Five Reasons the Twins Can Win This Series
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
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For over 24 hours now, we've heard all the reasons there's no chance the Twins can beat the mighty Yankees in the ALDS. Massive payroll, won 103 games, scored 915 runs, CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, etc. Yesterday's 7-2 loss only reinforces the lopsided matchup in the eyes of most media and fans. Since we're not going to hear much other than the Yankees inevitable march to the World Series on the ESPN and TBS coverage, here are five real reasons to be optimistic about the Twins' chances in the remaining four games:
- The great equalizer - a five game series. It's much easier for David to beat Goliath in a short series as opposed to a seven game series or a full season. It's not a coincidence that the Yankees' last three playoff runs have ended in ALDS losses to the Angels (2005, in 5 games), Tigers (2006, 4 games) and Indians (2007, 4 games). Also, New York won game one in both 2005 and 2006 before losing each series.
- Multiple Off Days - At this point of the season, it's pretty clear that Brian Duensing, however gritty on the mound, is the Twins' #4 starter behind Baker, Blackburn and Pavano. With off days on Thursday, Saturday and Tuesday, the Twins could go with Blackburn-Pavano-Baker and then bring Blackburn back in game 5 on normal rest. Seriously, the five game schedule looks like an NBA playoff series with the off days.
- New York Rotation - Beyond CC Sabathia, there is a lot more inconsistency and uncertainty than you might think. A.J. Burnett has been wild at times (97 walks in 207 innings) and was awful in August (0-4 with a 6.03 ERA), Andy Pettitte has allowed 17 runs over his last five starts (27.1 innings), showing signs of wearing down after 194.2 innings, and who knows who NY will throw in Game 4. Joba? Mitre? Bring it on. Of course, NY could bring out CC in Game 4 and AJ in Game 5 if needed, but frankly, I have more confidence in Blackburn in a Game 5 than in AJ.
- New York Pressure - The Twins are the underdog. No one expects them to beat the mighty Yankees, so they can play as loose as they want. On the other hand, the Yankees live in a fishbowl. All the Yankees fans I've talked to are expecting a sweep, and are already scouting the Angels and Red Sox for the ALCS. Once Minnesota forces game 4 and 5, there are going to be a lot of arms approaching pinstriped throats.
- The Metrodome - I'm not sure any team, including the Yankees, can beat the Twins in the Metrodome right now. There is some serious positive mojo going on, given the sweep of the Royals, Vikes-Packers, and one game playoff. If the Twins can win these two home games (like I think they will), all they need is a split in the remaining two games in NY. A difficult, but certainly a realistic task.
All said, the outcome of Game 1 hasn't changed my series prediction. Twins shock the world by taking Game 5 in NY, celebrating on the new Yankee Stadium field. Who's with me?
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Yankee fan agrees
I don’t know what Yankee fans you’ve been talking to, but the REAL Yankee fans (everyone likes wine, but only a few are conosseurs) remember the 2007 ALDS against Cleveland very clearly.
The Yanks went 6-0 against the Tribe that year during the regular season, and we all know what happened in October (re: “Bug Game”). No one that could sit down and join an intelligent baseball conversation in THIS town would dare count the Twins out; in fact, we are ever more cautious in our predictions given the fact that you guys are exactly the kind of team we’ve struggled to beat recently — tough outs, smart baserunners, clutch hitters, solid defense.
May the best men win.
by Solomon96 on Oct 8, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't talking to
reasonable Yankees fans, of course. Mostly the transplanted fans here in the Baltimore area, just as often ex Orioles fans who have given up on the local team and have become Yankees or Red Sox fans to feel good about themselves.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be kidding.
Ex-Orioles fans becoming Yankees fans? As someone else who grew up in the Baltimore area, I refuse to believe it. Boston fans, maybe, but only on the basis of the Red Sox being possibly the only team in baseball that hates the Yankees more than the O’s. Who are these spineless worms who are so willing to throw away the memory of Jeffrey Maier?
There are plenty of other ways for ex-Orioles fans (or, in my case, Oriole fan “on a break”) to feel good about themselves. Like heroin, a by far more honorable choice.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of other ways for ex-Orioles fans (or, in my case, Oriole fan "on a break") to feel good about themselves. Like heroin, a by far more honorable choice.
hahaha
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
the Yankees themselves are Baltimore transplants…
my floor is looking pretty dirty... BETTER GET OUT THE BROOM!!!
by natetheskate on Oct 8, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows
whether these guys were ever truly Orioles fans in the first place. More likely 20-somethings who chose NY over the O’s because of the perpetual suckitude, at least during their own early adult years.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So am I.
The last time the O’s won a World Series was the week before I was born, and am I a Yankees fan? No I am not. There’s no excuse for that sort of crap. Eugh.
Mind you, I’ve gotten to enjoy being a Twins fan, but I married into that, so it’s not exactly simple bandwagon hopping. If O’s fans want a secondary team, there’s lots of other options that are NOT division rivals.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're article
has good points, especially about Burnett’s wildness. Take a look at last night’s game. In the innings he’s in trouble it’s almost always because of wildness. You’re team is much better than many give it credit for. As a Yanks fan I hope we win the 3rd game in Minnesota so we can relax before the ALCS, but I would not be shocked at all if this series comes back to New York. The dome is a factor, but we not only did well there this year but did not lose a game in the 2003 or 2004 ALDS. So we know what it’s like when it’s loud there and we’ve succeded. Anything can happen. May the best team win (without any help from the Umps hopefully).
by chambliss76 on Oct 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the 87 Twins
I think they were 0-fer the season against the Tigers. Every national analyst said the Tigers would win in four. The Tigers won one game, but the series wasn’t even close.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not as confident as you.
However, I pretty much figured we’d lose last night. If you look at all the pitching match ups that one screamed lopsided and even before last night Duensing has shown his true colors in his last couple of starts. It’s just like you said before that now they are much more even and some could argue favorable when you take into account how the pitchers have done lately.
I like the Twins chances to pull the upset but I can’t say I’ll be overly upset if they don’t pull it off. The biggest thing that wen through my mind is thinking huh, what if we still had Justin and Joe Crede right now. Hell, what if Slowey was still healthy as well. With those guys we really could make the Yankees sweat.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Oct 8, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
If we had Slowey and Morneau healthy now, this would be a dog fight. But I’m going to have to agree with the national media (for once) that this is probably the end of the road for the Twins this year. It certainly isn’t anything to hang our head over, we played well down the stretch with a depleted starting lineup and pitching staff. But we cannot keep this up against playoff teams.
Next year in the new stadium looks bright if we make a few minor moves and Kubel and Cuddyer play as well as they did this year.
by rencito on Oct 8, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer
The key is Mauer. He made Cuddyer and Kubel hit better because he hit. 370 for most of the season. If they pitch around Mauer, then Kubel and Cuddyer get good pitches because Joe is on base. If they pitch to Mauer and he has a really decent at bat, then Kubel and Cuddyer get to hit with Mauer on base, thereby ensuring that they will get decent pitches.
Above all, the off-season priority has to be to sign Joe Mauer. He is critical. He’s sort of like a Tony Gwynn, but he is far more athletic, and as a catcher he is fabulous. I think we will win a championship with Joe Mauer.
by Teo12345 on Oct 8, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a healthy Crede
Though I’m not sure that exists anymore.
by DJL44 on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is this Crede that you speak of? Is it the new Twins mascot when they move to TF?
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Crede injured while firing T-shirt gun"
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to find where the t-shirt come out when trigger accidentally pulled.
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guns don't injure people
oh, forget it.
by uncle rico on Oct 8, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
losing Slowey and Morneau has really hurt. However, I’m fine with Blackburn-Pavano-Baker-Blackburn the next four games, takes the sting out of losing Slowey.
As for next year, I’m not sure if a few “minor moves” gets it done, considering the black holes at 3B, SS and 2B. Perhaps Valencia and Punto are the 2010 answers, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, I'm not really with you, no
Being a natural pessimist. Look, in a short series, anyone can win. But realistically, the Yankees are better in any measurable way, and with a 1-0 lead…
I dunno. It’s tough to see it happening for the Twins. I just don’t see them keeping the Yankees off the board enough to win 3 games.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 8, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"the Yankees are better in any measurable way"
that may be true, but anything can happen.
the best analogy that i heard was Keith Law of ESPN comparing it to a 2 vs. 15 in the NCAA Tournament. it’s not impossible but it can be done. maybe the Twins will be the new Richmond, Hampton, Coppin State, or Santa Clara (Punto as Steve Nash?)
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 8, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what if they're better in "every measurable way"?
This applied to the last three times the Yankees were in the playoffs, IMO. Anything can happen in a short series. The odds are stacked against us, but much less so than a week or two ago.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying a Tolbert/Cabrera/Punto infield is less than desirable?
that's just crazy talk
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the best we've got at this point
and I hope it keeps working for another 3+ weeks…
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant in the offseason
But, yeah, ride it out with this infield and hope for the best.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
As I said, anyone can win a short series. But when you are already down a game, therefore needing to win 3 of 4 to take the series, and the other team is better than you, probably you aren’t going to win. I’ll be watching and rooting, but I don’t feel obliged to express an optimism that I don’t feel and that doesn’t seem warranted. I was just responding to Adam’s post.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 8, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
you’re entitled to be pessimistic after game 1. I’m a bit more optimistic, that’s all.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should vs could
If everything happened like it should, I wouldn’t watch sports. This absolutly could happen. We should not even be playing ball right now.
by mmaland on Oct 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blackburn
We need Blackburn to bury the Yankees on Friday night. It can happen. These guys are beatable, but they are very tough to beat. We need a starter to go into the 8th to give our bullpen a break — and to give our guys a legitimate chance in a big ballgame in New York City. Blackburn has pitched well in big games in the past and I see this one as one more huge ballgame — another game 7.
If Blackburn pitches into the 8th, then we’re in good shape. We should be able to score runs off of Burnett, who I think is a good pitcher — but someone who is very beatable.
Then matchups improve. We get another off day and then we get to throw Pavano at home . . . .
by Teo12345 on Oct 8, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree we need Blacky to to through at least 72/3 with no more than 2 runs. If we can at least give them a run on Friday I think it will boost everyone’s confidence coming back to MN.
by X-MT Twins Fan on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather he throw 7 than 7 2/3
The “2/3” means he was pulled in the middle of an inning, which implies trouble. I’d just as soon they hand it to Guerrier/Mijares as matchups dictate for a whole inning before handing it off to Nathan.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Oct 8, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please God not Mijares.
I’d rather he sit the entire series.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
short memory?
A handful of bad innings and lets sit our best middle reliever for the series. Remember how bad we thought Jesse Crain was a few months ago? We need to quit this “hot hand” bull shit, especially with relief pitchers.
by lookatthosetwins on Oct 8, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best based on what
It is entirely possible that Mijares is a small sample size illusion or that the league is catching up to him now that the scouts are paying a LOT of attention. Personally I think he has been rattled by the whole HBP incident.
by DJL44 on Oct 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my take.
I understand that Mijares’ stats are great, but it’s not just that he’s had a few bad innings where he’s had some bad luck and/or been solved. The guy’s head isn’t screwed on straight right now — frankly, I don’t think that’s even up for debate. Gardy’s got him on a short leash (rightly or wrongly) and he’s got no confidence. He goes out, he doesn’t get the job done, he gets yanked, and then breaks down on the bench.
If it were the middle of the season, or even September, I’d say we’d just have to trust him to work through it; right now, though, we don’t have time for that. Since the HBP he’s been a wreck, and we can’t run the risk of putting him in with the game on the line.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But there's not much alternative
I agree that at this point, Mahay is a better LOOGy option. I guess after that, it’s a matter of whether the platoon split factor outweighs the head case factor. Liriano doesn’t pass that test for me (I see him as exclusively a mop-up man), and I guess I can understand if you feel the same way about Mijares.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Oct 8, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want Liriano either.
I’d say it’s Mahay, though we should only be pushing the lefty v. lefty thing when there is a HUGE average difference for the batter. Better to through a good righty at a lefty than a bad lefty at a lefty.
On the other hand, this is Gardy we’re talking about, so…
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
We need Big Game Blackie to show up
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 innings, 2 runs
I would be very happy with this from Blackburn, we’d probably be right in the ballgame, and it would allow us to play matchups in the 8th before (hopefully) going to Nathan.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pettite
Veteran + lefty + crafty = doom for Minnesota’s offense.
He may be old, but I think it would be foolish to count him out. And I would have a lot more faith in Pettitte vs. MN, than Pavano vs. the Yankee lineup.
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be really interested to see Pavano face the Yankees.
I’m wondering how many pitchers he’ll hit.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily going to be Pavano
Gardy says Pavano or Baker, whoever is feeling better
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is dumb
Baker gets one game no matter what, why pitch him on short rest? The Pavano on 7 days rest? I understand that if we’re down 2-0 we need to win game 3, but we should give ourselves the best shot of winning the series, not just winning game 3.
by lookatthosetwins on Oct 8, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm drinking the Kool-aid and make mine a double!
All your reasons on how the Twins could pull off an upset are valid and could happen.
I see no reason to count the Twins out of this series. The Twins can play loose and get after it. No one is going to give them a chance to win so might as well go out there and just have fun. I would have to imagine that they believe they can beat anyone after the season they just completed.
And I totally agree with, "Seriously, the five game schedule looks like an NBA playoff series with the off days. " Yet one more reason why I dislike TBS getting the MLB postseason.
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Starters need to pitch well
I am not confident because the starters aren’t pitching that well, except for Blackburn. It would be great if every starter was effective, but I just don’t expect it.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Oct 8, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And who would get two starts if this goes five?
Mr. Blackburn.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker and Pavano have been solid.
There is no reason to not have confidence in them.
by lookatthosetwins on Oct 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need to ban the drug that you people are doing!
Have fun getting swept!
P.S. Last 5 starts for A.J. 2-0 2.08 Era!
rip nicky a!
by Static Shock on Oct 8, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no one has banned you from here yet?
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason to ban.
I deleted the jerkface comment from earlier. Trash talk I can deal with.
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
Makes sense.
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you don't deal with it...
Game time comes and none of the mods show up. This board is no fun if its just going to be “Yankee Town”.
by DavidRF on Oct 8, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case I think you're taking things a little too seriously.
It’s a Twis board. It will always be a Twins board. No amount of one guy being a jerk is going to change that.
And just because we don’t comment, it doesn’t mean we’re not here. 90% of the games there’s a mod around. Don’t fret too much.
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better to undermod than overmod
At least, that’s my thought – I’d much rather you give us the freedom to occasionally squabble amongst ourselves (and the occasional troll) than leave us scared to say the wrong thing for fear of being banned. This community has done a pretty good job policing itself so far, and I’d rather we didn’t let a couple immature Yankee fans mess up a good thing.
Also, DavidRF, remember that most of the new folks are just here for the playoffs; this place will be pretty much back to normal (i.e. “a bunch of people bitching about Bill Smith”) in mid-November.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Oct 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, the guy's been warned at this point.
If he wants to push the line, he’ll be shown the door. That’s fine. Not all Yankee fans are like he is, which is just some kid with an inferiority complex over his mega-salaried ballclub. It literally is toddler behavior.
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Static Shock didn't bother me that much...
He’s a clown who doesn’t even stick around long enough to see if anyone actually does respond. His insults were always random and directed at whoever happened to have posted just above him.
I was more irked by a few other Yankee fans giving running commentary throughout the whole game like it was their talkback thread… Felt like I was watching the YES network.
But we all have the option of clicking the X on upper right corner of the window and listening to Ron Darling if that’s better. Just my two cents. “Yankee Town” is not as much fun as “Twinkie Town”.
by DavidRF on Oct 8, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last night was annoying,
but, most of the Yankee fans weren’t belligerent. Some were thoughtful and friendly. Some like battleship guy were annoying. Oh well.
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair enough.
I think we can probably be a little more discriminating about Yankee fans on the game threads, depending on their language. We’ll take care of it.
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
why anyone responds
by Eric in Madison on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blind rage, mostly
And yes, I realize it’s not productive to feed trolls.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly
As long as they can simultaneously invent one that makes you less of a douchebag.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Oct 8, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, that was probably uncalled for
But I’m finding it hard to care. Look, we all acknowledge the Yankees are the better team here, and the Twins have an uphill battle to beat them. So what? It’s not like the Yankees haven’t ever had an 87-win team that won the World Series before.
There’s a line between trash talk and being a dick, and life’s a lot nicer for all of us when we stay on the right side of it.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Oct 8, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
There’s a line between trash talk and being a dick, and life’s a lot nicer for all of us when we stay on the right side of it.
My thoughts exactly.
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great attitude Adam!
…after writing this team off twice in the last six weeks, it is time for me to get onboard with you. Wouldn’t it be special to see the Twins take game 5 in front of all the money? It starts with Nick out pitching Burnett tomorrow night.
by roger13 on Oct 8, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Great post. There’s no way I’m counting the Twins out. Go Twins!
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reason #6 the Twins can win
They are a much better team now that Morneau is injured.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist posting that).
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you know what?
I bet this team could win if we had Porcello as a pitcher. I hear he’s only 20 years old! What a phenom! :)
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
were you around when Darling brought Porcello up again yesterday?
“Brian Duensing is 26, only 6 years older than Rick Porcello.” Hilarious.
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard about that
had to ask someone for verification. Unreal! Ahhh, those announcers are terrible!
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Darling is one of the worst I’ve heard, just vapid bs coming out of his mouth. “Take the antlers and go.” ?!?!
Caray is as annoying as I remember him.
by DJL44 on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst, by far, from Tuesday
aside from the Porcello love, of course, was “And that’s a base hit—-caught!” when Punto was up. Good. Lord. How do you even mess up that badly?!
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was pretty good
I also liked when he talked about how good our outfield defense was – Young, Span, and Kubel
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like he's never watched baseball before.
so frustrating. Only made me miss Dick and Bert more. Can you imagine how Dick would have reacted to that game-winning hit by Casilla?! I listened to Gladden; not nearly as satisfying.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one thing we can all agree on
You can’t get enough Dick
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we only have 44 unearned runs!
We must have a great defense!!!
We play the game the right way!!!
We’re scrappy!!!!
Or, we have one of the best offenses in the league and have a decent pitching staff that hasn’t looked as good as they should because of our poor defense.
by lookatthosetwins on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darling has a fist full of love for Porcello
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does talk about fisting an awful lot
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fruedian slip...no need to pay attention.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would still like a bone scan to verify if Duensing is
indeed 6 years older than Ricky Rick.
I always loved that one.
by FoulJack on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
—Hasta la victoria siempre. ¡Patria o Meurte! –Ernesto "Che" Guevara
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 8, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was just wrong.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darling's exam for Porcello?
don’t ask where I found this…
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow will be interesting.
If the Twins can pull the split in NY, there’s absolutely no reason they can’t take the series. And there is no way they should be counted out already: they made it this far and they weren’t supposed to, what would hold them back now?
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The NY fans at the game last night.
we’re already talking about bringing on the Red Sox. They act like that matchup is a given. Oh, and of course I was yelled at and booed in the bathroom again. There are a lot of very fun and nice Yankee fans that I met last night. However, there a still way too many tools that give the rest a bad name.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So unsurprising.
I’m sure half of the crowd there could care less about baseball or the Yankees, but are just there cause it’s the cool thing to do. Most of the people behind home plate last night made me hate NY all over again. Half of them were on a phone for the majority of the game. Ugh. Gross.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they not only overlook us...
but the Angels too? Wow.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by thewild_viking_twins on Oct 8, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't suspect it was overlooking the Angels.
The Red Sox are their rivals and bitter enemies. Very much analogous to Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton. They aren’t overlooking the Angels, just believing that they will have their chance to crush the Sox, as we would look forward to crushing the Sox – white Sox.
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paris is taller
But I think Lindsay would win, especially if Paris is wearing high heels. Is that going to be on PPV?
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
—Hasta la victoria siempre. ¡Patria o Muerte! –Ernesto "Che" Guevara
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 8, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's corny but we really need to look at it this way...
Twins making the playoffs 3 back 4 left: Impossible.
Twins holding on to win game 163: Impossible.
Twins coming back when they’re a game down against the Yankees: Impossible
“Impossible is nothing”
by urluckyday on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's drink this Kool Aid!
What’s the alternative? Give up hope. What fun is that? WIN TWINS!!!!!
by stltwinfan on Oct 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matsui Homer
Did anyone else notice the route that Denard was taking on Matsui’s homerun? It look like he sauntered a couple steps to his right, than back slowly, than faster and faster toward the wall. He either got an awful read off the bat, or that ball was carried significantly by the wind.
by TC Brent on Oct 8, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Wind had a lot to do with it
I thought that was a sure out off the bat.
by lookatthosetwins on Oct 8, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game and the wind was incredible.
I am amazed there were not more HR’s in the game.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to go on a thing about getting more rest again...
…but I really think being exhausted cost us the game last night. Not because of hitting (though that was probably affected by the lack of sleep) or pitching (ditto), but fielding. I lost count of how many double-play balls the Yanks hit last night that we simply couldn’t turn, but I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 5, only one of which we got. That, I think, was clearly an exhaustion issue, because several of those were more or less standard plays. Our infielders just weren’t fast or sure-handed enough. A good day of rest, and that’s going to look a lot better.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Tomorrow will (hopefully) be a completely different team than last night. Fresher, quicker. And a little more offense-oriented. :)
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuddles error was purley a tired thing.
No way he misses that on full rest.
Poor Cuddles. C’mon boy! Lay down, lay down! Take a nap buddy!
I always loved that one.
by FoulJack on Oct 8, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UH,.....Ok,,,,Give me some of what your smoking,
Yeah sure…and Bill Clinton could be president again! You are clearly delirious!
You Twins fans are clearly so high on adrenaline from your win over the Tigers (caused by their complete and utter collapse to allow you to have a chance to begin with) that it has clouded your judgement.
Consider this the Yanks scored 7 runs last night when they were clearly showing signs of rustiness after the layoff of a few days just waiting on you boneheads to clinch.
If you were in the East you probably wouldnt have cracked 50 wins!
Prepare yourself for a 10 run game on Friday from the Yanks and have fun getting swept.
PS
And oh yeah…..we’ll eliminate you “IN THE METRODOME”
I believe we are undefeated there this season.
by J.T. Z on Oct 8, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good post
P.S. and oh yeah…you’re a douche.
this is why people hate Yankees’ fans.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Oct 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is everyone on Pinstripe Alley 15 years old?
Or do they just act like it.
by matty_b on Oct 8, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just the couple folks with nothing better to do
Solomon96 and others are quite reasonable. His “wine vs connoisseurs” statement was right on the mark.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not even on Pinstripe Alley
He just joined SBN solely to troll this site. Is trolling really all that fun? I don’t get it.
by Mike I on Oct 8, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably is on PsA
He’s just using a fake email account to just troll
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
—Hasta la victoria siempre. ¡Patria o Meurte! –Ernesto "Che" Guevara
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Is exactly why I am rooting for the Twinkies.
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons
by dtownmbrown on Oct 8, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for you, buddy.
Good for you.
Considering your payroll, you should be able to do anything. Why are you here, other than to show off your own insecurities. When the Yankees are knocked out, by the Twins or anyone else, you’ll have no excuse. Because apparently, money wins championships.
Take care, slick.
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about New York
Presumably they can have comfortable beds and room-darkening blinds.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One more reason to hate Yankee fans.....
Joe Mauer will be a Yankee next year.
Put that in your twinkie pipe and smoke it!
LMMFAO!!!!
by J.T. Z on Oct 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny
He’s signed to the Twins through 2010.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry missed it by a Year
Here it is:
Yanks and Red Sox ready to outbid Twins for Mauer
By Mark Miller
The Minnesota Twins don’t want to lose catcher Joe Mauer(notes), but that’s exactly what could happen after next season. The New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox are apparently prepared to throw a lot of dough in his direction when he becomes a free agent, according to the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
The Twins are supposedly going to offer the 26-year-old around $120 million for the next seven seasons. That may not be enough
by J.T. Z on Oct 8, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation?
You’re relying on speculation?
Twins Assistant GM Rob Antony: “We can afford him.”
Smoke that, douche.
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it an and/or deal?
Can’t I do just one? Pleeeeaaasee?
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might be more of a do one, and you better do the other...
b/c if you’re going to feel the troll, at least buy him dinner first…
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he meant it as a warning
Like they have fleas or rabies or something.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
—Hasta la victoria siempre. ¡Patria o Muerte! –Ernesto "Che" Guevara
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 8, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won't respect you in the morning.
And, more importantly, you won’t respect yourself. Tsk.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny
A guy who rarely posts here lecturing two of the moderators. I mean, I agree with you and all, but it just struck me as funny.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
life is tough when you have to have the talent and smarts to develop your own players
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the Twins can win...
… but let’s get real here for a second and maybe we can deflect some of the troll comments. The Yankees took the long ALDS series so they would only have to start Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte. There is absolutely no chance they would start anyone like Joba (who’s only around for bullpen work, as evidenced by last night) or Mitre (who isn’t even on the postseason roster) in game 4. It will be Sabathia, followed by Burnett in a potential game 5.
Also, while we’re talking about Burnett’s crappiness in Aug, you have to acknowledge that Blackburn was almost as bad that month (1-4, 5.70 ERA). Granted, he’s been excellent for the Twinkies down the stretch, but so has Burnett for the Yankees in his last two starts. Blackburn would by no means have the edge in a game 5 in New York, where, while we’re talking about how invincible the Dome home field advantage is, the Yankees are 58-24 this season. As for Pettitte, yes, he’s been average down the stretch, but so has Pavano.
What it’s all going to boil down to is luck. Like you said, anything can happen in a 5 game series. That’s the reality of playoff baseball. Play on.
by mywnn on Oct 8, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crappiness in August
Overall, Burnett and Blackburn’s numbers for the year are pretty similar, except that Burnett has many more walks and strikeouts. You have a great point about the Yankees needing only a three man staff, but that works out for the Twins as well since we don’t have to pitch Duensing in Game 5.
I’m not saying Blackburn would have the edge in Game 5, obviously the Yankees would be heavily favored. But I’d take Blackburn in the pressure packed Game 5 over Burnett. It’s surprising, but Blackburn actually has more experience in big games (!), pitching the must wins down the stretch, as well as last year’s playoff.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 8, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can start the whining now....
Let me get you started off..it usually begins with something like this……
1. The Yankees just buy their championships.
2. The Yankees suck.
3. The Yankees fans suck
4. Baseball needs a salary cap.
5. The Yankees just buy all their players anyone can do that.
There that should do it…we’ve heard it all before the crying and whining so go ahead get it out just continue filling in the list. We really dont care . We just go about winning more championships than anyone..PERIOD!
(You can start with number 6.)
by J.T. Z on Oct 8, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are certainly doing your best to prove #3.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I think he is unaware of how ‘irony’ works.
And seriously? They keep throwing money at the team…that hasn’t won a championship in a while. So, fail there. And I’d rather have the Twins, with guys who genuinely care about their team/state and are championshipless, than the Yankees. Just saying.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Get used to this next year.
“Now batting for the Yankees……Joe Mauer”
by J.T. Z on Oct 8, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question...
Are you trying to get banned?
Sure seems like it.
Blazersedge mods suck
by lrh86 on Oct 8, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I babysit a toddler.
When he behaves like this, I set him in his playpen and leave the room for ten minutes. Really, it’s the best approach to this sort of tantrum-ing mindset.
Besides, there’s no point in arguing with someone who can’t even use an ellipsis properly.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and who is unaware that an ellipsis is "...", not ",,,,,,,,"
fail.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep him around.
He amuses me. Besides cmathewson and the rest are eating him for lunch.
by stltwinfan on Oct 8, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe is a real man with high morals.
Don’t fool yourself skanky.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Oct 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry missed it by a Year.
YAHOO NEWS CLIP:
Yanks and Red Sox ready to outbid Twins for Mauer
By Mark Miller
The Minnesota Twins don’t want to lose catcher Joe Mauer(notes), but that’s exactly what could happen after next season. The New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox are apparently prepared to throw a lot of dough in his direction when he becomes a free agent, according to the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
The Twins are supposedly going to offer the 26-year-old around $120 million for the next seven seasons. That may not be enough
by J.T. Z on Oct 8, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if it's on the internet
it must be true…
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should I also show you...
The old post about the Yankees getting CC Sabathia or Texiera or Burnett to prove the point?
by J.T. Z on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't prove anything
but why should we care about proving anything to you?
You’ve shown very clearly that you have low self esteem and can only make yourself feel better by going onto other teams sites and posting garbage. I’m sure you’ve done this every year for the past 4 and then cried in your room after the Yankees lost out.
The Yankees may beat us, and probably will, but you’ll still be a sad, sad human. I don’t hate you or your fellow morons. I just feel bad for you, and for the real fans who get a bad name because of you.
by lookatthosetwins on Oct 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure...
his parents allowed him to web surf 4 years ago.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
by cryhavoc on Oct 9, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those aren't proofs
They are examples. When the Twins want to retain a player, they do. They want to retain Mauer. Ergo, they will. They know you don’t get a new stadium from this demographic and then let the best player in franchise history walk.
As to the exact figure, they haven’ offered anything yet out of respect for the player. Joe has asked to wait until after the season to negotiate another contract. When this season is over, they will make an offer. I would bet a paycheck that they will have a deal before spring training 2010 that keeps Mauer in a Twins uniform for six or seven years beyond 2010.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee troll
is elliptically syllogistically challenged. Do not feed the troll.
by uncle rico on Oct 8, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Twins fan
I take pride in the fact that the Twins develop players within their own system and don’t need to fill every position through free agency. Even if Mauer were to become a Yankee I would still respect what he accomplished/accomplishes as a player of the game, probably in the same manner that I still respect Santana (who was a supposed lock for the Yankees as well). What I don’t have respect for is posters on this site that make up crazy stuff without any stats or evidence to back up what they say.
by Tuba on Oct 8, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about the old articles about the Yankees getting Santana?
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melky Cabrera + Phil Hughes>>> Carlos Gomez and Phil Humber
Admittedly Melk and Hughes are nothing special but Melk is at least league average, if not a little better and Hughes has a floor as a lockdown reliever. You had to settle for a lesser package because Smith got greedy.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is saying we got the best deal.
It was more a statement about you can’t always believe what you read.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah true
I got a little misconstrued on the actual point . Happens sometimes. My apologies. Thought yall were saying something else. And Yea, Rauch is a nice reliever. His tats are a little strange tho.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t disagree with you about Cabrera, Huges>Gomez, Humber. I think the trade will be determined by how well Delois Guerra pitches in the next few years.
by Tuba on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also have to remember
we acquired Jon Rauch for a small piece of that trade as well. You are right that the value of the trade will only be known many years down the road.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s more like Guerra and Gomez vs Hughes and Cabrera. At the moment, everyone would rather have Hughes and Cabrera. But Guerra’s only 20 years old. And, apparently, if you’re a 20-year old pitcher, you’re pretty good.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Especially if you dress like your older..say 29 or 30...Looks say a lot these days about talent.
"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."
by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Oct 9, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows if that offer was ion the table.
It was just offered.
And Melky sucks. Id rather have Gomez.
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 8, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahah well you'd be a bad General Manager then.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
False
Gomez: 3.2 career WAR in 3 years
Melky: 3.4 in 5 years.
Gomez was worth 2.6 wins last year, Melky’s career high is 1.6. Go back to elementary school.
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 9, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elementary school? Thats harsh. I havn't been insulted like that since
well, elementary school.
Melk 2009 WAR 1.6
Gomez 2009 WAR 0.6
The Gomez 2008 WAR you’re referring to was inflated by a ridonkulous 16.1 UZR.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 9, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's cause he actually got playing time
if he got playing time this year, he’d have a similar UZR
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 9, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, he did only have about a half season's worth of AB's
And Melk was so bad he actually got demoted last yr. He’s picked it up significantly since then tho.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 9, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is at odd the Melk's number went up
when they moved into the new stadium????
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 9, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I don't know what that was either
elementary school? I’m not as clever when I’m drunk I guess.
However, I have confirmed I’m extra nerdy since I looked up a player’s WAR when I was drunk.
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 9, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nerd power homeboy.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 9, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
congrats on being the only decent Yankees fan I “know.” You may have just saved your fanbase from a lot of inappropriate jokes.
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 9, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, it's all good.
Joke away. I’ve been lurking here every once in a while. Most of the Yankee “fans” that come through deserve to be ridiculed.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 9, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Gomez
than Melky. Gomez’ UZR/150 has suffered a bit this year (5.8 vs 16.1), primarily due to his range numbers suffering. However, I suspect this is not due to his range regressing (anyone who’s watched Gomez this year can see), but rather a small sample size that is affected by a few mixups (about 4-5) between Gomez and Span in the OF. There was a stretch earlier this year where it seemed there was a mixup every other game.
Melky’s offensive numbers have improved this year (.336 wOBA vs .316 career), but this is truly inflated by a sharp rise in HR/FB rate due to the new Yankee Stadium.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 9, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too wouldn't trde Gomez for Melky straight up
But I would trade Gomez and Guerra for Hughes and Melky in a heartbeat. Guerra’s upside is a big question mark. At best, he’s Hughes in three years.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 9, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
when you include Hughes and Guerra.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 9, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
I still think Hughes is a stud
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Oct 9, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you stop being a little bitch please?
Seriously, you’re f*cking embarrassing.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are much less fun that that Detroit troll that kept talking about the trashdome
Come up with something more entertaining please
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
such a lack of creativity
what a waste.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
J.T.Z
I do not mean to engage you in further “trash talk” as you seem to really be getting off on that a lot here. Congrats, and all. W00t, indeed.
But really, tell us about your relationship with your dad. This is obviously the root of most of your sillyness here. What was that dynamic like growing up? What would you say to him if you didnt have to filter your words? Let it out, friend. We are Minnesotans, and we are good listeners. Let it out.
I always loved that one.
by FoulJack on Oct 8, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
lol!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
by 33MorneauMVP on Oct 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's time to close down the site, guys
J.T.Z. has shown us the error of our ways, and we should all go buy Derek Jeter jerseys.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Oct 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Why do I even cheer for the team I love?
I should probably just move back to NYC and lock myself in Manhattan.
by Jesse on Oct 8, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree Jesse.
It’s pretty lame that you like the Twins.
I mean, if you think about it, they are NOT the Yankees. And if you think about it, the Yankees are the bestest thing in the history of everything, everywhere. So really, quit being so lame, would ya?
I always loved that one.
by FoulJack on Oct 8, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Yankees should just buy MLB
that way the Yankees fan can always talk about how they are going to get every player and win every World Series.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, is Rick Porcello on the Yankees?
Cause I fail to see how they could possibly be the best without him.
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 8, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should really reorganize MLB
Cut it down to 2 teams, the Yankees and the Red Sox. We’ll make them like the Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals. The Yankees can win every game on the zany hijinks of Jeter and A-Rod, while the Red Sox can be the hapless stooges. And no one would ever care about any team other than the Yankees and the Red Sox, so why bother including any other teams in the league?
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will continue to root for the Twins. As a Minnesotan (at least at heart) I believe it is my privilege to suffer the disappointment of losing except when they win.
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My wife is from NYC, and all my in-laws live on LI
and there is no doubt that sports fans follow the Mets, not the Yankees.
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on
Now you’re being ridiculous
there is no doubt that sports fans follow the Mets, not the Yankees.
Explain that. WHat does that even mean. Real fans follow the Mets? They’re a glorified expansion team and will forever play second fiddle in NY. Insinuating that “real fans” follow the mets is a silly and baseless accusation intended as a cheap shot because you’re upset you guys lost last night.
Any team that has any modicum of success is going to have bandwagoners, trolls fair weather fans etc. I’m sure you guys sold a lot more merchandise during your run to the playoffs this past month than a normal September because the team was winning and it was fashionable to sport Twins gear. Assholes like static shock and that idiot on this thread are far and away the exception not the rule.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True to an extent.
I know plenty of real sports fans that are Yankees fans. While, I agree static shock and other assholes are not the norm, they are more common than I think you want to admit.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh without a doubt,
you always hear from the vocal minority and as a result judge the majority as the same. Hell I’ll be the first person to say I love the Yankees but HAAAAAATE the fans. I go to games and want to punch my own brethren in the face because they’re idiots.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last night.
a buddy of mine, witnessed a fight in the bathroom between Yankee fans. I had to deal with the fear of that happening to me last night. I understand, I should not expect to go to Yankee Stadium and not get talked to, but I also shouldn’t have to fear about being the lone Twins fan in the bathroom. I have been to two Twins game this year at Yankee stadium and had to deal with being yelled both games. With all that said, I must admit I enjoyed most of the fans at the game last night.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like what I used to go through at A's games
it got so bad my wife won’t go to A’s v Twins games now.
Of course these days there are probably about an equal number of Twins fans to A’s fans.
by caluofmn on Oct 8, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been called unspeakable names plenty of times at Oakland Coliseum
All I’ve had to endure at Yankee Stadium is a lecture on how Jeter is more valuable than Mauer. For what it’s worth, I’ll take an Oakland game any day ;)
my floor is looking pretty dirty... BETTER GET OUT THE BROOM!!!
by natetheskate on Oct 8, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahah, the threat of physical violence or a lecture about Jeets.
I’ll take my chance with getting beaten up.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never witnessed any hostility towards
any other fans except Boston. I’ll be completely honest, you won’t really encounter any shit from Yankee fans because the Twins aren’t really seen as a “threat”. No offense intended, but the average Yankee fan has seething hatred for the Sox because of what happened in 04 and them generally being a pain in our ass this decade. The Twins are seen as more like peaceful interlopers. The fans come out once or twice a year don’t cause any trouble usually the team takes a beating and goes home. Then again I don’t really consider myself an average Yankee fan so I’m sure there’s troublemakers out there.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said before...
overall, everyone at the game was great. I think the best comment of the night was after Tolbert got beaned. A guy next to said’ “Tell Gardy we were sending a message and Punto’s next!”
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 8, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't have a chance to reply before to the thread above so I'll do it here,
there is no doubt that sports fans follow the Mets, not the Yankees.
I specifically avoided using an adjective like “real” or “intelligent” because I have no doubt that there are both kinds of fans that do actually follow the Yankees. So what do I mean?
My impression of Yankees vs. Mets fans is that the blue-collar, lunchpail personalities are the ones who follow the Mets. There is a hardcore edge to their love of the team, and they live and die based on the Mets’ season. On game nights they are watching, they might not be able to afford the tickets, but they have the radio on, they are paying attention, and they care. If they are at Uncle Sal’s they’ll hike three blocks through the rain to get to the bar that is showing the game.
Yankees fans are generally checking the score on their Blackberrys while in the cab riding uptown from an expensive dinner to an expensive bar. If the Yankee’s win, hey that’s because the Yankees are great and they should win. If the Yankees lose, who cares, its a fluke, I got more important things to worry about anyways.
I am not saying that to insult anyone, or because the Twins lost to the Yankees. That is why I chose not to use an adjective. I did mean it as a very slight dig, but not an insult. And it would be ridiculous that I mean to presume that ALL Yankees fans are anything, or ALL Mets fans are anything else. Just an observation of the general differences I see in the two sets of fans.
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me give you another difference to prove that I didn't mean to insult yankees fans.
My brother in law and his Mets fans friends. They know Minnesota and Iowa and can find ithem on a map. They can engage in a solid discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of Justin Morneau vs. David Wright.
My wife’s Yankee friends know NYC, Los Angeles, and they know Chicago exists somewhere there in the middle of the wasteland that some Americans so quaintly refer to as the ‘Heartland.’ We are not talking about dumb people here. Its not that they can’t find Minnesota or Iowa on a map because they are stupid, but because they don’t care. (notice no sarcasm font or insult there – just relaying the real attitude they have).
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that worked too well.
The whole “proof” thing.
by MNPundit on Oct 8, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still, you're right!
The yanquis suck! Stick it to ’em Montana!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
—Hasta la victoria siempre. ¡Patria o Muerte! –Ernesto "Che" Guevara
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 8, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahah
basically you know a handful of people from New York and have based your perceptions on that. To each his own I guess. One of my friends from Minneapolis is adoped from Columbia and his dad is a ridiculously wealthy cardiologist. Therefore my perception of Minnesotans is that they’re all rich and Columbian.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 8, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vocal minority
These dumbass Yankee fans like the troll in this thread (not you of course) give all other Yankee fans a bad name. On another blog I called Yankee fans sons of bitches. Then I remembered my brother’s a Yankee fan.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 9, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahah, I get embarrassed by that shit.
I’m a nerd I like to bs about baseball, I hate when these idiots come in and talk stupid and it gets generalized to a whole fanbase. How’d u end up a twins fan and your bro a Yankee fan?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 9, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He moved to NY right out of college and lived there for 35 years
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 9, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh word, that makes sense.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post Adam
I’m with you!
GO TWINS!!!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
—Hasta la victoria siempre. ¡Patria o Meurte! –Ernesto "Che" Guevara
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 8, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry Twinkies, we are still rooting for you.
Twins will get them tomorrow.
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by 44FAN on Oct 8, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What have I missed today?
…An awful lot of garbage on here today, real change for what normally is an excellent site. Guess it reminds me of the first few times I had any contact with the east coast. Now, lets hope that the Twins can make us all proud!
As for the broadcasters on TBS…absolute garbage. I was so wanting a Twins homerun last night to see if the announcer would have the same enthusiasm for us as for the Yankees. Recall my wife getting upset with me getting so upset while we were up to bat in an early inning. I don’t think that they spent 10 seconds talking about the Twins while we were batting. You all will remmber the inning, it was the tribute to Derek Jeter inning.
Oh well, I now know why I have not and will not ever watch TBS.
by roger13 on Oct 8, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, now, don't tar the whole East.
The O’s are all right. Sad sacks these days, admittedly, but it’s that or alcoholism.
The TBS people are going to burn in hell, as far as I’m concerned. But it could get worse. Remember, we as the Twins are trying to do a public service: sparing the nation from having to once again listen to Joe Buck broadcast from inside Derek Jeter’s ass.
http://www.realityfish.com
by Robin G on Oct 8, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As someone who had a backrow seat...
…to epic collapses against the Angels, Yankees, Yankees, and As….
well I hope you are right! All the losing is out of the system now!
by MNPundit on Oct 8, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very odd thread,
so many new people suddenly and so much attention on the other team(s). Strange world for Twinkie Town.
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
The good ship TwinkieTown has sailed into a harbor at the end of the Hudson river. Hope we don’t all get the clap.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Oct 8, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The troll rats are already jumping onboard!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
—Hasta la victoria siempre. ¡Patria o Muerte! –Ernesto "Che" Guevara
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 8, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Stop Believing!
A lot of it has to do with mentality. Sure the Yankees are a powerhouse, but they can fall like any other team. You can’t play scared against them, however (which is stating the obvious I know, but I think that the Twins have had a weak mindset in past against whenever the’ve played the Yankees). Anyone who has played in any kind of organized sports knows that taking on your opponent with the mindset that you are going to take them out is a requirement for winning; it doesn’t mean you are guaranteed a win because the other team may have the same mindset, but it is nonetheless required.
I played tennis in university and I remember playing one guy who was not as good as I was quite frankly. I won the first set, but missed a couple of easy shots in the second set, and lost my confidence and lost the second set. My coach was extremely angry with me and said (actually), “Get the fudge out of your pants and win the 3rd set.” Actually I needed the scolding; it restored my confidence. I would have defnitely lost without improving my mindset.
We need the O-Cab spirit of the post-Detroit victory and take these Yankees down! They are beatable—anyone is!
"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."
by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Oct 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This has to be one of the longest threads we've ever had that isn't a gamethead
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 8, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
about as random, too. :)
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 9, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."
by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Oct 9, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Punto
Nicky made a great throw to first while stretched out sideways last night….could that defensive talent be the reason Gardy goes out on a limb for Nicky? For what it is worth there is nothing more obnoxious than being stuck listening to the Yankee YES announcers on XM radio…They are the perfect example of a what it means to be a Yankee fan….Pompous Donkey Butts. I would rather be a Twins Fan and lose than be a Yankee fan any day. I have said all year..YES THEY CAN, and I will either go down with the ship or ride it into the harbor…GO TWINS.
by BigSkyViking on Oct 9, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Mauer
Remember Joe lives in Minnesota, has friends in Minnesota, wants to stay in Minnesota. I reckon thats a big difference from somebody from Venezuala who probably wants the biggest paycheck.s Kindof backfired for Johan..when do the Mets play next?
by BigSkyViking on Oct 9, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Besides Torii and Santana...
Who would we have kept if we had the money? I’m just curious…
by TwinkieinHawaii on Oct 9, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats, Adam!
Outside of game threads, I think this is the most comments we’ve ever had on any one post! TOP DOG!
by Jesse on Oct 9, 2009 5:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...thanks!
You have to give credit to all of the thoughtful (and thoughtless) Yankees fans who have sparked many random discussions.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 9, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#6
Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but we actually out-hit the Yankees in game 1. C.C. did not completely blow us away, like everyone predicted, and he was the best they’ve got.
by andreamiller on Oct 9, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two out hits and home runs
were the key difference. We got many of our hits with less than two outs (and not RISP), while NY came up big with two outs. That, and NY had a couple big home runs from Jeter and Matsui.
by Adam Peterson on Oct 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re insane if you really think the Yanks will lose to the Twins. The past history is irrelevant. It’s not the same Yankee team. I hope you don’t put any money on your “prediction”
by Sandy S on Oct 9, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh look.
More “our money is better than your team” NY fans. Yay!
"Baseball doesn't owe me a thing. I owe my whole life to baseball." -Kirby Puckett
by fischean on Oct 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy is a idiot the twins don’t have a chance they will lose in 3.
by buffedstud on Oct 9, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you joined twinkie town to say that.
ha, ha, ha.
by montanatwinsfan on Oct 10, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Twins will force a fourth game, and hopefully will win. look where they were during the last week of the season, overcoming an eight game deficit, every one counted them out. all of the baseball analysts were expecting the Tigers to be the division champs. all they kept saying was that the Tigers needed to win the division at the end, when Minnesota was four games out, with four games left. the media kept going on and on about how the Tigers needed to win the Division with in two games, so that the could start Justin Verlander in game one or game two of the playoffs. well look what happened, the Twins FORCED a one game playoff and beat the Detroit Tigers in one of the best games of the year. the Twins have ended the season on a high note. winning 21 of 27 to capture the division title. whether or not they win, I am PROUD of they way they fought o the very end. they won all those games on September with out their MVP, Justin Morneau. if he would be healthy, the 0-2 playoff performance might not be…
by tipper on Oct 11, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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