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Twins Non-Tender Candidates

Are there really any surprises?  We'll throw in some other candidates who, while not technically non-tender candates, are still players whose rosters spots are in doubt.


GABRH2B3BHRRBIBBKSBCSAVGOBPSLG
2009 - Brendan Harris 123 414 44 108 22 1 6 37 29 78 0 2 .261 .310 .362

Brendan's offensive projections coming into 2009 weren't unreasonable.  In fact, five of the more popular oracles all had his OPS coming in between .715 and .750, and those all seemed about right considering the last couple of years he's had.  Instead he turned in a .672 performance, his lowest since his rookie season in 2004.  In general he walked less, hit fewer line drives and his plate discipline fell off as well.  In the field, his ability to play multiple positions aside, there's no advantage to be found.

All of Minnesota's middle infielders struggled this season, but with Harris A) not under contract for 2010, B) due a significant raise in aribitration and C) with less expensive options available to fill his shoes, Brendan's future with the Twins isn't guaranteed.


GABRH2B3BHRRBIBBKSBCSAVGOBPSLG
2009 - Brian Buscher 61 136 14 32 3 1 2 12 24 35 0 0 .235 .360 .316

Buscher's fate could be tied to any number of things, but largely his future with the Twins will boil down to what the organization wants to do with other players.  If the Twins feel Luke Hughes or Daniel Valencia are ready to step in it will depend on whether they'll be happy with an inexperienced but familiar backup who can hit right-handers.  In spite of the fact that he'll be due less money than Harris in 2010, their fates could be tied to each other if Minnesota brings in a veteran third baseman.

The only way both of these players return, and feel free to point out how wrong I am if I'm missing something, is if the Twins believe that a Harris/Buscher platoon at the hot corner is their best option going forward.  But between the trade market for third baseman, the free agent market for third basemen and a pair of decent third base prospects due to break into the majors at any time, I have to believe their days in Minnesota are numbered.


Boof Bonser

#26 / Pitcher / Minnesota Twins

6-4

245

R

R

Oct 14, 1981

 

He still has the best name on the roster, and personally I'd be surprised if he wasn't tendered a contract this winter, but you can certainly make a case that his status could be in doubt.

  • Bonser will be due arbitration in 2010.
  • Put that extra money on top of disappointing '07 and '08 campaigns, and a completely missed '09, and you could argue that the money going to Bonser would constitute an uneccessary risk.
  • The Twins have a lot of young, pre-arbitration starters available.

A lot of how you view this decision depends on your faith in Bonser's abilities going forward.  He did pitch better than his numbers might indicate in '07 and especially '08, but can he consistently use his fastball/curveball combination effectively for a full season as a starter?


W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2009 - Philip Humber 0-0 8 0 0 0 0 0 9.0 17 8 8 1 9 9 8.00 2.89

Unless this organization is seeing something I'm not seeing, I don't see a reason to hang onto Humber at this point.  The fact that he's not currently on the 40-man roster works to his advantage, because it does mean that if the Twins want to keep him in Rochester next season as a little insurance they can without using up a roster spot.  But for a guy who will be 27 next season, who is essentially a two-pitch pitcher and who's really struggled with his command as a general rule in the majors, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get the axe.

 


GABRH2B3BHRRBIBBKSBCSAVGOBPSLG
2009 - Delmon Young 108 395 50 112 16 2 12 60 12 92 2 5 .284 .308 .425

No, no, no, no, no.  A thousand times, no.  I know he hasn't panned out so far but he'll still be just 24 in 2010, and maybe the Twins need to get inside his head a bit.  Every morning tell him it's September.  I don't know, but especially with nobody to push him next season coming up through the system there's is absolutely zero reason to even consider this.

 


W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2009 - Jesse Crain 7-4 56 0 0 0 0 0 51.2 48 28 27 3 27 43 4.70 1.45

 

A solid end to the season hasn't stopped speculation from some that, due to the kind of money he'll get through arbitration this year, he should be considered a non-tender candidate.  The bullpen is already considered to be a position of strength for the Twins in '10, with Matt Guerrier, Jon Rauch and Jose Mijares all performing well this season, Pat Neshek due to be back and ready to pitch and, of course, Joe Nathan at the end of it all.

Is $2,000,000+ too much to pay for a relief pitcher who isn't a closer?  You could argue it's too much to pay a closer.  But with Nathan, Guerrier and Rauch all making millions in the 'pen, is it a wise decision for this organization to spend so much in an area typically manned by less expensive players?  There are options, internally as well as externally.

Personally I'm optimistic about the relief corps next season, but I still think Crain needs to stick around.  If he's part of a trade, okay, I get it, but with the troubles this team had with the 'pen for most of the season I'm not above thinking that depth isn't a bad thing to had.  Especially considering how Jesse pitched down the stretch.  If we want the bullpen to really be a strength for the Twins in 2010, Crain should be a part of it.


W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2009 - Glen Perkins 6-7 18 17 0 0 0 0 96.1 120 64 63 13 23 45 5.89 1.48

There's been a lot of publicized stress between Perkins and the organization over the last few months.  No matter who you think is right, if anyone really is, there is strain on the relationship.  If both sides decide to work through it, good for them, but I'm not sure that can happen.

 

Around the site it's been discussed that Perk could be part of a trade package.  I think that's more likely than a non-tender, but you never know.  This one is a tricky call, and a lot of it depends more on whether the two sides can kiss and make up, rather than anything financial or roster space related.


Drew Butera

#71 / Catcher / Minnesota Twins

6-1

210

R

R

Aug 09, 1983

 

This is a reality, although it may surprise some.  There are a lot of good catchers in this system, with Joe Mauer and Jose Morales sitting right at the top.  Wilson Ramos is already on the 40-man roster.  With Drew there's a real possibility of the Twins being able to slip him through waivers and re-sign him off the 40-man, but if the organization wants a little flexibility with their roster (which they do need) Butera might be one of the odd men out.


Jason Pridie

#11 / Center Field / Minnesota Twins

6-1

205

L

R

Oct 09, 1983

 

I think that facial hair is reason enough, but realistically there isn't much more you can expect from Pridie going forward.  It's looking more and more like his triple-A campaign for the Rays in 2007 was indeed a fluke, as he continues to strike out without walking or really making good, consistent contact.  And with younger, better performing outfielders like Rene Tosoni on their way up and deserving playing time, it would surprise me to see Pridie back in Rochester in 2010.


GABRH2B3BHRRBIBBKSBCSAVGOBPSLG
2009 - Justin Huber 1 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .500 .500 .500

Justin had a fine season in Rochester, and while he's getting on a bit in age it's interesting that both Randy Ruiz and Garrett Jones (players of a similar makeup) went on to have career years with the Blue Jays and Pirates respectively.  Huber is capable of that kind of production if we're looking at his minor league numbers.  But it's unlikely a player of his limited defensive skills would be able to find regular playing time with the Twins, and no doubt a guy like Erik Lis is due a promotion to Rochester.

 

There is space in the majors for players like Huber, but it has to be with the right club who can afford him a roster spot.  He's not a bad insurance policy, the kind of guy you can look at and say "okay, maybe", but I'm not sure this is the right organization for him.

What are your thoughts?

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Aren’t non-tenders all players who are arbitration eligible? They essentially become free agents because the “owning” team doesn’t want to pay them what they would make in arb, at least that is my understanding.

From your list, Harris, Bonser, Young and Crain would be non-tender candidates and the rest would be suspects to be either released or taken off the 40-man roster.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 1, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That might be the case.

This is where a bit of my comprehension of the terms breaks down.

by Jesse on Nov 1, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Edited!

Relatively painless…

by Jesse on Nov 1, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One other name for possible removal: Bobby Keppel.

I was very happy with what he did at times in ‘09 and his Game 163 heroics were great. However, there is already going to be a lot of competition for the bullpen and I’m just not sure where he fits.

by Twins Territory on Nov 1, 2009 9:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My take on the names mentioned

Harris—I see no reason to keep Harris around unless he is the primary 3B. His defense is below average everywhere but bad footwork and lack of range really hurts in the middle infield.

Bonser—The Twins looked pretty well stocked in starters last year. In July and August they were calling up anyone with a pulse to take a shot at starting. A healthy Bonser is a better option than Gabino and Manship and probably Swarzak. I think you keep him around if he shows himself to be healthy.

Young is probably pencilled in as the starting left fielder next year. I doubt the Twins would give up on him, although expectations have probably been lowered considerably.

Crain—Much like Bonser, I thought he would be too valuable to give up for nothing. I still believe that, but I think perhaps a trade would be good for both the Twins and Mr. Crain. I looked at big league rosters for RH hitters with good stats against lefties and found that Jose Bautista makes about what Crain does. Bautista could be a candidate to DH, play some corner outfield or maybe third base. I think trading Crain for a useful position piece would not hurt the staff too much, especially if Neshek and Bonser are truly healthy.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 1, 2009 9:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

trade crain, perkins, bonser and pridie to the brewers for jj hardy and d prospect. give them our non tender canidate two whom have some upside still in perkins and bonser and take one of theirs back

by mdfritz250145 on Nov 1, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It might be nice, but the Brewers want a proven starter. Perkins with a higher prospect might get it done. I think Perkins and someone like Swarzak or another upcoming starter might work.

by Twins Territory on Nov 1, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perkins +

I’ve been saying Perkins plus Wilson Ramos, really a high price to pay, but I am one that believes that Hardy will come back and be a fine player next year.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 1, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

High price?

For one, I don’t think Ramos is a good fit. I get that imaginary trades always includes bright, sunshine scenarios for the guys sent packing, but Perkins is a question mark.

by Salty on Nov 2, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ramos is untouchable

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by cmathewson on Nov 2, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why

If Mauer is re-signed, why keep Ramos? I realize he is probably going to be a very good player in the majors, but if he is blocked by a future Hall of Famer, why not trade him for comparable talent at a position of need?

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 2, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the most obvious answer

is that you always need insurance, especially when your HoF player might have to change positions eventually. Joe will always be the starter up front, but if Ramos hits at all he might be able to push Morales down the line.

by Jesse on Nov 2, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't give up bats like Ramos

Especially with the skills he has at a key position like catcher. He missed more than half the year and he still ended up second on the team in homers. Have you seen the way he’s hitting in winter ball? Insane. The ball just jumps off his bat. If nothing else, he’s be a nice DH option if you move Kubel to left.

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by cmathewson on Nov 2, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ramos

He is still young, He should probably start at AAA in 2010, but could, conceivably, start at AA. Then move up to AAA. And spend all of 2011 at AAA. He would be available to come up to the Twins, if need be, any of those years. In 2012 he would have to remain on the 25-man roster. Mauer will be pushing 30, right? And Ramos will be 24-25?

It all depends on the health of Mauer. Right now, Morales is a more than adequate backup for Mauer for the next two seasons. If Mauer goes down and Morales has to play extensively, I don’t know. Do the Twins still need a 3rd catcher?

Ramos needs to work on his skills behind-the-plate., just in case. Morales can be a 100-at-bat guy and back up Mauer for the near present. Hopefully, Gardy will DH him and be willing to lose the DH if he has to switch out with Mauer in a game.

Joe Mauer, in three-four years…will he be a fulltime catcher? Will he be a third baseman that also catches. Will he be a DH that also catches. Will Ramos be ready to step in and bat 200-300 times a season.

Also, in 3 years, the Twins will know if someone else is in the wings, too. Pinto? Rams? Hanvi? If they, or a new guy drafted, have near-Ramos potential, then Ramos becomes expendable.

Right now the question is the value of Morales? Is he valuable? Can the Twins live a season or two with a Butera or someone as the major league benchwarmer (bring back Redmond for a year?).

Morales is the one the Twins won’t need in the long-run, when he’s worth a million a year as an insignificant backup and bench guy for the team.

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by rosterman on Nov 2, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The main thing about Bonser is that he’ll almost certainly be competing for a spot in the bullpen. He wasn’t up for a rotation spot last year before he got hurt, he was going to be in the ’pen. With a mid-90s fastball and a good curve he could be a nice middle reliever. At the least he does definitely deserve a shot this spring.

by Twins Territory on Nov 1, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Bonser will almost certainly be competing for a bullpen spot, but if injuries and ineffectiveness run through the ‘10 starters, it would be nice to have someone with Bonser’s stuff and experience ready to move into the rotation.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 1, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The other names

Butera and Pridie are both 26. I think they have crossed from prospect to suspect. If somebody else wants them, they can have ‘em. Caveat—I’ve never seen Butera catch. If he is a total defensive wizard, the Twins might want to keep him around. From what I’ve seen in minor league box scores, he makes some errors and doesn’t throw all that well. It looks to me like Pridie isn’t even a 4-A player, his level is AAA. The Twins have better options on the way.

Humber—I don’t think he is a minor league free agent, so he can pitch at Rochester. He now looks like filler rather than somebody that can help a pennant contender.

Keppel—Certainly should be taken off the 40-man. Again if somebody wants him, they can have him (very similar to Brian Bass and Bobby Korecky). He can start the season again in Rochester. Perhaps he could get another shot with the Twins, perhaps with someone else.

Perkins—Does he have any options left? To me, it is a no-brainer to trade him. He isn’t happy with the organization and the organization isn’t happy with him. Someone will want him—he has pitched a number of very effective games and he is breathing and lefthanded.

Huber—I really don’t know. Maybe there is room for him on the Twins. He didn’t get a shot this fall due to the race and a pulled muscle. I guess I wouldn’t use up a roster position on him, but give him a chance to make the club as the 25th guy.

Buscher—Very telling that he had about 10 ABs after his recall from Rochester, especially given the long game and situations where Alexi Casilla and Nick Punto were allowed to bat in game situations. I think he is another who goes off the 40-man.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 1, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who else wants them......

Humber ahs been designed for assignment, essentially he can become a minor league free agent.

Bob Keppel…no need to keep a roster spot for him. An invite to spring training? Same with Huber. If either player can translate their 2009 into more money elsewhere, they have that right. I picture one or the other will be 40-manned and dropped if the Twins do a rule 5.

Harris is interesting. He’ll cost a million. Do you keep him and pay and risk losing Tolbert or Tolleson or Dinklelman or Singleton?

Perkins. Hummmm.

Remember, the Twins can offer arbitaration, if they wish, and trade the players. The msot someone can get cut is 20%. Boof, Perkins and Crain all deserve salary cust, but chances are slim to none that it would happen.

Bushcer will go the route of Joe Dillon and keep popping up for a couple of years.

Drew Butera would do good sticking with the Twins for at least one more season. Don’t see him going major elague anywhere else. Why the Twins didn’t bring him up in September for a looksee, I don’t know.

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by rosterman on Nov 2, 2009 12:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who else wants them ......

I believe if you add a player to the 40-man roster, he has to stay on it for a designated period. You can’t drop him to make room for a Rule 5 draftee.

by East Coast Twin on Nov 2, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the rule is.......

You can’t drop anyone from the 40-man that is added once the season ends and before rosters are frozen. You can drop someone if they were already on the 40-man (the Twins did that last season with Randy Ruiz). Of course, you might end up losing the guy as a free agent or a roster claim.

Also, once a player is added to the 40-man, he can be claimed by another team, who must keep him on their won 40-man. Is that right? Ofr they risk losing him, yet again (shades of Mike restovich and J.D. Durbin in the past).

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by rosterman on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Harris

If you don’t keep him you’re stuck with Tolbert as the starter at 3B. If you find something better he’ll get picked up on waivers. 1st year arb guys who hit .700 OPS aren’t making a ton of $$.

Actually I think they offer arb to everyone mentioned. They didn’t drop Ortiz until his 2nd year of arb. Bonser isn’t going to be expensive in arb – an ERA > 5 and coming off an injury. Crain looked good at the end of the year, probably a trade candidate but not a non-tender.

I think they outright Pridie and Butera, they’re sub-replacement players. Humber should be pitching for the Saints soon.

by DJL44 on Nov 2, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Harris should be non-tendered...

because he takes up valuable roster space and is not even as good a player as Tolbert. The future is Danny Valencia, I believe, and Harris is a fallback. The question to ask when evaluating Harris is whether he can help in the middle infield. I just don’t think that he can play good enough defense to help the club there.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 2, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t think Harris brings enough to the table to justify paying him $1 million plus.

by Jesse on Nov 2, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We have five guys with Harris's bat or better and better upside

Valencia, Tolleson, Dinkelman, Hughes, Singelton

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by cmathewson on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not according to the ZIPS projections

Player OPS+
Harris 90
Buscher 91
Tolbert 77
Hughes 76
Valencia 76
Tolleson 74

Harris plays an average 3B and has a career batting line of .267 .324 .396 for a 93 OPS+. There’s no reason to think he can’t do that again and that’s worth $1M when you can’t say that with any certainty about anyone else.

by DJL44 on Nov 2, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ultimately I do think that is what will happen.

If the Twins don’t find a vet to bring in, a Harris/Buscher platoon is once again a likely option.

by Jesse on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That should increase the projection, then

I guess I don’t know the specifics of how ZiPS works, but I would assume that the projection doesn’t account for a player being almost exclusively platooned – I’d guess that hitting Harris only against lefties and Buscher only against righties would pull both their numbers up a fair amount.

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by BeefMaster on Nov 2, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think.....

the Buscher-era is done. I don’t see the Twins protecting him.

Again, is Harris worth a million…would you say Tolbert/Hughes is equal?

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by rosterman on Nov 2, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tolbert

That is the question. Tolbert and/or Harris. Do you need both? Do you sacrifice Tolleson, Singleton or even Dinkelman?

Harris wil be due a million. But the bigger question is — his roster spot. Sadly, if the Twins don’t offer him, they really can’t resign him for anything less than 20% of his 2009 salary, while another team can sign him for anything above or below (shades of David Ortiz…if the Twins culd’ve paid Ortiz what the Red Sox paid him, they would’ve probably kept him…but this abseball union thing and salary and such…..)

The Twins need to keep Plouffe and Valencia. Then they have to decide between Buscher, Harris, Tolbert (wish it was Punto), Casilla, Tolleson, Dinkelman, Hughes, Singleton…wow, a lot of average names there and I’m sure you could replace basically everyone of them with a comperable minor league free agent from anotehr team. The only reason to keep Harris is to still make the Rays trade look suitable.

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by rosterman on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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