Top Twenty Prospects
For the first time, I have compiled my Top Twenty Prospects. Unlike most prospect rankings, these prospects are not ranked one thru twenty. Rather, they are twenty players who I believe have the highest ceilings in the organization. That doesn't mean they all will make it to the Twins or another major league club, they won't. Others will make it but not become regular starters and certainly not stars. It also doesn't mean that there aren't others in the organization who may become stars, as I suspect a few will.
Rather than ranking them one through twenty, I will list these twenty players by position beginning with the player who has reached the highest level in the organization followed by next highest, etc. These twenty, in my opinion, all have the potential to become stars at the major league level. That is a number one or two starter, closer or multiple year all-star. The age listed for each player was their age as of the end of this past season.
My group consists of seven starting pitchers, four relievers, one catcher, three infielders and five outfielders. Following is my Top 20, beginning with the starting pitchers.
Carlos Gutierrez
Gutierrez was acquired by the Twins in the first round (27th pick overall) in the 2008 draft. Gutierrez, 22, is a native of Miami, Florida and played for the University of Miami. Gutierrez, who had major arm surgery during college, was the Hurricane's closer and was used in a relief role at Ft. Myers following the draft to limit his innings. This past season, he was one of the best pitchers in the FSL prior to the all-star break and his promotion to New Britain. While at New Britain, the innings took a toll on his arm with the Twins moving him back to the bullpen late in the year. Yet, the Twins appear determined to keep him as a starter.
Gutierrez should begin the 2010 season back at New Britain, with his arrival in Minnesota late in 2011 or 2012.
2009 Ft. Myers 2-3 11g 10gs 54.2ip 1.32 ERA 1.08 WHIP 33K/22BB
2009 New Britain 1-3 22g 6gs 52.1ip 6.19 ERA 1.64 WHIP 32K/24BB
David Bromberg
Bromberg was acquired in the 32nd round of the 2005 draft. Bromberg, 21, is a Los Angeles native who was drafted as a draft and follow after one year at Santa Ana Junior College. Bromberg had a 9-10 record with a 4.44 ERA at Beloit in 2008. While at Beloit, he had 177 strikeouts in 150.0 innings which was more strikeouts than any other minor league pitcher. This past season, Bromberg was the Twins Pitcher of the Year and the FSL Pitcher of the Year. Bromberg finished his season with the Miracle with the most strikeouts of any pitcher in the FSL, the second most wins in the league, the fourth best ERA and the ninth best WHIP.
Bromberg should move up to New Britain next spring. Assuming he meets the challenge in AA, look for Bromberg to join the Twins sometime in 2011.
2009 Ft. Myers 13-4 27g 26gs 153.1ip 2.70 ERA 1.23 WHIP 148K/63BB
B.J. Hermsen
Hermsen was drafted by the Twins in the sixth round of the 2008 draft. Hermsen, 19, is a Manchester, Iowa native who was signed shortly before the August deadline following his Iowa High School summer league. Hermsen, who began his professional career last fall in the Instructional League, was assigned to the GCL Twins this spring. Hermsen finished his rookie season with the Gulf Coast League's best WHIP and third best ERA.
Hermsen should move up to Elizabethton next spring, yet a strong spring training could get him a spot with Beloit. The earliest he could make it to the Twins is sometime in 2013.
2009 GCL Twins 6-2 10g 10gs 53.1ip 1.35 ERA 0.68 WHIP 42K/4BB
Adrian Salcedo
Salcedo was signed as a free agent by the Twins in November, 2007. Salcedo, 18, is a native of Moca, Dominican Republic who moved onto the Twins radar with a stellar 2008 DSL season when he had a 4-4 record with a 1.65 ERA and 50K/8BB in 65.1 innings. Salcedo joined Hermsen as one of the top pitchers in the GCL this past summer where he had the league's fifth most innings pitched, seventh best ERA, third most strikeouts, seventh best ERA, eighth best WHIP and an incredibly low three walks (0.44 walks/9 innings). Scouts who have seen him pitch have indicated that he may have the highest upside of all the young pitchers in the lower levels of the organization.
Salcedo is very young, thus he will likely move up to Elizabethton next spring with his earliest promotion to the Twins also sometime in 2013.
2009 GCL Twins 3-2 11g 10gs 61.2ip 1.46 ERA 1.01 WHIP 58K/3BB
Shooter Hunt
Hunt was drafted by the Twins with a first round sandwich pick in the 2008 draft. Hunt, 23, is a native of Westwood, New Jersey who pitched collegiately for Tulane University. Prior to the draft, Hunt was considered a top prospect who dropped to the Twins because of concerns with his control. He was promoted to Beloit early in his rookie season where concerns about his control became an issue. This past season, Hunt, began back at Beloit where the number of walks, hit batters and wild pitches caused the Twins to send him down to the GCL when their season began. Control issues continued, causing the Twins to place Hunt on the DL while he deals with whatever psychological issues he must conquer. Hunt's selection in the Top 20 is a reach, yet, this young man continues to have the ability to be a front line pitcher if he can come to grips with whatever is causing him to not be able to throw the ball over the plate.
Hunt could begin the 2010 season anywhere from Ft. Myers to the Disabled List. Assuming he can put his problems behind him, Hunt could be with the Twins as early as sometime late in 2012.
2009 Beloit 0-1 7g 5gs 17.2ip 10.70 ERA 2.72 WHIP 18K/33BB
2009 GCL 0-4 7g 5gs 15.0ip 9.60 ERA 2.33 WHIP 8K/25BB
Cesar Ciurcina
Ciurcina was signed as a free agent in August, 2007. Ciurcina, 18, is a native of Caracas, Venezuela who had a wonderful rookie season in the DSL in 2008 when he had a 3-2 record with a 3.68 ERA. This past season, Ciurcina put his name on the Twins prospect list with a season similar to or better than Adrian Salcedo had his last season with the DSL Twins. Ciurcina had the league's best WHIP, eighth best ERA and eighth most innings pitched. With many of the pitchers ahead of Ciurcina in league stats a year older, indications are that Ciurcina could be the pitcher for the GCL Twins in 2010 that Salcedo was this past year.
Ciurcina should move up to the GCL Twins next spring with his earliest trip to the Twins in 2014 or 2015.
2009 DSL Twins 9-2 15g 13gs 84.0ip 1.39 ERA 0.69 WHIP 72K/8BB
Kyle Gibson
Gibson was drafted by the Twins with their first round pick (22nd overall) this past June. Gibson, 21, was drafted out of the University of Missouri where he was considered by many to be a Top 5 pick prior to a stress fracture in his right forearm. Because of the injury, Gibson dropped to the Twins and they were able to sign him hours before the August deadline when they split the difference between the dollars slotted for a 22nd pick and what he would have received for being a Top 10 selection. Gibson completed his summer rehabbing his injury before joining the Twins Fall Instructional League in September. Reports from Ft. Myers indicate that as the short fall camp ended, Gibson was everything the Twins hoped he was when drafted.
Gibson will make his professional debut next spring in either Beloit of Ft. Myers. He certainly has Ace potential and the Twins will have him on the fast track once they have confirmed all injury concerns are behind him. Look for Gibson to join the Twins as early as late, 2011.
The relief pitchers included in the Top 20 include:
Slama was drafted by the Twins in the 39th round of the 2006 draft. Slama, 25, is a native of Orange, California who was drafted while at the University of San Diego. Slama showed that he had star potential beginning with his brief stay at Elizabethton following the draft. In 2008, Slama had a 4-1 record with a 1.01 ERA and 25 saves for the Ft. Myers Miracle to earn the 2008 Jim Rantz award as the Twins Minor League Pitcher of the Year. This past season, Slama led the Eastern League with 25 saves with his 29 saves more than any other pitcher in the minor league system. Slama didn't allow an earned run in nine of his eleven appearances, yet, his ERA is a bit misleading because of one outing when he allowed five of his six earned runs with the Red Wings.
Slama will begin his season next spring back with the Red Wings before joining the Twins sometime during the 2010 season.
2009 New Britain 4-2 51g 65.1ip 25 saves 2.48 ERA 1.19 WHIP 93K/32BB
2009 Rochester 0-2 11g 15.2ip 4 saves 3.45 ERA 1.21 WHIP 19K/8BB
Burnett was drafted by the Twins in the 12th round of the 2005 draft. Burnett, 22, is a native of Anaheim, California who was drafted out of Ocean View High School. Burnett, who had been one of the organizations brightest young starters, was converted to a short reliever in the 2008 Fall Instructional League following a season when he was one of the Miracle's starters with an 8-6 record and 3.76 ERA in 143.2 innings. Burnett returned to Ft. Myers in 2009, however, as a short reliever. He earned a mid-season promotion to New Britain and rather than struggling when exposed to AA hitters, Burnett excelled. Burnett, who was ranked as my top pitcher in the organization, is definitely a pitcher with the potential to be a future Twins closer.
Burnett will likely begin the season back at New Britain with a move up to Rochester tied to whenever the Twins need to bring a reliever (likely Slama) up to the big club. Look for Slama to join the Twins in 2011 if not as a September callup next season.
2009 Ft. Myers 2-1 18g 22.2ip 4 saves 1.99 ERA 0.93 WHIP 26K/7BB
2009 New Britain 1-2 40g 55.1ip 9 saves 1.79 ERA 0.99 WHIP 52K/19BB
Billy Bullock
Bullock was drafted by the Twins in the second round of the 2009 draft. Bullock, 21, gained attention as a top prospect while pitching in the 2008 Cape Cod League. Like Gibson, Bullock dropped to the Twins because of health concerns during his 2009 college season. Bullock is a hard throwing reliever who began his professional career with a brief stay in Elizabethton prior to a promotion to Beloit.
Look for Bullock to also move quickly through the system beginning at Ft. Myers next spring. He should make his Twins debut sometime after September, 2011.
2009 Elizabethton 1-0 7g 7.1ip 3 saves 1.23 ERA 0.55 WHIP 10K/1BB
2009 Beloit 3-0 26g 26.1ip 8 saves 2.73 ERA 1.41 WHIP 35K/12BB
Andrey Lobanov
Lobanov was signed as a non-drafted free agent in August, 2007. Lobanov, 19, is a native of Moscow, Russia who made his professional debut with the GCL Twins in 2008 when he had a 3-1 record and 3.54 ERA in 20.1 innings. As one would expect of someone with limited baseball experience, this young lefty returned to the GCL Twins this past season where he was nearly perfect as the Twins closer. Any pitcher with a Dominance Ratio of 2.333 must be considered a future star, even one pitching in the lowest rookie league with a limited baseball background.
Lobanov should move up to Elizabethton next spring with his earliest appearance in a Twins uniform sometime in 2014.
2009 GCL Twins 2-1 15g 22.0ip 7 saves 0.82 ERA 0.68 WHIP 35K/1BB
There is one catcher amongst the Top Twenty:
Wilson Ramos was signed by the Twins as a free agent in July, 2004. Ramos, 22, had a breakout season after joining the Beloit Snappers out of EST early in their 2007 season when he was the Snappers best hitter the last half of the season. Ramos went on to become one of the Miracle's top hitters the following season when he was a FSL post season all-star. His star began to glow this past winter when he was one of the Caribbean Champion Aragua Tigres best players throughout the winter before being named the Caribbean Championship Series MVP. Ramos began his 2009 season on fire at New Britain before a series of injuries (broken finger followed by hamstring injury) caused him to miss much of the 2009 season. He did finish the season with the highest average of any Rock Cat player and is again leading the Aragua Tigres in hitting (.351/.417/.597) where he currently has the sixth best average, second best slugging percentage and fourth most home runs in the VWL. Ramos, who has one of the best arms of any catcher in minor league baseball, should become a premium defensive catcher. If I were ranking players 1-20, Ramos would be the number one ranked prospect in the organization.
Look for Ramos to begin his season in Rochester and join the Twins by September, 2010 at the latest.
2009 New Britain 205 ab .317/.341/.454 31 Runs 29 RBI 16-2B 4 HR 0 SB
Three Infielders:
Chris Parmalee (first base/right field)
Parmalee was drafted by the Twins in the first round (20th overall) of the 2006 draft. Parmalee, 21, was considered one of the top power hitters in the draft when the Long Beach, California native was drafted out of Chino Hills High School. The Twins moved Parmalee up to Beloit in 2007 with a return to the Snappers in 2008 where he was a league leader in home runs when he went on the disabled list in early summer with a broken hand. This past season Parmalee was again one of the top power hitters in the FSL where he had the third most home runs and second most RBI while tying for the league lead with 65 walks.
Parmalee should move up to New Britain next spring with an appearance with the Twins sometime in 2011.
2009 Ft. Myers 422 ab .258/.359/.441 61 Runs 73 RBI 27-2B 16 HR 2 SB
Wander Guillen (third base)
Guillen joined the DSL Twins this past July when he was sixteen years old. Guillen immediately became one of the top hitters on the team as he finished with the team's top average while tying with outfielder Romy Trinidad for the team's best on base percentage. Had he had enough at bats to qualify, Guillen would have been amongst the league's five best averages and on base percentages.
Because he will be only 17 years old, Guillen could return to the DSL next spring although it is more likely he will move to Florida with the GCL Twins.
2009 DSL Twins 110 ab .336/.443/.409 15 Runs 19 RBI 3-2B 1 HR 2 SB
Miguel Jean (shortstop)
Miguel Jean (fka Miguel Angel Sano) may be the most talked about Twins signing in a long time...or ever! Jean, who appears to be 16 years old was signed by the Twins, however, the signing was put on hold by major league baseball while they and the Twins completed an extensive investigation to confirm that this brilliant young prospect was sixteen. In September the league finally ruled that they were unable to prove he wasn't and the Twins announced they had signed the young star to a contract with a reported $3,150,000 signing bonus.
The Twins have indicated that Jean will begin his professional career as a seventeen year old with the GCL Twins. If he is the star everyone expects, Jean should move rapidly through the system and could join the Twins as early as 2013.
Five outfielders:
Tosoni was drafted by the Twins in the 34th round of the 2004 draft and again in the 35th round of the 2005 draft. Tosoni, 23, is a native of British Columbia (he was born in Toronto, Ontario) who was drafted a second time out of Chipola Junior College. Tosoni didn't sign with the Twins until 2006 and didn't make his professional debut until 2007 when he immediately became a player to watch following a season at Elizabethton when he hit .301/.407/.428. Tosoni played a few games in the playoffs with Beloit late in the 2007 season before skipping Beloit and moving directly to Ft. Myers in 2008. Tosoni broke a foot and missed much of the 2008 season, yet finished as one of their top hitters at .300/.408/.414 in only 140 at bats. In an organization known to move prospects slowly, the Twins promoted Tosoni to AA New Britain this spring after only 44 games higher than rookie league ball. As one would expect, Tosoni struggled the first few months before making the necessary adjustments to finish amongst the team leaders in home runs and doubles with the most RBI. Tosoni left the Rock Cats early to participate in the World Cup where he was one of Canada's top hitters before moving on to the Arizona Fall League. A highlite of this season was his appearance as the Twins only representative in the Futures All-Star game.
Tosoni should begin 2010 at Rochester with a callup to the Twins in 2011, if not sooner.
2009 New Britain 425 ab .271/.360/.454 64 Runs 71 RBI 25-2B 15 HR 8 SB
Ben Revere
Revere was the Twins first round pick (28th overall) in the 2007 draft. Revere, 21, is a native of Atlanta, Georgia who was drafted out of Lexington, Kentucky Catholic High School. Although many questioned the Twins intent or judgement when he was drafted, Revere had an excellent rookie season with the GCL Twins. It was at Beloit in 2008, however, when Revere broke into the spotlight as a future star. He flirted with a .400 aveage all season until a knee injury hampered his play in early August before going on the DL the last few weeks of the season. Revere finished his 2008 season hitting .379/.433/.497 in 340 at bats with 44 stolen bases. Revere was nearly as good this past year at Ft. Myers where he missed leading the league in hitting by .002 with the league's most hits (145), third most runs scored, third most steals and fourth best OBP. Revere was selected by the Twins as their 2009 Minor League Player of the Year and rated as my top hitter in the organization.
Revere will begin 2010 at New Britain and should see his first action with the Twins sometime during the 2011 season.
2009 Ft. Myers 466 ab .311/.372/.369 75 Runs 48 RBI 13-2B 2 HR 45 SB
Angel Morales
The Twins selected Morales in the third round of the 2007 draft. Morales, 19, is a native of Puerto Rico who was drafted out of the Puerto Rico Baseball Academy High School. When drafted, there were some who said that Morales was the finest prospect to come out of Puerto Rico since Carlos Beltran. Morales had a huge season for the Elizabethton Twins in 2008 when he led the league in several categories. He moved up to Beloit this past season where he struggled for a month or two. He did make the necessary adjustments to finish as the team leader in triples, home runs, RBI and stolen bases. People who have seen him play alot say that the ball explodes off his bat. The one criticism is that he strikes out to often, yet that is one area of his game that did improve as his strikeout rate dropped to 27.7% this past season following a 39.3% strikeout rate at Elizabethton in 2008.
A five tool player who can play all three outfield positions, look for Morales to be a corner outfielder when he makes it to the Twins sometime late in 2012 or 2013. Morales, who didn't turn 20 until last week, should play his entire 2010 season in Ft. Myers.
2009 Beloit 376 ab .266/.329/.455 63 Runs 62 RBI 22-2B 13 HR 19 SB
Aaron Hicks
Hicks was the Twins first round selection in the 2008 draft. Hicks, 19, is a native of San Pedro, California who was drafted by the Twins out of Woodrow Wilson High School. Hicks had an excellent rookie season with the GCL Twins following which Baseball America named him the GCL Top Prospect. Hicks began this season in EST while working on several aspects of his game. He eventually joined the Beloit Snappers where he performed well enough for Baseball America to again name him the Number One Prospect in the Midwest League.
Although Hicks could return to Beloit for the start of next season, he will certainly finish his season in Ft. Myers. Hicks is another five tool prospect who should progress to the Twins sometime in 2012 or 2013.
2009 Beloit 251 ab .251/.353/.382 43 Runs 29 RBI 15-2B 4 HR 10 SB
Max Kepler-Rozycki
Max Kepler was signed by the Twins this past summer. Many have called this young star the finest position player ever signed from Germany. Much has been written about his signing and about his parents who both are amongst the finest ballerinas in the world. Kepler, 16, has already moved with his mother to Ft. Myers where he participated in the Fall Instructional League while attending high school a few blocks from Hammond Field. This tall young outfielder is gifted with exceptional speed and a body that should fill out so that he will have that special combination of speed and power.
Kepler-Rozycki will begin his professional career next spring with the GCL Twins.
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Overall System
I can’t see why some fans think the Twins system is “close to barren” or below average. Reading this makes you think that the Twins system is better than it’s been in a while, and that they have one of the better farm systems in baseball.
by TwinkieBaseball on Nov 29, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Twinkie...
….although I agree with you, there is one clear area of concern. There are only three infielders amongst these 20. One is a first baseman/right fielder/DH while the other two have yet to play a single game in rookie ball.
Sorry about the pitcher stat lines everyone, have been unable to do anything to get the first club’s WHIP and K/BB on the same line.
by roger13 on Nov 29, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I really like the Twins system overall but our lack of solid MI even at the major league level is concerning. That’s why I’d love to see the Twins make another move to bring someone in on a 2-4 year deal and push for an extension for Hardy.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Nov 29, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not terrible
but it’s certainly not great.
http://twinkietalk.com
http://thecollegehockeyblog.com
by fetch9 on Nov 29, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It should look better next year
after Miguel Angel Sano logs some time in the system.
by ckb on Nov 29, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, his new name threw me off
Damnit, I need to stay caught up
by ckb on Nov 29, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when did his name legally change ?
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 30, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he did not
legally change his name. Jean is his fathers last name so when he moved to the US, he picked it up (which he said he would do way back in June.)
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
by 33MorneauMVP on Nov 30, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorta like the David Arias/Ortiz thing
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Nov 30, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
by 33MorneauMVP on Nov 30, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball America rating
Twins minor league system is in the 6-15 range. Washington is down at the bottom.
by DJL44 on Dec 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a young system
It will be interesting to watch the left side of the GCL Twins infield next season with Guillen, Jean, and Jorge Polanco. Before the Twins signed Jean, Polanco was the best Latin prospect they have ever signed, and I would put him in my top 20 upside list. Also with Kepler, Salcedo, and Ciurcina, that’s six outstanding prospects under 20. Add Hicks, Morales, and Guerra and you have 9 of my top 20 prospects all 20 and younger.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Nov 29, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Polanco has gotten lost as the Twins signed Jean...
…will having three for ss/3b in the GCL next year keep one in the DSL? Polanco or Guillen? Or do they move one to second base? With Jean’s size, does he go to third with Guillen moving to second and Polanco at short. Isn’t a great year for a young high school shortstop picked in the 2010 draft!
by roger13 on Nov 29, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cmath...
…I had Polanco in the Top Twenty until yesterday, when I replaced him with Hunt. Just don’t know what to do with someone with Hunt’s upside. Next year will be a make or break year for Hunt and I agree that I will be amazed to not see Polanco in most Top Twenty’s a year from now.
by roger13 on Nov 29, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Polanco
I already put Polanco in my top 20. http://twinkiebaseball.blogspot.com/2009/11/top-50-twins-prospects-19-jorge-polanco.html I think he’s one of the most overlooked prospects in the system. But that should change once he actually plays for the GCL Twins…
My guess for the GCL infield is that Sano will play second, with Polanco at short, and Guillen at third. But who knows. It will definitely be the most interesting infield in the Twins minor league system!
by TwinkieBaseball on Nov 29, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Polanco
May not be a guy who will be too high on prospect lists. Everything I’ve heard about him indicates an incredible glove and arm, but a bat that isn’t catching up. So, my guess is that he won’t become a big-time prospect, at least not until he grows and hits more… but again, since he hasn’t played a single game, who knows?
by SethSpeaks on Nov 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, perhaps he'll start in the DSL this year.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Nov 30, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the guys in the lower minors usually have the higher ceilings...
It’d be interesting to see a list of top ten prospects who could contribute in 2010. I don’t think we have any ROY candidates, but guys will get called up next year for one reason or another.
by DavidRF on Nov 29, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only candidate I see that could be a ROY...
…is a scenario none of us want to consider. If something should happen to Joe Mauer early in the season, I expect the Twins would call up Ramos who would then get the majority of the playing time. Ramos has the ability to be a ROY, although it is unlikely as he will probably not get regular playing time at catcher when he does come up full-time in 2011.
by roger13 on Nov 29, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I guess Revere's not yet 20 either. So that's 10 out of 20
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Nov 29, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, I must have read the wrong date. I have 5/1989
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Nov 30, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hunt is finished. No one ever recovers from Steve Blass disease.
Lobanov is not a top prospect- he just doesn’t throw hard enough (mid 80s). He has the frame to add velocity, but until he does that his prospect status is fringy.
by drivlikejehu on Nov 29, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a bit harsh, don't you think?
Maybe you should change your screen name to Buzzkill or Mr. Party Pooper.
by benhertz on Dec 1, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Valencia and Guerra
Roger13, how close did Valencia and Guerra come to making this list, or were they never considered?
by TwinkieBaseball on Nov 29, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My mistake...
…I totally blew it by omitting Valencia. He is certainly a top 20 prospect. All I can say is that my old brain went to sleep and was already considering him part of the Twins. Sorry Danny, you certainly belong on this list. The player dropping off the list would be Shooter Hunt.
by roger13 on Nov 29, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Valencia
I was about ready to criticize that choice and I see you have already taken care of that. I fully expect Valencia to be the Twins’ regular 3B by Memorial Day.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 29, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tosoni
I don’t see much of a future for a guy who can’t hit AA lefties. With short benches and long bullpens, ther aren’t many platoon corner OFs. I know he isn’t currently in the organization, but I think Winfree (if he re-signs) is a better prospect than Tosoni.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 29, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This was Tosoni's first full season higher than rookie ball...
…when you consider how little he has played, I see him as a player who will get better hitting lefties as he gains more experience.
by roger13 on Nov 30, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
vs. Lefties
It’s possible, but he’s not like he’s young for AA… Having seen him in a few ABs against lefties, he has to improve a TON… He may be a platoon player, but at least he’s the lefty-bat of a platoon situation so he would get more ABs.
by SethSpeaks on Nov 30, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's be fair
To be fair to Rene Tosoni…..I believe that it was reported by Seth that he can’t hit lefties with Seth seeing one AZ Fall League game. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’ve never heard that from anyone else. I think we should let the record speak for itself – Twins fast tracking him, Futures All Star, World Cup, AZ Fall League. I’ll bet ‘ya he’s hit a lefty or two.
by ComeOnBlue on Nov 30, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say
You don’t get an OPS of over 800 playing everyday if you “can’t hit lefties”. I’d have to look at the game logs because you can’t get minor league splits. But he’d have to bat .500 against righties to get that kind of line if he never hit lefties.
It was probably a particularly tough lefty.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Nov 30, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tosoni vs LHP
In 2009 at AA, he hit .183/.285/.302 against lefties in 134 plate appearances. I actually didn’t realize that his Isolated Discipline was over .100, so that is very good, and something to give some hope.
Actually, over the last three years, he has hit .231/.346/.343 in 260 plate appearances against lefties, so a very strong Isolated Discipline. actually impressive. Just loses power.
And yes, I fully understand that two plate appearances against lefties in the AFL are meaningless, just as I believe that you need more than 260 plate appearances against lefties before we can say anything too definitive.
by SethSpeaks on Nov 30, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minorleaguesplits.com
Great site for splits. I was gonna post ’em but Seth beat me to it.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Nov 30, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Revere
When I see Revere’s stat lines, I keep thinking Juan Pierre. Am I misguided, or is he going to develop power and extra base sock.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 29, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Comp
I’d say that’s a pretty fair comparison at this point. Twins keep saying the pop will come, but I don’t know about that.
by SethSpeaks on Nov 30, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer
The Twins braintrust also always also assured us that Mauer would eventually hit for power, and that’s never….wait, he hit 28 homers this year and slugged .587? Maybe they know what they’re talking about after all.
by wcooley on Nov 30, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer is 6-5, 230 Revere is 5-9 165
Name the last 5-9 165 player who hit for power.
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by cmathewson on Nov 30, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Wynn
Puckett wasn’t big either at that age. Matt Stairs came up around that weight.
by DJL44 on Nov 30, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Power
is a relative thing. If Revere hit 10 per year I would call that good power from his frame and position.
Ray Durham hit 192 home runs at 5’9" 170 lbs. Yogi Berra was heavier, but at 5’8" hit 358 homers. Joe Morgan was 5’7" 160 lbs and crushed 268.
by wcooley on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre
For the first 6 years of his career Pierre alternated between being a borderline all-star and an average regular. He averaged 3WAR. Ben Revere can be very valuable without developing any power. If he develops10-15 HR power he has a Kenny Lofton ceiling.
Here’s what John Sickles has to say: Ben Revere, OF, Grade B: Kenny Lofton ceiling, Juan Pierre midpoint, Joey Gathright basement.
by Jon Kammerer on Nov 29, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good Post Roger
Especially, after seeing Valencia would be on here over Shooter Hunt
if he starts off 2010 at AAA Rochester and not on the Minnesota Twins….
Question for Jesse, C-Math, Roger, Seth, Adam and the likes-
when will we do our Twinkie Town top 50 Twins prospects polling for 2010?
would it start off with something like Who is Prospect #1 or who is Prosect # 50 ?
and then work downwards or upwards from there? -and also do we have 4 names in each poll? – or what?
If so, I nominate Aaron Hicks, Ben Revere, Kyle Gibson, and Miguel Jean for Prospect #1…..
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 30, 2009 12:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
poll...
I’ve been meaning to do that, and I can start it soon… My life/schedule is a bit overwhelming at this point, but I’ll just be sure to updateit once a day or so. It will start with #1 and work its way up.
by SethSpeaks on Nov 30, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not?
I don’t know how to do a poll on this system. Something changed. I click on Attach Poll (or whatever that is) and it does nothing… so, I may need a tutorial from someone before I’d start a top prospect list.
by SethSpeaks on Nov 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
De Los Santos
I am wondering why I don’t see the latest addition to our 40 man roster?
by clutterheart on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mauer
It would not let me reply directly to wcooley above, so here is my response to:
“The Twins braintrust also always also assured us that Mauer would eventually hit for power, and that’s never….wait, he hit 28 homers this year and slugged .587? Maybe they know what they’re talking about after all.”
That is a fair point, to be sure… however, Mauer is 6-6, 240 pounds… Revere is maybe 5-6 and 175 pounds. Now, maybe he will add some power. I’d be thrilled if he could get to the 10-12 homer range. That would be great… in 2009, he didn’t have many 2B or 3B either, so that’s where my concern is.
by SethSpeaks on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doubles are a must
Downside is Jason Tyner if Revere can’t get the ball in the gap to the fence or down the line over the fence in RF.
by DJL44 on Nov 30, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should be better defensively than tyner, true centerfielder
Which would make him a passable player in the Bigs. People hear Juan Pierre and get concerned, but that is not a bad projection. Sickels statement makes him look like a premier prospect to me
Upside – Kenny Lofton – Hall of Famer
Midpoint – Juan Pierre – Above average regular throughout prime
Downside – Joey Gathright – passable regular, fringe starter
I don’t know about you, but that sounds pretty good to me. If your midpoint is an above average player throughout your cost controlled years, you are a pretty valuable asset.
by lookatthosetwins on Nov 30, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer is 6-6, 240 pounds
Wow. When did Mauer grow 2 inches and 20 lbs? At that size he’s almost outgrown the catcher position. That puts him at one of the biggest players in the league.
by Jayrome007 on Dec 1, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com
has him at:
HT: 6’5’’ WT: 225
by clutterheart on Dec 1, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was in the spring of '08
Someone mentioned that Mauer had grown another inch and was now 6’6". Looking at him stand next to Morneau, he is definitely a couple inches taller than Justin. I think 6’6" is about right.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Dec 1, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They look about the same height actually
Hard to tell from photos though.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 5, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Oh, how I wish…
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by fischean on Dec 5, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this above
but a smallish power hitter is hardly unheard of.
Ray Durham hit 192 home runs at 5’9" 170 lbs. Yogi Berra was heavier, but at 5’8" hit 358 homers. Joe Morgan was 5’7" 160 lbs and crushed 268.
And I wasn’t making a direct comparison between Mauer and Revere, of course, just saying that sometimes power comes with maturity and muscle.
by wcooley on Dec 1, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard that Revere is "improved"
As an outfielder. He doesn’t have a good arm either. So I guess, we’re talking about somebody lacking two tools (arm strength and power). If he can’t play center, then he really had better be able to both hit and steal bases.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 30, 2009 11:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
for what it's worth
Revere has crazy good total zone ratings. +22 runs/150 games in CF.
by Jon Kammerer on Dec 1, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Revere has improved...
…In 2008 he made 10 errors in 83 games at Beloit. This past season at Ft. Myers, he didn’t make a single error (-0-) in 121 games. He also had only 2 assists, however, he clearly was much improved as far as errors are concerned.
by roger13 on Dec 3, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many of his errors
in 2008 were fielding versus throwing?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a good question...
…Do you know of any place we could find out. In any case, he certainly showed some improvement…if nothing else hitting the cutoff man. With his speed, the one area I want to see him improve in AA next year is his success rate of stealing bases. Would love to see him get up to around 85% or so.
by roger13 on Dec 4, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see doubles
along with continued strong AVG/OBP. Steals are overrated, although I’d like to see a better success rate. I wonder how many times he was picked off…
by Adam Peterson on Dec 4, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shooter McGavern - I mean, Hunt
I don’t follow the Twins prospects as closely as some others, but how does a pitcher make your list with stats like these? I see those numbers and I want to see the guy cut, not promoted.
by Jayrome007 on Dec 1, 2009 12:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Numbers don't mean a ton that early
Obviously the walks are scary, but his ceiling is as high as any pitcher in the system.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 2, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hunt's stuff is below Gut, Gibson, Bullock, Tootle, and Guerra
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by cmathewson on Dec 3, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IF...!
If he can get his act together, he could be a surprise guy, if nothing else a bullpen middle-relief guy. Depends on how long the Twins want to stay with him.
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by rosterman on Dec 3, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In my annual ranking based on play in 2009...
…Hunt ranked last, #79. But prospect lists, including mine, is looking at those players with the highest ceilings. Which players in the organization can become stars? When Hunt came out of college as a high draft pick, people indicated that his stuff was as good as anyone. That pitching talent is still there. If he can conquer his problems, he could be as good as any pitching prospect we have with the exception of Kyle Gibson.
Hunt did come off this list when Valencia was added.
by roger13 on Dec 1, 2009 7:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hunt
I agree with most of your names. But I can’t say a kid has much upside if he doesn’t know where the ball is going, no matter how hard he throws. Control is a tool like velo or movement. If you have none of it, you don’t have much upside, imho.
For that reason, I’d say Polanco or Valencia should take his place. Other candidates include Stuifbergen, Dozier, Benson, McCallum, Tootles, Rams, and Van Mill.
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by cmathewson on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the criteria
“Which players in the organization can become stars?” Simple enough way of defining the parameters. It seems, however, that the list should than be variable each year. Maybe you keep Hunter on the list and add Benson and a couple others this year. Two or three years ago the list would have been less than twenty.
LEN III’s latest has some nice quotes from Jake Mauer about Salcedo and Kibson. Nice to have a couple of true ‘ace’ type prospects. I would imagine Gibson, regardless of where he pitches, is already way up the depth chart. Also read that Neshek pitched a simulated game to Kepler. LEN also mentioned a guy named Soliman (sic?) who has been converted to pitching—raw, but good.
The Enthuso-meter for Bromberg has always seemed a bit tepid to me—at most he’s registered a 7 or so, despite the numbers. In other words, people like him well enough an all, but I haven’t seen anyone placing him in any category better than another Swarzak/Duensing/Blackburn kind of guy. Is that what he is as far as comparables? Are better players going to eat up his fastball or something?
by Han Joelo on Dec 1, 2009 8:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bromberg
I wouldn’t call it tepid. – But you are right its not boiling – He was named Minor Leauge Pitcher of the year and has been named as one of the best pitching prospects in what ever leauge he is in.
His strikeout numbers are amazing but it sounds like he gives up a lot of hits. I am excited for him to face some real hitters at AA so we can see where he is at.
also:
Swarzak/Duensing/Blackbun??
Lumping Blackburn along with those guys is not giving “Blackie” enough credit. He could be a starter for any team in the leauge. Swarzak & Duensing, maybe not. I think he has the potential to win 15 games for the next 3-4 years.
by clutterheart on Dec 1, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I was more thinking back to “when they were prospects.” Blackburn is my favorite starter right now. Quintessential Twin. But even when he was the BA top prospect, people were pretty lukewarm on him. I guess I was wondering if Bromberg is the same type of guy—not really an ace type, but great intangibles and results.
by Han Joelo on Dec 1, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't lead three leagues in strikeouts with intangibles
Blackburn is a great story because he never struck a lot of guys out in his minor league career. His career k/9 is 5.6. Bromberg has always been a high K guy (8.7 career K/9).
The other main difference is that Blackburn was a CC guy who came to the Twins as a 20 year old. He then struggled through six years of minor league mediocrity, only putting it together in his last minor league year. The Twins didn’t even protect him for two years when he was eligible for the Rule 5 draft. He came out of nowhere to claim the top spot in the BA rankings as a 26 year old (which is why they were so controversial).
Bromberg was somehow eligible for the draft as a 17 year old and he came to the Twins as an 18 year old draft-and-follow. For a 21 year old to dominate the FSL the way he did, he has to be a much better prospect than Blackburn ever was. Bromberg’s been the best pitcher in his respective league the last three years. Blackburn was never the best pitcher in any league.
Blackburn’s also a great story because he was a draft-and-follow guy who was picked in the 30s, if memory serves. In that, Bromberg is similar (32nd round). Which reminds me: The Twins do a great job of signing sleepers in the late rounds. Not only do we have Blackburn, but, Valencia (19th round), Slama (39th round), Delaney (undrafted) and DeVries (also undrafted) will be key additions to this team. Of all those guys mentioned, Bromberg is the best prospect, though (Valencia is a close second).
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by cmathewson on Dec 1, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Twins miss the old "draft & follow"
…of which Bromberg was a very good one. The Twins did an excellent job of drafting young high school players in the mid-late rounds, then sign them the following spring. Several that come to mind include Bromberg (32nd round), Rene Tosoni (36), Michael Allen (13), Brian Kirwin (11) and as you mentioned, Blackburn.
As for Bromberg and his critics. As long as he keeps getting it done on the mound, eventually they are going to have to come around. With that said, next year is huge for Bromberg as a lot of very good prospects struggle when they hit AA. I for one however, believe that Bromberg will be a success in AA and beyond.
by roger13 on Dec 1, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gibson
What does Gibson have that make people say he’s an Ace-type prospect? I’ve never seen him pitch. Is he mainly a strikeout pitcher or a control-type?
by drumbum2011 on Dec 1, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He was the second best pitcher in the draft.
He fell to the Twins because of a stress fracture. He has three very good pitches and great control. He should move fast.
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by cmathewson on Dec 1, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about 2nd
you can make good arguments for Matzek, Turner and Scheppers in my opinion.
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by fetch9 on Dec 1, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can make arguments for those guys, sure
I’m just talking about pre-draft rankings. He was rated number four over all and the second best pitcher by BA before the injury.
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by cmathewson on Dec 1, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gibson
I don’t know if he’s ever going to be a true Ace. His favorite pitcher to watch is Verlander. Gibson throws 91-93, and like cmat said, three good pitches and good control. The injury isn’t a concern, for me at least… I think he’s pretty similar to Scott Baker, give or take… and that is pretty good, and he should move pretty quick, like Baker did.
by SethSpeaks on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better than Baker
This was a good year for college pitchers, and he was a consensus top five pitcher before he hurt his wrist. Baker was a second tier guy coming out of college, and a second-round pick. He was not even in the top 15 of pitchers prior to the draft. So Gibson is a cut above Baker.
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by cmathewson on Dec 1, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comp
I’ve read reports on his pitches, velocity, etc, and although I obviously don’t know ,the reports just look a lot like Baker. And in comparing him to Baker, I see that as a huge positive. Baker’s first full season, he started at Ft. Myers and ended in Rochester. I can see Gibson doing the same thing.
Gibson is a terrific person, and seems to get it (how to pitch, how to communicate), the total package. Gibson’s taller, even lankier and can certainly develop. I’m not at all worried about the stress fracture. I think Gibson will be a good one.
by SethSpeaks on Dec 5, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you see him starting next year?
Beloit with a possible move to Ft. Myers?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 6, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll start in Ft. Myers.
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by cmathewson on Dec 6, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's where Gutierrez started
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by cmathewson on Dec 6, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere I heard this.
I don’t follow college baseball much at all but I had heard from somebody that before this season people actually argued who was better between Strasburg and Gibson. I have no idea if this is true or who the “people” were but it does sound like we got a top 5-10 player at a great value in Gibson. Hopefully he turns out.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Dec 2, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
there was no such argument. It was
Strasburg
everyone else.
And it was a pretty weak college pitching class last year.
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by fetch9 on Dec 2, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty weak college pitching class?
by whose standards? Gibson, Strasburg, Matzek, Turner, Scheppers, and many more.
Hardly a weak class of pitching….
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by 33MorneauMVP on Dec 2, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
matzek, turner and scheppers all weren't college players
Every guy other than Strasburg has major questions. Gibson (injury) Arnett (lack of quality competition) Oliver (makeup issues) Paxton (penchant for awful starts) etc.
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by fetch9 on Dec 2, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the class was outstanding in terms High School Arms...
Jacob Turner
Zachary (Zealous) Wheeler
Tyler Matzek
Tyler Skaggs
Chad James ( I believe he was a non-college arm)
But don’t forget Drew Storen and Matthew Bashore as college arms… Bullock and Tootle as well.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 3, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
storen was a college reliever
He wouldn’t have been a top 2 round pick if the Nats didnt have to take a guy they knew they could sign.
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by fetch9 on Dec 3, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gibson has to prove to me that the stress fracture
was just that – A minor issue
I will not get overly excited about Kyle Gibson untill he proves he can pitch somewhere around 120-150+ innings in 2010 in A+ and maaaaaaaaybe AA ball before I start to buy the Gibson hype
And for those who suggest Gibson is our top prospect I don’t buy that either…
I see Gibson as a future #2 if all goes well and pretty similar value to what Scott Baker has for us right now.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 3, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Jake Mauer
He was throwing all his pitches at 100% in the Instructs. Mauer is quoted as saying he’s the best pitching prospect he’s seen in Fort Myers in some time. He’ll be fortunate to manage him in 2010, at least for part of the year.
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by cmathewson on Dec 3, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great upside
but I agree. For Gibson to be out top prospect, I’d have to see something in the pros. He could be my top prospect after 2010 though…
by Adam Peterson on Dec 4, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you say the same for Strasburg?
I think most analysts ranked him as the top Nats prospect before he even threw a pitch in the pros.
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by cmathewson on Dec 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Strasburg would immediately be #1 in this system, so there’s a line. Gibson is definitely right up there, but as far as prospects go, there’s a pretty good gap between Strasburg and Gibson.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 4, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but I thought your point was, you wanted to see pro experience before making a determination
The way I see it, they were the top two pitching prospects until June. Then Gibson got a stress fracture. So I really don’t see why you would need to see one pitch in the pros and give the other a free pass.
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by cmathewson on Dec 4, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Strasburg showed much more last year
With the sick dominating collegiate numbers. It’s just a matter of magnitude for me. I knock anyone down a bit if he hasn’t yet played pro ball (which Strasburg did in the AFL by the way), but Strasburg is a notch above. Like Price, Prior, Mauer, Griffey, etc.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 5, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care whether he is our top prospect or #20...
…What I do care about are the glowing reports from everyone that saw him in the Fall Instructional League. It sounds like he is everything the Twins hoped they were getting when they signed him for 50% more than the slotted amount. All indications are that this man could be the best starting pitcher the Twins have had since Johan Santana.
by roger13 on Dec 5, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
Thanks as well. I like the unranked top 20 list.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 4, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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