Twins Rumors....ugh, More Pitchers

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 5, 2009 6:38 PM EST Comment 12 comments

(i Know its just MLB trade Rumors...but) but its also from LenIII

While I'm not to particulary thrilled about any of the Japaneese Arms or Brandon Lyon.... I will say that one's addition would help the team more than hurt it....

The threesome of kawakami, Uehara and Lyon are all experienced and Right Handed- something I think we need.

- I'm not so sure about Takashi Saito anymore -but I used to Really LIKE HIM!!!

If the Bidding gets to high on Kawakama at all I think we're out of it rather quick.

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Lyon

If I were a betting man, I’d say they sign Lyon to be the eighth-inning guy. It won’t be cheap, but it might be the only hole they’re able to fill this offseason.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

I’d like this addition. Better than doing nothing and it is somewhat of a low-risk, high-reward type thing.

by Twins Territory on Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

but it depends on the cost. He’s a sub-4.00 FIP guy (around a 3.85), which makes him valuable but not lights out. I’d prefer not to do two years, may likely demand two years and $12M+. With the arms we have waiting in the minors, I don’t want to see $6M+ tied up in Lyon for 2010. That’s the primary downside for me.

If we sign Lyon, what does our bullpen look like? Nathan, Lyon, Crain, Guerrier, Breslow, Mijares, Bonser, Humber, Jones. Bonser and Humber are out of options. I’d like to see what Boof can do starting the season in the pen, and Humber can have value in long relief / 6th starter role. Perhaps signing Lyon gives us the flexibility to trade a Perkins / Blackburn (potentially both if we get Kawakami, although I don’t think we have a chance there) to address other needs.

by Adam Peterson on Jan 6, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

try 2 year

2.5-3 million per year. The Twins won’t pay 6 million for a non closing reliever.

by doofus on Jan 6, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Then they won't get him

The market is around $4-5 million for an eighth-inning guy (Jeremy Affeldt). If they want to play with the big boys, they better pay market rates.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 6, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

we need another 8th inning guy like lyon

sign him please

MLB-Rays,Marlins,Twins, and Reds
NFL-Vikings,Lions(i know Shut up),texans, and Bills
NBA-Timberwolves(also shut up),Cavilers(bye bye LeBron in '10)
NHL- Wild and Penguins
College-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns and Irish.
all of the above mentioned teams are in order by my favorites

by RaysOfHope on Jan 5, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Well, Lyon had a Matt Guerrier like 2008

so I think Doofus’ offer isn’t all that far off maybe 3.5-4 Million per year over 2-3 years would be decent….

Sure, Lyon was great up to and through the 2007 season but last year he regressed.
So I’m not all that sure signing him in particular is a good move for our club.

His ERA last season was 4.70 with his all -important WHIP at 1.48
both career lows (except for while in Boston in ’03 WHIP 1.56)

while his K:9 was rather outstanding at 6.7 and Walks per 9 good at 2.0
he gave up 11.5 hits per 9 innings pitched which is a sharp increase over the last 2-3 seasons….. for me, thats a bit of a red flag. Per Baseball Cube

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 7, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

2 years / $7M

seems about right. Lyon’s FIP jumped a bit last year, to 3.84 (from 3.44) primarily because he gave up more HR (7 in 59.1 IP, compared to 2 in 74 IP in 2007). His SO/BB rate improved (44/13 versus 40/22) a bit, which was very good.

Lyon’s high hit rate against doesn’t scare me that much. His BABIP was .355 last year compared to .287 and .290 the previous two years. Some of that jump was due to an increase in LD% (19.2% to 22.3%), but most was probably due to luck and/or worse defense. Remember, Hudson was out most of the year, and Reynolds wasn’t very good at 3B.

by Adam Peterson on Jan 7, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good Point Adam

Yeah, I’d guess i would love to have him for 2 years at 7 Million total.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 7, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Well the Red Sox have added...

Takaishi Saito per Ken Roshenthal

that stinks!

they’ve already added: John Smoltz, Brad Penny, Jenichi Tazawa, Ramon Ramirez for Coco Crisp. WOW
Re-signed – Tim Wakefield (there is no room for Masterson or Bucholz really IMO)

I think Epstein must have had quite a bit of concern for his bullpen going into ’09.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Those are a lot of low (contract) risk, high reward options

Allowing Masterson to stay in the bullpen and Buchholz to learn how to throw a fastball again in the minors. Beyond Beckett-Matsuzaka-Lester-Wakefield, Boston is hoping for one of Penny-Smoltz-etc to work out. If they both work out, perhaps one moves to the pen. Nice position to be in…

by Adam Peterson on Jan 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs