifies as an implosion
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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Implosion?
Since Ichiro is in the building, I’d say this one is a Hiroshima-style blowup.
by rroan28 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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ouch
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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Yeah...
I went there. If I don’t laugh I’ll have to cry.
by rroan28 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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lol
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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it's actually Japan baseball heritage night there
so they dropped an A-bomb on us
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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Guerrier...
I’m sorry we misjudged you buddy. You were a good long-man but now Toto’s a long ways away from Kansas.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Aug 5, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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Im Sick to Death of Hearing
Oh we should expect this, we are in a rebuilding your, Fuck you, Yeah we are in a Rebuilding year But Jesus H Fuckin Tap Dancing Christ, That Was Pathetic, Your in the AL Central Lead by 1/2 game and you let the Lowly Fucking Seattle God Damn Mariners Score 10 Fucking Runs in an inning to Take the Lead when your leading 6-1??????? This Team wont do Shit, We Wont Make the Playoffs, We are going to Get Destroyed by that God dAmn Moron Ozzie Guillen and Those Fuckin White Sox, I Hope youve enjoyed first place Twins Territory, Because thats the last we will see of it.
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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Oy
Hey bro, relax and have a beer. Let’s just watch our Bad News Bears play dead. Last time they got railed this hard it started a fire under ‘em. Maybe the embarassment shown on Sportscenter alternating with Favre coverage will wake ‘em up.
by rroan28 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:55 AM EDT
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third out
How did Bloomquist make the third out at home on a single when he started at first base?
by Hoya on
Aug 5, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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and here comes the Twins offense rolling over
b/c they don’t want to play anymore
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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1-2-3 inning
the Twins may not even take the field and just go back their hotel and regroup
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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They got distracted by the 17 Starbucks in the park.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
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wow
when did we all of a sudden turn into White Sox fans? bitter at our team because of one bad inning, or one bad loss
if we lose, we’ll win tommorrow.
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on
Aug 5, 2008 12:54 AM EDT
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True
But what’s really the most upsetting is the pattern of Gardenhire using Bass in tight games. Though after watching Guerrier tonight, I’m not too sure what was the right move.
by Hoya on
Aug 5, 2008 12:56 AM EDT
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Beat the Neshek dead horse some more
WE HAVE NO DOMINANT RELIEVER IN OUR PEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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Anything is better than Bass. Why would he come in before Crain?
by Twins Territory on
Aug 5, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
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Because if we’re in Seattle…we might as well try some dead raw fish.
by rroan28 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
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Because Crain Pitched Yesterday
And According to the Book of Ron Gardenhire, Cant Pitch Crain 2 days Straight
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
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+1
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 12:59 AM EDT
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that's horseshit
I mean it’s true but still horseshit, his shoulder is either better or its not
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 1:00 AM EDT
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I may be beating a dead horse....
But it’s the “Brian Bass should only pitch in blowouts, if he’s even on the team” dead horse, not the Pat Neshek dead horse.
by Hoya on
Aug 5, 2008 1:00 AM EDT
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Can we...
Can we skip the foreplay and just beat Bass? Seems like it would do a lot more than beating on a dead horse. It’s not like he’d be able to fight back. He’d throw a weak punch that’s easy to block and leave himself wide open to get drilled.
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Aug 5, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
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And
Yes Lets Make the Playoffs With Wet Paper Sacks like Adam Fucking Everett and Mike Lamb, Lets Not Give up Perkins to Get Adrian Beltre. Lets Stand Pat and Do Crap and hopefully this crop of Talent is Good Enough to get us the AL Central Title, Even God Himself Francisco Liriano cant save us.
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:56 AM EDT
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You Know
I Dont think we would all be this pissed if it was against a team like the Yankees, Angels, Rays Red Sox etc, But its Against the Damn Seattle Mariners
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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Great
Throw Kerosene on the Fire, Trot Boof out their
by Tony_O on
Aug 5, 2008 12:59 AM EDT
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Is it too late?
Is it too late for us to get Rincon back? We might as well bring on the other horsemen of the Crapocalypse.
by rroan28 on
Aug 5, 2008 1:00 AM EDT
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Lets Trot out Old Ass Eddie Guardado while we are at it.
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Aug 5, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
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Everyday Eddie and Hawk
oh wait we could’ve had Hawkins… oh well
Anyone got Radke’s #, he always had problems with the first inning so he’d be great out of the pen
kidding
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Aug 5, 2008 1:05 AM EDT
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bad teams
bad teams still win some games. bad teams sometimes put up monster innings. thats just baseball
The Royals destroyed the White Sox over the weekend. Who would of predicted that?
Im just saying lets all take a deep breath. The Sox are not playing tonight, so thats good and we’ll get em tommorrow
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on
Aug 5, 2008 1:00 AM EDT
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Boof!!!!!
Seriously though, 96 mph fastball with that hook. Too bad he can’t figure it out.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 1:01 AM EDT
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if he could he'd be our big arm in the pen
but he hasn’t been able to so most of us think of him as trade bait
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
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mix in that slider he used to have
and he’d be whipping the floor with these guys right now
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Aug 5, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
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Too bad
he can’t throw this hard consistently as a starter
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Boof
I wanted Boof to be good so bad. Just because of having such an awesome nickname. It’s so much fun yelling “BOOOF!” in the Dome.
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Aug 5, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
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yeah
it’s that 3rd pitch. when he did well late in 2006 he had a slider too. Guys had a harder time telling the difference between the fast and the curve.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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right now even out of the pen
fastball is too straight and major leaguers wont swing at a curve unless you make them. so unless he gets a change or a slider back, he’ll never amount to anything
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on
Aug 5, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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10 Runs!
I mean really 10 runs! we couldn’t get 3 outs before they scored 10 runs??!
I’ve coached little league teams that could do that!
Man tomorrow can’t come soon enough
by caluofmn on
Aug 5, 2008 1:03 AM EDT
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Well Fellas im off to bed
Tomorrows another day, Good Night All.
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Aug 5, 2008 1:05 AM EDT
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I left for one episode of Entourage
They were winning by 5.
How the F#$@ did they give up 10 runs in one inning?
Jesus. Now I’m going to sleep like crap.
by Neil on
Aug 5, 2008 1:07 AM EDT
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It's a shame
Our Twinkies are really playing like creampuffs tonight. Or the bullpen at least.
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Ack!
Even my rally cap is failing. Abandon ship!
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another ground ball to 2nd base
that’s original Delmon, good job
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Lots of grounders, but...
what surprised me when I looked it up was that Delmon actually has hit more grounders to the left side so far this year. According to firstinning.com 31 % of his balls in play have been ground balls to the left side while only 26 % were grounders to the right. Lots of ground balls, but more have actually been pulled, which I was surprised to see.
by Hoya on
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Apparently Not.
Bizzaro Twins Fan loves Brian Bass! Bullpen best in majors! Delmon Young best fielder in AL! Gold Glove for Delmon!
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Aug 5, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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they should give back their days pay for this effort
the Seahawks win it w/ a touchdown and field goal to come back.
You just knew the 2 fieldgoals the Twins kicked wouldn’t be enough
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Bad night for playoff hopefulls
cubbies lose, yanks lose, red sox lose, tampa lose, angels trying to lose
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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brew crew lose
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Scratch that
The real champion among them finds the way to win. Chone Figgins walks in the winning run. Everybody else sucks it up. Tomorrow’s headline: “Case of the Monday’s run rampant among playoff contenders”
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
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Awwwwright!!!!
Hey, Livan and Monroe might be gone, and Lamb is foiling the blame-gamers by playing well, but we still have Punto, a favorite whipping boy, and of course Boof. And thankfully we stil have Gardy. We can now turn our wrath on him. Someone is to blame, dammit. Someone is always to blame, and it can’t be the young turk pitching staff, of Morneau or Mauer.
Or can it.
Livan might have been a whippin’ boy here, and granted it was time for him to go, but big-league pitchers make everyone’s life easier if they can go 7. Getting through 6 doesn’t do it, and it’s hard to get through 7 because normally every batter is on their third shot or more at you. It’s a test, and what we saw tonight is what happens with a young staff.
I’ve followed this for well over a month now, and this is the problem with this staff. Going 7 isn’t a cool stat that anyone but me pays attention to, but it matters a lot. That seventh inning is a tough one, and if you get through it the bullpen is armed to the teeth for six outs. Here’s how this staff stacks up.
Livan did it 11 times.
Blackburn 10.
Baker 6.
Slowey’s done it 3 times.
Perkins 3.
Don’t want to hear about the bullpen. Don’t want to hear about Gardy. Before the game, I told someone I like Perkins the least on this staff, because he’s easy prey after 5. He lived up to the billing again. Players play the game. Players win the games. Players lose the games.
Perkins didn’t get it done. Period.
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Aug 5, 2008 1:50 AM EDT
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Its Not So Much Perkins
Perkins Pitched a hell of a game, just ran into trouble late, Its Gardy’s fault for Bringing in Brian Bass with the Tying run on 1st and 1 out.
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Perkins puked
87 pitches. In trouble 30 earlier. Helluva game? Gardy? Let’s pretend that was Hernandez. Would you be complaining that Gardy did this or that then? No, you would have just wanted him out of there. 12 hits. Gardy didn’t give up 12 hits. With a 6-0 lead. 5 earned runs. With a 6-0 lead? That’s just a bad case of the yips. That boy better toughen it up by the weekend and pitch a shutout vs. K.C. If Perkins does this again, count him out as help for the pennant chase.
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I agree
Perkins is the weak link in our rotation. He is still preferable to Livan Hernandez based on price and “upside”, but he is just hittable.
Still, I don’t blame the rotation. They are giving 6+ innings per night, which should be plenty from a rotation that costs about $2 million (total). You should be able to count on 3 innings out of your bullpen consistently. To do that, you basically need 6 dependable relievers. We have 2 (Nathan, half of Crain, half of Guerrier). This was our strength in past years, and is in trouble now. I have some hope that Crain will pitch well more frequently (I don’t like the word “consistency”, because people really just mean “better”), and that Humber/Gomez/Korecky could help, but we need to seriously consider how to shore this up for next year. We have a lot of fine minor league relievers, but none have the stuff to be lock down MLB relievers.
Also, how many of those times that Livan went 7 innings did he give up 5+ runs?
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Aug 5, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
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Also, how many of those times that Livan went 7 innings did he give up 5+ runs?
Baseball-Reference.com would be among the many ways for you to answer that.
by Johnny Safron on
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The anser would be zero.
Twins Fix
http://www.twinsfix.com
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