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The French Have A Name For This

They call it:  "Les Suck".

Leading 6-1 with one out in the seventh, the Twins looked in pretty good shape.  It's amazing how quickly things can unravel, and how even one of baseball's worst teams can look like the better team on any given night.  One inning...actually, less than one inning, was all it took for the Seattle Mariners to destroy what Glen Perkins and his offense had built.

When the bases were loaded and Rick Anderson had just sat down after coming out to talk to Perkins, you hoped that (even though Raul Ibanez was at the plate and Adrian Beltre was on deck) Anderson knew what he was doing.  But really, after the grand slam by Ibanez the Twins were still leading 6-5, and if Brian Bass could collect a pair of outs before the Mariners scored again, everything would be okay.

It wasn't.  Oh...how it wasn't.

By the time Matt Guerrier recorded the final out of the seventh inning, the Mariners had put six more on the board, and the Twins had used four pitchers.  A double, a walk, a passed ball and an infield single, all of the bad karma that had been taking a nap woke up at once and slapped the Minnesota pitching staff and defense in the face.  The seventh was a 10-run inning for Seattle, and it had stunned the Twins into silence.

You know how the saying goes?  Sometimes you're the bat...and sometimes you're the ball.

It's easy to heap the scorn on the bullpen, but games like this happen.  That's not excusing the horrible pitches or the lack of concentration, but for one inning last night the Mariners got the better of the Twins, and it all went down at once.

Brian Bass:  9 pitches, 0 innings, 2 hits, 2 runs

Bass doesn't get used often enough to get into a groove.  Last night's appearance was only his sixth since July 13th, which was also the last time he gave up a run--a solo shot in Detroit.  The problem Brian has is that every time he gets into a game, he can't get through it without laboring.  In July he pitched 10.2 innings, but threw 197 pitches...which should be enough to get a starter through 14 innings, much less a relief pitcher.  You can't blame him for not being on top of his game when he doesn't get utilized very often, but on the other hand, when he does get used he's all over the place.  There are long counts and base runners when he is effective, and the opposition just manages to convert those base runners into runs when he isn't.  It's almost like he relies on the hitters to let him off the hook.

Craig Breslow:  10 pitches, 0.1 innings, 1 walk, 1 run

Last night's game was Breslow's seventh since June 30th.  Which is absolutely ridiculous.  These guys sit on a shelf not being used, and then we're supposed to be upset when they come in and can't find the strike zone?  Breslow managed three strikes in his ten pitches, meaning that between him and Bass they threw seven strikes in 19 pitches.  The only difference between Bass and Breslow is that Breslow has usually been effective.  My concern:  if two guys can't find ways to get into the game, why are we keeping that many pitchers?    Starters go five days before taking the hill again, but at least they get to be out there a while and find themselves.  When relief pitchers are four, five, eight days between appearances and are lucky to go a full inning, what kind of results are we expecting?  Personally, I'm giving Breslow a pass for last night, because he's usually done his job.

Matt Guerrier:  19 pitches, 0.1 innings, 3 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs

Guerrier, unlike the two guys above, sees plenty of time.  Maybe more than he needs.  Last night was his fifth appearance in a week and his 54th of the season.  There might be some sign of fatigue showing, as in his last four appearances (Thursday, Friday, Sunday, Monday) he's pitched 3.1 innings, allowing seven hits including a pair of jacks, for a total of six runs.  I believe in Matt as a reliable and effective relief pitcher, but some of his innings might need to be levied onto Craig Breslow.

Boof Bonser:  19 pitches, 1.0 innings, 1 hit, 1 strikeout

Boof pitched a scoreless eighth.  There isn't much more to say about his appearance, other than it was an effective one, and that it was only his seventh appearance since June 28th.

Conclusions

While I can understand carrying seven relief pitchers if you use them all, the Twins aren't managing to do so.  Partially this could be due to over-use of Jesse Crain and the aforementioned Guerrier, but instead of keeping guys fresh it's just keeping them rusty.  The Twins have three relief pitchers currently doing the job of two.

I plan to do a little more research on this, to see exactly how efficient (or inefficient) the Twins have been in their use of bullpen arms, because my conclusions could very well just be conjecture.  Overall I believe Gardenhire's use of his 'pen, as far as when to rely on it, is very solid.  My concern is how it's used, and this goes beyond the tried-and-true use of his closer.

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When everything is as it should be, the Twins have an effective staff. But the group is fragile, very fragile, at this time. I really don’t trust Guerrier, Carin is in some respects still recovering from shoulder surgery, the lefthanders are situational, and Bass and Bonser haven’t handled many, if any, high pressure situations. Another arm is needed, but if the starters can hang in there most of the time, the team will be all right.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 5, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not Korecky?

Why, why, why, when Neshek went down for the year, did they not bring Korecky up to be the 8th inning guy? If he is supposed to be a closer of the future, why not give him some setup time to get prepped, or to show off for other teams looking for a young closer?

It’s clear that Breslow, Bass, Guerrier or Rincon weren’t the right fit, so why not Korecky?

by nathaneide on Aug 5, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Korecky

Nine blown saves. That’s why not. He’s a hit machine who is adept at getting out of jams. That’s about it.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 5, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than anything here

Still beats the shit we keep throwing out there. There are only two major league quality pitchers in the pen right now with Nathan and Crain, everyone else is a disaster waiting to happen.

by nathaneide on Aug 6, 2008 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Les Suck indeed

Who would have thought that the middle game in Seattle would be the most important game of the year for the Twins. I think we as a fan base will see how our young team responds after, shall we say “watching the game go down the crapper.”

I want to say they will bounce back, and be fine…but there is a part of me that remembers that smaller things have de-railed teams in the past.

by mbennett on Aug 5, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

about not using the pitchers. The fact is that there is no reason to have the pitchers if they won’t get used. Even worse, pitching Guerrier and Crain too frequently will reduce their effectiveness. The strategy needs to be to maximize total wins, not to get the best chance to win each and every game.

If he isn’t willing to put Bass, Breslow, Bonser in the game when it counts, then they should be released, and other people should get a shot.

by snolls on Aug 5, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still don’t know why the Twins didn’t unload Bonser when the Giants and Rangers apparently came asking. Addition by subtraction.

by thurm031 on Aug 5, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I can still blame them for not finding the strike zone

They get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do just that, nothing else. That’s all they have to do is pitch, if they can’t then why are they getting paid.

Ok now that, that is off my chest let me be more reasonable and say that yes it must be hard to come into a pressure situation when you don’t see alot of game time but they still need to be sharp. We expect that of our bench players. So far this season I haven’t read anywhere, well it’s ok that Blank struckout, he hasn’t had a at bat in a week. Nope, we expect the players to perform.

Last night none of those guys deserved to get paid. They were crap plain and simple. Le Crap Bruele was served for all of us to eat. Maybe more concentration and less time playing w/ the pink backpack is in order for the pen?

Still it was one game, one crappy game they get to put behind them tonight. If I was in that pen I’d be hoping to get a chance to prove that last night was just a fluke.

by caluofmn on Aug 5, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't

I don’t get why we brought Bass in after the Mariners had just pulled to 1 and not Crain or Guerrier right away…

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Aug 5, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

because

because Bass was the only one that was close enough to be ‘warm’ in the pen
Gardy wanted to bring him out before the Ibanez at bat, but he wasn’t ready yet
at least that was the speculation from the radio booth

Was brining in Bass even close to the right move? Well, Gardy said during the post game that other people in the bullpen need to step up. I took that to mean that Guerrier and Crain cant pitch everyday. So here Bass, Breslow, whathaveyou, here is an opportunity to step up

The results was a massive FAIL. But, that happens in baseball. We live on to win another game

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 5, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen useage

I would be interested in seeing the results of your ‘investigation’ into Gardy’s bullpen use. While I appreciate him going to his most reliable relievers a majority of the time, I worry it’s taking its toll on those same relievers’ arms (Pat Neshek, for example).

I would definitely be in favor of having Korecky replacing Bass. I’ve seen Korecky in a few games in Rochester recently and it seems he’s pitching well.

3.38 ERA but a 1.26 WHIP and about a 1K/IP

by Kanonen80 on Aug 5, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ricky Barett

Ricky Barett is also pitching well:

3.12 ERA 1.21 WHIP 69K 57.2 IP

by Kanonen80 on Aug 5, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take a chance on Humber

He’s had three good starts in a row. He’s got big league caliber stuff, plus, some experience.

We know that Bass is out of gas, and Breslow, Bonser, et al, will never shut down the Yanks, Sox or Angels. Likely, even Crain and Guerrier will also cough up leads against good teams. So, why not roll the dice on Humber?

The worst that could happen is that he gets some experience and we re-group for ‘09.

by Old Twins Cap on Aug 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Barrett, Korecky, Humber

My first choice is Ricky Barrett. I see no reason to let Brian Bass pitch in a Twins uniform again. Korecky’d be an improvement. I would let Humber get at least 3 more starts at Rochester. If he’s really turned a corner, Perkins is in my bullpen and Humber’s starting. Frankly Perkins’ traditional numbers this year are deceptively good. His K% is only 11.6 and that does not even begin to cut it for a guy who tilts flyball as sharply as he does. The only reason I was against trading him in a LaRoche or Bay deal was that it would’ve meant Livan still had a job. If only Humber’d showed signs of life earlier…

Jesse’s point re: lack of use goes huge for Craig Breslow. Why he hasn’t been used more I do not understand. If he fails to perform, fine, but he’s pitched fine in his limited use and I can’t for the life of me figure out why he’s not trotted out as much as Guerrier.

by tobynotjason on Aug 5, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like

I like all 3 of those potential options. Likely, we’ll see one in September with the chance for one to pitch their way onto the (hypothetical) postseason roster over Boof.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Aug 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Use

Are Bass and Breslow struggling because they aren’t used; or not used because they can’t get people out?

by wcooley on Aug 5, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Both?

I’m not sure. But Breslow does get guys out, whereas Bass has a tough time doing just that.

Besides, if they’re both having trouble getting people out, then the Twins need to try bringing up someone else to see if they can do a better job, instead of wasting a pair of roster spots.

by Jesse on Aug 5, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote for Humber

He seems to have turned a corner. Let’s see what he can do. It has to be better than Bass. Since July 12, his ERA is around 1.0.

In any event, why is Bass not the long man, meaning you only bring him in in blowouts? A 6-5 lead is not a blowout. And I can count eight games since Rincon was let go when Bass came in with a two run cushoin or less either way. That’s not how you use a rookie who is not a power pitcher. Gardy has just given him Rincon’s role without much improvement over Rincon. It’s time to cut bait on him. At this point, he would probably pass through waivers anyway.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 5, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Worried teams will notice his tools?

Honestly, to be fair both Bonser and Bass have some better than average pitches and I have to wonder at this point if they are worried about losing any potential there.

With Bonser, I still can see him developing into a dominant set up man. His fastball has been logging in the 94-96 mph range lately and the curve is still a plus pitch. The thing I continue to see holding him back is that he needs that 3rd pitch still, even out of the bullpen. Gosh, I’d like to see that slider again. It wasn’t a plus pitch or anything it just made his curve that much better.

With Bass he does have four pitches. You might consider his 92-95mph sinker a plus pitch. He’s got the slider and he’s flashed a change and even a curve at times. The thing I don’t understand is that when Rochester had him relieving last year he struggled. When they threw him back into the starting role everything started to click and he put together a good stretch and became the pitcher the Royals were always hoping for. Now in 2008 he’s been thrown back in to a bullpen and we’re expecting him to have the same results that he had last year as a starter? I don’t get it… He’s a possible commodity, but he should be starting and obviously that needs to be in Rochester right now. At this point we have to risk trying to send him down.

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 5, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming you're right...

...it seems like the only thing to do is take a chance he’d clear waivers and get him down to Rochester to start instead of Shearn or whoever while bringing up Barrett to take his place. If his stuff is better suited to starting, let him get back to that. If it works out at the AAA level, at least he’d be tradeable for SOMETHING. As it is, he’s useless.

Certainly Bonser has potential—I don’t think anyone disputes that. Attitude, though?

by tobynotjason on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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