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Organization Review (Center fielders)

Although the top prospect in the organization probably is a catcher and the best power prospect a first baseman/corner outfielder, center field is clearly the top position in the organization.  Not only are the following Top Ten the strongest group of any position, the organization has two very good players capable of playing center field who were included with the corner outfielders...Joe Benson and Rene Tosoni

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The tenth ranked center fielder is a young man taken on the thirty-third round of this year's draft, Nick Freitas.  Freitas is a college selection who began his career with the GCL Twins where he hit a respectable .246/.336/.347 in 118 at bats.  Freitas, who stole 6 bases in 6 attempts, is my 70th ranked player.

Ranked ninth is Herbert Lara.  Lara moved up 15 spots in this year's ranking to 57th following a season at Elizabethton where he hit .218/.288/.240 in 147 at bats following his rookie season in 2008 with the GCL Twins where he hit .281/.329/.349 in 146 at bats.

The eighth ranked center fielder is a young man who shared playing time with Lara, Jonathan Goncalves.  Goncalves also moved up from the GCL Twins where he hit .261/.385/.330 in 88 at bats to rank #68 in 2008. This season, Goncalves hit .256/.303/.366 in 172 at bats to move up 12 spots to #56.

The seventh ranked center fielder was this year's DSL Twins lone position player who was an all-star.  Romy Trinidad would have been my 52nd ranked player had I included DSL players in the ranking.  Trinidad hit .312/.443/.363 in 157 at bats with 1 home run and 15 stolen bases in 20 attempts.  Trinidad, who turned 18 shortly before the DSL season began, should move up to the GCL next spring.

The top hitter early this season for the GCL Twins was Wang-Wei Lin who was hitting .364/.432/.545 in 33 at bats when he went down with a season ending injury.  After getting only 10 at bats in 2008, Lin's work to improve appeared to have paid dividends when his season came to a sudden end.  Lin had 3 doubles and a home run amongst his 12 hits with 2 stolen bases.  Lin was my sixth ranked centerfielder and ranked 32nd overall based on only 33 at bats.

The fifth ranked center fielder is a young player many consider to have the highest ceiling of any player in the organization.  Aaron Hicks, who was the Twins first round pick in 2008, went on to to hit .318/.409/.491 in 173 GCL at bats.  Hicks had 10 doubles, 4 triples, 4 home runs and 12 stolen bases in 14 attempts to rank as my 25th best player with Baseball America ranking him as the Top Prospect in the GCL.  Baseball America again ranked him as the Top Prospect in the MidWest League this year following a season that began in EST before hitting .251/.353/.382 in 251 at bats at Beloit.  Hicks, who is a disciplined hitter with 40 walks and 55 strikeouts, had 15 doubles, 3 triples, 4 home runs and 10 stolen bases in 18 attempts for the Snappers.  A 5-tool player most believe can become a superstar, Hicks moved up one spot in my ranking to #24.

Fourth ranked is a player the Twins received from Cincinnati in a trade a few years ago for Juan CastroBrandon Roberts hit .316/.370/.396 with 27 steals (stole 50 bases for the entire season) in 71 games following his 2006 all-star break trade.  The following year he moved up to AA where he hit .293/.355/.374 in 389 at bats with only 14 steals in 21 attempts.  In 2008 Roberts returned to New Britain where he was my 50th ranked player mostly because he missed much of the season with an injury which limited him to only 95 at bats, hitting .200/.269/.253.  Roberts was healthy for most of 2009 and responded by hitting .287/.352/.365 in 397 at bats with 21 steals in 28 attempts to be ranked as my 22nd best player.  If he is with the Twins next year, Roberts should move up to Rochester where he will be one plane ride away from making his major league debut. 

Third ranked is a center fielder some believe has a higher ceiling than Hicks, Angel Morales.  Although Morales was drafted in the third round a year earlier out of Puerto Rico, he is about two months younger than Hicks and won't turn 20 until later this month.  Morales opened eyes with his phenominal season at Elizabethton in 2008 where he hit .301/.413/.623 in 183 at bats with 12 doubles, 1 triple, a league high 15 home runs and 28 RBI.  Morales also stole 7 bases in 9 attempts to rank as my 19th best player.  This season began very slowly for Morales at Beloit, yet he made the necessary adjustments and played like the star many believe he will become during the second half.  Morales, who played through an injury during much of June, finished his first full-season hitting .266/.329/.455 in 376 at bats with 22 doubles, 5 triples, a team high 13 home runs and 62 RBI with 19 stolen bases in 25 attempts.  The only knock against Morales are his struggles to hit some breaking balls and that he strikes out to often.  He did make progress this season, however, with 104 strikeouts (27.7%) against better pitching versus a 39.3% strike out rate last year in the Appy League.  People who have seen him play comment that the ball explodes off his bat and that Morales could become a superstar at the major league level.  Morales was my 20th ranked player this season, however, played as well as anyone in the organization post all-star break.  I look for him to blossom as a star next year in the FSL by reducing his strikeout rate to around 20%, hit 20 home runs with an average approaching .300.  He should move up to AA as a 21 year old the following year and don't be surprised if you see him called up in September, 2011.

The second ranked center fielder and my 18th ranked player this year is Jason Pridie.  Pridie, who was part of the Bartlett/Garza/Young trade, has been up with the Twins several times and certainly is in the mix to battle for the fifth outfield spot on the roster next spring.  Pridie was my 15th ranked player in 2008 when he hit .270/.305/.435 in 559 at bats at Rochester with 21 doubles, a league best 16 triples, 13 home runs and 61 RBI.  Pridie also stole 25 bases in 34 attempts and was named the International League's best defensive outfielder.  Like the entire Red Wing team, Pridie's production dropped off this year.  In 513 at bats he hit .265/.295/.382  with 23 doubles, 5 triples, 9 home runs, 53 RBI and 25 stolen bases in 32 attempts.  After making his first appearance with the Twins in 2008, Pridie didn't appear in any games for the Twins during this season and wasn't a September callup.  Whether or not that is an indication of what Twins plans are for him in 2010 isn't known, however, he appears to be a candidate to claim that last roster spot.

The top ranked center fielder and my #1 ranked player this year has taken almost as much criticism since being drafted as the Twins current center fielder.  A common reaction to his selection in the first round was that many believed he should have been a second or third round pick and the Twins were being cheap when they drafted Ben Revere.  He doesn't play good defense and doesn't hit for power are other common criticisms.  Even though Revere hit .325/.388/.481 in 191 at bats in his rookie season with the GCL Twins the criticism continued.  Last year Revere remained in EST to work on his defense before moving up to Beloit.  And if he hadn't been injured in late July, wouldn't it have been fun for Beloit fans to watch him try to become the first minor league player in a long time to flirt with a .400 Average?  Unfortunately, his leg injury limited his play until the Twins eventually shut him down with minor knee surgery.  He didn't have enough at bats to qualify for the league batting championship which he would have easily won at .379/.433/.497 in 340 at bats with 17 doubles, 10 triples, 51 runs scored and 44 stolen bases in 57 attempts to rank #12 in my post season ranking.  

Some still weren't believers.  What would it take for Revere to earn their respect in the pitcher friendly FSL?  After missing the FSL batting championship by two points.....Revere has impressed me and should have quieted many of his critics.  Reports that I have read indicate that Revere has made progress in his defensive game.  At the plate, he hit .311/.372/.369 in 466 at bats with the league's most hits (145), third most runs scored (75), third most steals (45 in 62 attempts) and fourth best OBP (.372).  Revere, who took more walks (40) than strikeouts (34), still has some aspects of his game that needs work, however, I believe my top ranked player in 2009 is a special player who will be an exciting addition to the Twins beginning sometime in 2011.         

Ben Revere, Angel Morales, Aaron Hicks, Joe Benson and Rene Tosoni are all solid or better center fielders.  Perhaps the biggest problem the Twins will have in a couple years is deciding which has the highest upside as they certainly won't be able to keep all five in the organization.....or can they?

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Lara...

I may be wrong, but wasn’t he just released?

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by rosterman on Nov 7, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

YUP

he was released a couple weeks ago, one of 7 or 8 players (all from short season teams) released.

by SethSpeaks on Nov 7, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seth...

…I was on vacation for a week and missed that. Do you have the names of the 7/8 that were released?

by roger13 on Nov 7, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

from BA:

Released: RHP Ramon Acosta, RHP Edilson Alvarez, RHP Raynard Doran, RHP Kelvin Mota, RHP Leonardo Parra, C Juan Richardson, OF Herbert Lara

No real surprises.

by SethSpeaks on Nov 9, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Revere

Of course I like him. But I don’t see as much upside in him as Hicks or Morales because he doesn’t have power. This is not as big a deal in the minors. But in the major leagues, unless you have some power, pitchers can work on you. They can pitch you inside without worrying about the homer.

I watched Jason Tyner tear up the minors and do decently in the majors until the pitchers figured out that he was susceptible to the inside pitch. For a time, he learned to turn on it. But that was momentary. Eventually, his lack of power made him a relatively easy out. That is Revere’s downside, if he never develops power.

His upside is Kirby Puckett without Kirby’s arm, but his downside limits him as a prospect. Hicks and Morales, on the other hand, have very high upsides. For that reason, I rank them higher.

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by cmathewson on Nov 7, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hear Ichiro doesn't hit a lot of HR either

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by fetch9 on Nov 7, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ichiro has 84 HRs in 9 seasons at the majors

Revere has 3 HRs in three minor league seasons. Revere has nowhere near the power of Ichiro.

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by cmathewson on Nov 7, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ha I know I’m just giving you crap.

I don’t get all the Revere hate though. Yeah Morales has a high upside. Know who else had a high upside? Delmon Young.

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by fetch9 on Nov 8, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate Revere

I’m just concerned that he’ll never be more than a singles hitter. If so, he could still be a very valuable player, but you won’t see the high averages we saw in Beloit as pitching gets better. It’s easier to pitch and defend a singles hitter.

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by cmathewson on Nov 8, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe.......

Surprised that Denard is basically a singles hitter, and draws a fair number of walks. He has a bit more power than most single hitters, and can leg out those triples…but hitting doubles to the gap…not that much. If Revere can get on abe and hit at a .300+ clip…take pitches and such, there’s room for him in any lineup. Gomez just needed to get on abse and would’ve been valuable. But to be Gomez, and hit .250 and swing like he does…eh, well…..

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by rosterman on Nov 8, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The key for Revere

for me, is going to be his OBP. If he can bat anywhere near .300, with an OBP in the .360-.370 range in the majors (as well as plus defense), he’ll be quite valuable in the #2 hole behind Span. Yes, there wouldn’t be many extra base hits, but that’s what the 3-4-5-6-7 spots are for.

Plate discipline and the occasional speed double-triple would be fine for me.

by Adam Peterson on Nov 8, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Unless Revere can hit to the gaps (doubles and triples) and be a center fielder, I don’t think he projects to be great player.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 7, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Value

The twins don’t need Revere to be a star. His floor is average regular, which is incredibly valuable at the league minimum. He projects to be as valuable as Gomez in CF this year, using ZIPS (286/333/366) and giving him an average defensive rating. He has an excellent rating in totalzone, a similar system to UZR using play by play data. So I may actually be underating him.

by Jon Kammerer on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

CMath...

…How I rank performance put Revere at the top of the organization this season, whereas, several players including Hicks and Morales very likely will become better major league players. I do understand that Revere made a lot of progress this season defensively. The one part of his game that he needs to develop is reasonable gap power. If he can do that (personally, I think he will), he can be special and every bit as good as the others….just somewhat different.

by roger13 on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and we've discussed how I think you undervalue ISO and overvalue BA

If he can develop gap power, I’ll be as big a fan as anyone. As long as 90% of his hits are singles, not so much.

I’m glad he is doing better on defense. I hope his arm is a little stronger than it was. That was the other thing that concerned me. If he can’t throw like a center fielder, he’d be like Johnny Damon or Shannon Stewart defensively. He will never hit like a corner outfielder, so if he can’t play center, his upside is limited. There are ways of compensating for a weak arm in center (deeper cut-off guys). But if he and Hicks and Morales all emerge around the same time, the guys with the cannons will end up in center (Hicks) and right (Morales).

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by cmathewson on Nov 8, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is going to back up Span in center?

We need a speed guy, good defender, who is not an automatic out.

Can Tosoni really play CF? Otherwise, will it be Pridie or Benson?

by Old Twins Cap on Nov 7, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tosoni...

…has played as much center field as other outfield positions. He is solid at center although he won’t be a star like Gomez or even Span. It appears that he will be an adequate backup center fielder when he arrives to play one of the corner positions.

Even though he was pushed to AA this year, Tosoni won’t be ready to join the Twins until September, 2010 at the earliest and more likely sometime in 2011. Benson is even further away and won’t be ready until 2012.

by roger13 on Nov 8, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tosoni

should not come up as a backup at this point… he could be very good. the main thing he needs to do is figure out if he can hit left-handed pitching at all. So far, he really hasn’t.

by SethSpeaks on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

He hasn’t played a lot of ball in his life. So he’s more raw that your typical AA guy. If they don’t like Pridie, I look for them to sign a veteran fourth outfielder as insurance against Delmon starting 2010 like he started 2009.

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by cmathewson on Nov 9, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've thought for a while...

that a guy like Ryan Church could be a great addition as an insurance policy for Young and a guy that can play any of the 3 OF positions in case of injury.

by DJSkillz on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good call

I’d like Coco Crisp, but I think the Royals will pick up his option. If they don’t, he might be too pricey. Another guy I really like is Marlon Byrd.

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by cmathewson on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya...

but Byrd’s going to get a ton of cash and start somewhere probably. my guess would be the cubs.

by DJSkillz on Nov 9, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hummmm.....

That Lester/CoCo/Lowrie/Masterson and maybe Bowden offer that was bandied about by the Red Sox for Santana would’ve looked pretty good.

But instead of keeping him, the Twins probably would’ve traded Crisp last off-season…to Kansas City for that pitcher. Who knows.

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by rosterman on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that was the offer

I think those were preliminary discussions that looked like this:

Pick one of:

Lester/Crisp/Masterson/Kalish

Ellsbury/Lowrie/Bowden/Kalish

Then the Yankees tampered and the Sox changed the structure of their potential offers significantly. In the end, the Twins never got a chance to take either of the rumored offers and were forced to take or leave the Mets offer.

I am pretty sure they would have taken Lester/Crisp/Lowrie and Masterson if it had been on the table at any time. But I’m also pretty sure that the Sox would not trade four major league players for one pitcher.

No use crying over spilt milk.

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by cmathewson on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gone away........

Minnesota Twins
Released: RHP Ramon Acosta, RHP Edilson Alvarez, RHP Raynard Doran, RHP Kelvin Mota, RHP Leonardo Parra, C Juan Richardson, OF Herbert Lara

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by rosterman on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Rosterman...

…but by having played the entire season Lara would have still been ranked and included in these reviews. In a change from last year, I didn’t include players who left the Twins organization prior to the end of the season.

by roger13 on Nov 8, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Organizational players

I try to stay on top of A players and above (some rookie league guys) over at www.Twinscards.com in the rosters section. Will transfer most of the minor league guys from 2009 to 2010 once the 40-mans are set by month’s end and the minor-league free agents are culled out of the mess. It’s fun tracking the Twins minor league guys (and my inclusion is who I have autographs from, although the entire Twins minor league history now includes ALL players listed who have been in AA ball or above, since 1961).

Interesting that the Twins cleaned out a lot of righties, and I do think they might’ve hung on to Juan Richardson and Lara a tad longer……

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by rosterman on Nov 8, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The seven released players...

…were ranked this year: Acosta (#77), Alvarez (#73), Doran (#56), Mota (#50), Parra (#78), Richardson (#80) and Lara (#57). There were a total of 86 ranked position players and 79 pitchers.

by roger13 on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Acosta

is a good reason to make absolutely nothing out of stats in the DSL. A year ago, he had a 0.00 ERA and a perfect record in the DSL at age 20 or 21.

by SethSpeaks on Nov 9, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the key to DSL stats is the players age...

…Acosta was 21 when he had those spectacular numbers in the DSL. By comparison, Salcedo was almost as good, but he was 17. Like this year, Ciurcina was also 17 and should be expected to be special when he gets to the GCL next year.

by roger13 on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion...

When one of these guys (Revere, Hicks, or Morales) are ready to come up, you move span to left field…Especially if Hicks or Morales have a good range in Center, which it sounds like they are good there…That would give you a lot of range throughout the outfield…something you lack with Delmon Young in left, not to mention I think Span would make a better Corner outfielder than Centerfielder. That will be the one thing I miss about Gomez…He was an excellent fielder when he wanted to be.

by SouthSotaPop on Nov 8, 2009 1:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's a long way off...

but if 3 of these guys (Hicks/Revere/Morales/Benson) turn out, then I think you don’t just “move” Span position, but you trade him as he gets too expensive. I think we COULD have 3 of these guys ready sometime in 2012. That would be Span’s 2nd year of arbitration and Delmon’s 3rd if they’re still around (Cuddyer conceivably gone) so ideally 3 of these guys develop to give us a very talented, very cheap, OF. That would go a long ways towards offsetting some of the “big” contracts that we could have in the INF with Mauer/Morneau/Hardy, and even Kubel at DH (if extended).

Again, it’s a long way off, but it’s fun to think about what “could” be.

by DJSkillz on Nov 8, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well...

I’m as big a prospect guy as it gets, but by simply understanding how it works, the odds of more than two of (Hicks/Revere/Morales/Benson) make it to the big leagues is not great. The odds of more than one of them being a great player is probably even less. That’s why you simply can’t make plans for 2012 or even 2011.

by SethSpeaks on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure Seth...

I hear ya. Though I do have hope that at least 2 of those 4 will come through.

by DJSkillz on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But......

It does look promising…really…promising. Four potential starters. If any of them become a 4th outfielder, that’s just a bonus.

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by rosterman on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like......

The Twins might be able to wean any of these guys into the system as time goes on. You will have trading pieces, then, for the soon-to-be-expensive Young and maybe Span. You could amrket Kubel and keep Cuddyer around as DH (I think Cuddyer might be a long-term Twins just…because…..)

We’ll see how Revere handles AAA. He might make a September call-up, might return to AAA in 2011. Migth not. Too many factors, but enjoy what I see already. Hicks is still three seasons away from starting. Morales and Benson could make an appearance in 2011 and be ready in 2012 for sure, depending on the overall situation.

It’s ncie when you can work one rookie a year into a line-up (no, not 2 or three).

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by rosterman on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Revere will begin 2010 in AA...

…and most likely spend his entire season in New Britain. If he has a phenominal year, maybe a late summer promotion to Rochester. Most likely place for him in 2011 is a move up to Rochester with possibly a mid-year or Sept callup.

by roger13 on Nov 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Roger, Seth whats you're take ?

On
-Tosoni will he be in AAA right away to start ’10 ?

-Ramos AA or AAA to start?

-Joe Benson is a tough one A+ or AA to begin with ?

I think Parmelee, Revere, Bromberg, Robertson will all be in AA

-Michael McCardell should start off in AA too as essentially the #1 starter (but should be a candidate along with Gutierrez and Burnett to move up to AAA rather quickly) IMO….

McCardell, Guerra, Robertson, Bromberg, Hirschfeld 5 starters for New Britain to start 2010 looks G-R-E-A-T

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 9, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who starts at Rochester......

Swarzak, Manship, Duensing……..

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by rosterman on Nov 9, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tosoni should start in Rochester...

…after a full year in New Britain. Same with Ramos. As you, I look for Parmalee, Revere, Benson, Bromberg, and Robertson to move up to AA which should give them an awesome team. Burnett could start back at AA depending upon what happens with Slama/Delaney. I think there is a good chance the 5 starters you list will be the New Britain rotation.

by roger13 on Nov 10, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Twins moving into the new stadium its time to start spending some money and getting things rolling. Good start.

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by Zoxide on Nov 9, 2009 4:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Backup Outfielder

Ryan Freel is a FA, and can play the outfield and infield.

Has anyone heard/read anything about the Twins being interested in him?

by benhertz on Nov 10, 2009 4:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, not yet.

The Bill Smith regime plays everything notoriously close to the vest. If anything slips out, it’s probably on purpose.

by Jesse on Nov 10, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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