Game 113: Twins @ Mariners
by Jesse on Aug 5, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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PrintMinnesota Twins at Seattle Mariners, Aug 5, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
Pregame
With Livan Hernandez on the verge of heading to Colorado, it will be interesting to see what the Twins get back in return. I'm not expecting much, but it will be something. Maybe a pizza. Godspeed, Rockies fans. Turn up that humidor. Or down. Whatever. For Seattle, their news today included Jose Vidro getting his papers stamped DFA.
Onto tonight's action...this is from the Mariners' Series Preview:
R.A. Dickey: I have a friend, we'll call him "bobomojo", who's a big fan of Dickey, and would have liked for the Twins to have kept their paws on him. He throws a knuckleball about 70% of the time, which is neat, but apart from that he isn't very effective. Because in spite of the knuckler, he doesn't get a lot of ground balls, and traditionally he's been prone to streaks of missing his spots. I know, that's normal for a knuckle-ball pitcher, but the problem with Dickey is that he doesn't have anything else to offer. Still, over his last seven starts five of them have been "quality", so he is riding some success. Hopefully he won't buck his long-term trends on Tuesday, and he'll walk four if he goes six, and he'll probably allow 8-10 hits and a homer as well. Patience, as always, is the key!
For the AL Central-leading Twins it's right-hander Scott Baker. In spite of striking out eight in his last start, it wasn't his finest appearance. Still, he allowed four runs through six innings for a no-decision, and it was just the third time all year that he'd been charged with more than three runs. Baker's success this season is due to his control, the highest strikeout rate of his career, and his ability to mix speed and location. He's become incredibly reliable this season, and has established himself as the guy we all hoped he could be. Hopefully after the Seattle run-purge last night they're completely out of offense for the series, meaning Baker can re-establish his groove.
Over at Lookout Landing (also, check out their comparison of each team's starters, as well as the picture of Perkinsville from their game recap of last night...good stuff), here's what Matthew had to say about Scotty B.:
Scott Baker is in his third year in the Twins rotation and has seen some improvement and regression from 2007. He has been steadily missing more bats each year and his strikeout rate reflects that, now up to a very healthy 21.4% and he continues to pound the zone, offering up strikes on nearly 70% of his pitches and keeping his walk rate around 5%. His problem has been with the long ball. Never one to keep the ball on hte ground, Baker has been bit this year with more of those many fly balls landing over the fence. Nevertheless, his tRA is settling in the 4.4 range.
It's hard to say what Seattle's lineup will look like tonight sans Vidro, but I'm going with: Ichiro (RF), Reed (CF), Ibanez (LF), Beltre (3B), Lopez (2B), Cairo (1B), LaHair (DH), Johjima (C), Betancourt (SS)
For the Twins I'll wager the new standard: Span (RF), Punto (2B), Mauer (C), Morneau (1B), Kubel (DH), Young (LF), Buscher (3B), Harris (SS), Gomez (CF)
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Saves/Closer article
Since the loss of Neshek we’ve all been talking a lot about the under use or misuse of our remaining most effective reliever: Joe Nathan. Anyways it’s nice to see somebody on the national stage right about the current overrated state of closers and the hallowed “Save” stat.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080805
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
White Sox
They don’t play nice so they give other division opponents reason to hate and work harder to beat them (not sure if you caught any of the White Sox vs Kansas City games this weekend…). As much as I wish our guys played with a little more fire you have to admit the way we play with such class bodes well for us in the long run.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Word is...
...that the Cardinals, Rockies and Mets all put in claims, but the Rockies get to make the deal since they have the worst record.
The Rockies have reportedly offered to pay $1.5 million, but word is that the Twins want a player…
by Twins Territory on Aug 5, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
Diamond in the rough?
Perhaps a reliever Colorado doesn’t know they could be relying on right now?
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 5, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Was thinking of minor leaguers
no chance they give us anything in the majors
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 5, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This team
doesn’t need the money. Hence the willingness to be have already dumped 3 salaries (Livo, Craigers, Juan B12 Rincon)
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 5, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Would've been interesting
Might have been better than Livo over the course of the entire season
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 5, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 5, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody better steal tonight
Knuckler on the mound for pete sake
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Harris Conversation
Overall this season he’s been pretty streaky with the bat. Not as much pop as we might have been hoping although he’s been real clutch as of late. Defensively he wasn’t too bad at 2nd although Gardy didn’t like him turning the double play there. Third he’s been pretty good but obviously is offensive numbers become a liability there. At shortstop he makes most of the routine plays but has pretty much no range.
Anyways I thought I’d ask you guys whether he should come back next year. Personally I think we’ll have enough options for utility infielders. I also think though that the organization is too nice to just ditch the guy after one average season. It’s not like he’s severely underperformed or anything.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
I'd like to see him back next season
He has been servicable in the field and at the plate.
I like that he plays 3B, SS, 2B and if Punto isn’t back next season he can just fall into that roll assuming 2B next season is Casilla and SS is ???
My view is that they STILL have to solve 3B and SS
and I don’t think Harris is the answer full time at either spot. He’s a useful utility guy who I wouldn’t mind having around. Punto’s contract is up, and I really would rather they didn’t resign him.
Presuming that Casilla has earned the second base job, they still have to go out and find some players.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 5, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I Think Come September
Luke Hughes Better Be a call up, Give the Kid a Shot to see if hes our Everyday Third Baseman Next year.
now a hit
any you guys see the Replacements?
the scene where Reeves is talking about quicksand, the harder you try to play well the quicker things got out of hand…
Looks like
Seattle got sick of sucking
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Learning to outscore your oponents
Can’t always play Twins baseball, sometimes you just have to go in and be prepared to out mash your opponent. Yet another trait that separates our Twins from real champions.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
5th
But I agree, come on Punto. It’s crazy how up and down that guy has been the last 3 years. Let’s hope he can keep this up and maybe next year we’ll actually be excited if the Twins keep him.
Damnit, never mind
.
Let’s go Joe!!!
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
September 27, 1984
This series so far is looking a lot like that series. I wonder if Jamie Quirk is scoreboard watching – and thinking back to his one at-bat as a Cleveland Indian?
Ruiz
Give him an at bat with that big swing of his vs Dickey.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
I do tonight
Last night I think they didn’t have 1st place in mind but tonight, yeah b/c they know if they lose they can lose 1st place
Oh my...
Who’s coming in out of the pen?
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
bases loaded and here comes the pen
if they are going to put last night behind them it has to happen right now.
Gritty performance by Baker
Just not happening…
passed ball on the strikeout
bad play by left-side of the infield
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
yup the last guy I want to see up there
but if they get him out! that would be huge for the pen and maybe we can see the team get some confidence
I'm going to bed
Twins offense likely to shut down again. This team as serious moment swings. Like living with a freakin pregnant wife.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
*momemtum
see so pissed off i can’t even spell
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
that was funny for all of us have lived w/ a pregnant wife
I need to see how the offense response, but if it’s a 1-2-3 then they are done.
Geez to the freakin’ Mariners
maybe the Twins should have traded for Fuentes
Could have given them Boof, Bass, and Everett or something like that
since he didn't get traded
I’m assuming they wanted too much for him. With as many teams that were supposed to have interest in him I would think if he could be had for Boof, Bass, and Everett someone would’ve got him. I think we would have had to give up at least one solid prospect + maybe one of Livan or Boof since they need a starter. Depending on who the prospect was it would’ve maybe been a smart move. We just need someone to put out fires for us. I can’t even say Breslow or Crain have been that bad they just don’t seem to have the ability to come out and consistently strand runners.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
One good thing about this evening
The Tigers and White Sox are wearing each others bullpens out. Hopefully they have a marathon game and both teams come out of the series exhausted.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Time to show your colors boys
Gotta learn how to outscore your opponents, some nights that’s the only way to win
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Me thinks
we’ll be calling Ruiz’s number sometime tonight
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
a manager
a manager who goes for the 4 out save
I hope the theory backfires
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions
That's why this is probably one of my favorite Twins teams of the last decade
I miss some of our guys like Hunter, Santana, and Radke but it’s been a long time since we’ve had a team where you felt like we have a decent chance to come back most games.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Gardy
Pulling out all the stops, everyones getting in on this one.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Amazing
I’m glad we didn’t cut that guy :) . . . yet.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
I feel
i feel sorry for all those who gave up on this game
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions
I almost did
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Tigers
Tigers just got a 2 run homer in the top of the 14th.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
35%?
you must have sad a lot of bad things
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 6, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
'Tis true.
That “waste of oxygen” comment was probably over the top, for example. :-)
by Jon Marthaler on Aug 6, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He's
been a lot better this past week. I’ll give him that…
by Twins Territory on Aug 6, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
who
who comes out for the 8th?
We need outs
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 12:50 AM EDT reply actions
wow
Guerrier has pitched a lot lately
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Lambchop BABY!
What a Comeback, I fell asleep at around 11:10 cst, woke up just to see lambs at bat.
Robert Delaney
Yes I’m crazy, but we need somebody who can at least pretend to dominate
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Nathan
first baserunner and he should get up, no joking tonight
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
You called it
Here comes Nathan, with one out in the 8th.
by Jon Marthaler on Aug 6, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
OMG
Gardy don’t do this man, Guerrier is not a set-up man
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Gardy c'mon
not tonight dude
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
I wrote a post earlier on our minor league options
we’re going to need someone for tomorrow at this rate, bullpen’s gotta be exhausted
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Okay Nathan
Twitch them to death and get us outta this
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
this
this is getting rediculous
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
Remind me again why Guerrier started the inning?
Somebody aught to take a shotgun to Gardy’s head tonight
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Reyes
Reyes is out with some sort of food poisoning. Bass and Guerrier were left in the pen
I dont know
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Crain was already used
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 6, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hate to be a downer
but even if we get the lead what do you think the chances of Bass actually saving it for us is?
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
C'mon guys
Give Kubel another shot
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
we
we need to get a runner on so Kubel gets and at bat
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
Dudes juiced up after 2 k's
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
KUUUUUUBBBBEESSS
Let’s make it a hat trick
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Man
I’m going to pass out soon, can’t handle this
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
OOOOH
YES
DOUBLE!
come on Delmon
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:20 AM EDT reply actions
Oh God
Delmon…..................................................
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Even Worse
Everett
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
well
now Delmon getting walked to get to Adam Everett
pinch hitter time?
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 AM EDT reply actions
Become a Twin tonight buddy
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Can anyone say
player of the game. Win or Lose man he smoked the hell out of the ball tonight
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Oh no man
lol
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Hmmm?
What are they gonna do for defense next inning? This should be interesting
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
lets
lets get to the next inning first
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Red dog at 3rd i think
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
dang
game ovah
that sucked worse that last night
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 AM EDT reply actions
That's depressing
This team has always been a tease
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
Who would have thought it would be the bullpen letting us down though?
Of all the things we’ve done so well over the years. The offense is finally where it should be and it’s the freaking bullpen.
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 6, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Blackburn
He’s going to have to throw complete game tomorrow cause there aint nothing left
Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?
by caseintheface on Aug 6, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
its
Who would have thought it would be the bullpen letting us down though? Of all the things we’ve done so well over the years. The offense is finally where it should be and it’s the freaking bullpen.
its bizzaro world
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Neshek
Man, when he first went down, nobody thought it would have playoff implications this year, but Pat Neshek’s absence is starting to hurt this team badly.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
Yeah it is.
We don’t have that one guy other than Nathan who can come in and consistently get the team outs. I bet we’re wishing we would have taken a chance on LaTroy for a single-A guy that won’t make the majors.
by Twins Territory on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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