The Twins will have an $80 million payroll by 2010
I think the primary reason no trade or signing "fits" or "matches" up for the Twins is in large part due to how the payroll will look in 2010. Bill Smith has to consider how any free agent signing of more than one year will fit into the budget in 2010 and beyond..with salaries in 2010 that will be as follows:
Mauer (without signing an extension) $12.5 million,
Morneau $14 million,
Nathan $11.25 million,
Cuddyer $8.5 million,
Punto $4 million.
That is $50 million plus for the highest paid guys under contract.
Liriano and Baker will each be arbitration eligible...using Wang's arbitration decision from 2008 as a benchmark for a 1st year eligible pitcher of their calibre...they will each likely get at least $4 million....if they perform as we hope this year, that could be on the low side..so let's assume $5 million apiece, just for the sake of argument. Kubel will likely get a significant raise if he performs well...so let's bump him to $5 million too. That adds $15 million to the $50 million for the above players...now we are at $65 million for 8 players.
Also..several other players will become arbitration eligible in 2010 (assuming they perform the way we hope and we choose to keep them)...guys like Harris, Delmon Young, Carlos Gomez (if he is Super 2), Breslow, Bonser, Guerrier (can't see the Twins keeping both Bonser and Guerrier)....Neshek, Perkins (I think). So that will mean several raises ...probably $1.5 million average salary for 7 guys (as I say, they won't keep all these relievers)...so that adds $10 million to the numbers above...and puts us at $75 million for 15 players
Then, we have 10 more spots at or around league minimum...say $420,000 average salaries...adding another $4.2 million and we are at $79.2 million (approximately)...could be higher or slightly lower depending on arbitration results.
But it will be right around the $80 million mark WITHOUT a major signing or trade...so unless we can unload a contract in any trade...it is difficult to see how the Twins can upgrade without a willingness to be over $85 million in 2010. If the Twins had signed Blake, maybe they would have NOT signed Punto...hard to say,but as it is, adding Blake to what we have with Punto, would have almost ensured we would have been over $85 million next season.
If we sign Wigginton, for example, for two years or more, we will be over $85 million next year. So that is why he is probably not on the radar, as much as any defensive issues he may have. This is why I keep thinking that a Beltre trade is about the only trade of significance that Smith MIGHT be willing to make..because while it adds dollars this year, it does not inflate the payroll in 2010 and beyond.
The only other trades that will work for the Twins will have to involve getting rid of a high cost contract...so unless they would be willing to trade Nathan (which I doubt, and would not recommend) then Cuddyer is the only big contract they would be willing to trade...and he has little value (other than maybe a salary dump in order to upgrade another area)...short of a trade involving Cuddyer, the Twins will need to look for a trade for a one year rental...like Adrian Beltre or Brian Roberts, with Beltre being a much better fit, at least for 2009.
We can wish for a trade for Hardy...(someone on a different blog argued we should involve Ben Revere in such a trade) but, even if we could find a match that trade likely would increase the team salary to over $85 million for 2010 (unless we were willing to trade Baker or Liriano, which of course we would not).....it seems very doubtful the Twins will want to go over $80 million in 2010...but who knows....
Yunel Escobar could fit (financially) in a trade scenario....or maybe Kouzmanoff...but that's about it....at least with respect to the names we have been hearing about all Winter. A trade for Escobar or Kouzmanoff would likely keep the team salary at about $80 million.
So...it's either a one year rental type trade involving Beltre....or a salary dump of Cuddyer, followed by a trade to upgrade...or a trade for Escobar or Kouzmanoff (where we trade guys who are also becoming arb. eligible..like Delmon Young)
Trades for Michael Young or other similar players will likely never work financially, even with a Cuddyer salary dump, unless the Twins are willing to exceed $85 million next year, which I highly doubt....So, I think it may be best to make a strong run at Beltre...and if that does not work, then it may be best to simply go with what we have.
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the average ticket price for all fans — not counting super-high-priced club and suite tickets — will rise 60 percent, from $21 to $33.
Super rough math…
Using last years attendance numbers (roughly 2.3 million) times the increase of $12, that’s an extra 28 or so million dollars. According to how the Twins (say they) spend (50-52 percent of revenue), theoretically they have an extra 14 million bones to throw around.
My guess is that this is on top of 70-72 million from 2 years ago, not the 56+ million they spent last year. This doesn’t take into account the additional revenue from box seats (of which the Twins have control now) or any attendance/merchandising increase generated from a new ballpark.
So I’m not 100% they wouldn’t be willing to bump payroll higher than 80 MM. Obviously it isn’t my money, so who knows what actually happens. If they get the dollars out of the park they are expecting, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they bumped it past 90MM.
We are talking about a frugal organization so I also wouldn’t be surprised if they leveled salary either. I just think they’ll have the bucks to sustain a healthy increase.
by GACTwinFan on Jan 6, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
St. Peter's estimates...
…have been a 20% revenue increase. Whether that translates into a 20% budget increase for the Baseball department is yet to be seen. But it ought to be proportional. If so, $80 million is low.
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by cmathewson on Jan 6, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
50-52%
I’m always troubled by that remark.
Did the Twins save money last year and this year?
Does it cost 48% of, say, $100 million to run the team? If you ahd a budget of $150 million, would you now spend $72 million instead of $48 million on team operations. Not!
You have team operations.
You have stadium operations.
You have scouting and minor leagues (+ draft bonus).
You have debt.
You have players.
If revenue goes up, say, 30, I doubt that any of the categories except player payroll would raise more than 5-7.
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by rosterman on Jan 6, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps debt would go up
depending on how the Twins are paying for their portion of the new ballpark.
Your point is valid though. I’d probably allocate a bit of extra cash to scouting/draft, be a bit more likely to pay above slot. Depending on how stadium operations are paid, the Twins could be on the hook for a larger portion without the Vikings and Gophers sharing.
by Adam Peterson on Jan 7, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The payroll should be $80 million
right freaking now. If that’s where they’re willing to go in the new stadium, it’s a joke.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 6, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis
This, in addition to a Mauer extension looming on the horizon, is likely a factor behind not wanting to go beyond a year for any FA (other than Punto). The question is, what is our budget this year and next? Does management believe we are saving money in 2009 that can push payroll above budget in 2010? While I’d like to think so, more likely the money goes to the bottom line. What is our budget in 2010? $80M or above? I’d love to be a fly on the wall for those discussions.
by Adam Peterson on Jan 7, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you run the numbers for 2011 and beyond
Blackburn and Slowey become arbitration eligible in 2011. Granted, in 2011, you can choose not to pick up the options on Cuddy and Punto..their buyouts only cost $1.5 million…but if we keep Perkins, Blackburn, Slowey, Baker and Liriano (even if one is converted to the pen) our pitching will cost over $40 million in 2011. Mauer and Morneau will cost around $30 million (assuming Mauer is extended)…Gomez, Young, Casilla, Span, Tolbert, Harris will all be arbitration eligible…Kubel will likely cost $8 million or more…
We project to be in excess of $85 million by 2011…..and that is without a trade for a higher cost player…or a free agent signing…….of course, we may trade Blackburn and use a lower cost starter like Mulvey or Manship….but I would assume if we do trade Blackburn it will be for someone useful…say as part of a package for Yunel Escobar or someone like that..and whomever we get in such a trade will cost a similar amount…so we will likely be in excess of $85 million by 2011…my guess is it will be closer to $90 million. If that is the case….I just don’t see a lot of help coming from outside this organization….which means…you could see the Twins trades going the opposite direction….meaning we trade for prospects in the next two to three years…..
If Valencia, Ramos, Delaney, Slama, Shooter Hunt, Mulvey, Manship and Tolleson develop…and Revere…and Hicks…we will probably be trading away, in the next few years, guys like Gomez…and Delmon…and Blackburn..etc…and either filling a hole at Shortstop…or stocking the minors with more prospects…quite frankly, the Twins are better at “stocking” trades then filling holes…so I would expect the Twins to stand pat over the next couple years..and our pitching will make or break us…and gradually look to make trades as younger (less expensive players) can adequately replace older players…that strategy may not yield immediate results..but if they do it right, it could keep the Twins very competitive for years…..I am not saying I would prefer things to play out this way..but when I look at the financials and the projections…and compare that to the wave of talent that may emerge soon…I see this as the pat the Twins will take….but…it’s just a thought.
by NorthDakotaTwinsFan on Jan 7, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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