Winter Meetings Open Thread, Thursday: Will the Twins Make a Move?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 10, 2009 8:10 AM EST
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Print5:30 pm: [Update by Jesse] Wow. It's been...um...a really super crazy active day. Or not. Ken Rosenthal tweets that the Twins will be holding off until January to pick up a third baseman. He believes prices will be lower by that point, between unsigned free agents, the slew of non-tenders and teams just waiting to unload players they don't want around. Hopefully the Twins are able to get a bargain.
10:50 am: Still been a quiet morning so far, but here's my afternoon (UK time) update before I go out for a birthday party and return to you in a very different state this evening (UK time)...oh yeah, this is a Jesse update, btw.
As has already been discussed in the comments, LEN III says Alexi Casilla has been made available. I have to agree with our amazingly intelligent community by saying, politically, that I'm not sure who would be interested in Casilla at this point. He's "toolsy" and still young enough to mature, but how much value is there in that considering the results so far?
Minnesota did nothing during the Rule 5 draft, so if anyone is scratching their head over that one, you can go ahead and find another excuse for scratching your head. Or maybe you could just admit that you have dandruff. I mean, seriously, it's not the end of the world. Just don't wear black.
The Twins will be getting an A or AA player back from Boston for Boof. This from Kelsie Smith.
8:40 am: Boof Bonser's agents report that he has been traded to the Red Sox. No word yet on who the Twins got in return.
Day 4 of the Winter Meetings is upon us. As expected, there has been more action in these comment threads than in the Twins rumor mill. To sum up the first three days:
- The Twins and Padres continue to discuss a trade involving Glen Perkins and Kevin Kouzmanoff. San Diego wants a second prospect in addition to Perkins, what would get this done? San Francisco is also interested. Rumors indicate that the Padres asked SF for OF Fred Lewis and middle infielder Kevin Frandsen. LEN notes that the Twins "just won’t give up more than Glen Perkins."
- With Carl Pavano accepting arbitration, Boof Bonser was designated for assignment. Apparently Boof rejected the Twins initial one year offer for a shade over the minimum. I suspect with Pavano staying and the 1-4 spots set in the rotation, we're done acquiring pitchers unless we move one of our top 4.
- The Twins have expressed a great deal of interest in Mark DeRosa, but he's initially asking for 3 years / $27M. I don't think he'll get this much from anyone, and the only way the Twins sign him is if his price comes down significantly.
- Talks with Joe Crede are progressing "very slowly". Not surprising, considering the many options out there.
- Multiple sources indicate that Rich Harden is going to sign with the Rangers for one year plus an option.Would you rather have Harden or Pavano?
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Kouzmanoff
What do you think the Padres are asking for in addition to Kouzmanoff? If its a second-tier prospect we should be willing to do it. It seems as if they want to get rid of Perkins no matter what, and Kouzmanoff is by far as good as they’ll do in return.
Also, LEN III reports that in addition to Boof and Perkins, Casilla is available. You would think someone would take a chance on his upside.
Perkins and Casilla
might get it done for San Diego. Considering our other middle infield options, I’m ok with that as a package for Kouzmanoff. Maybe a bit high, but we’re talking about two players who I don’t think have a future with the Twins at this point.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 10, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with someone taking a chance on Casilla...
as long as it’s not the Twins. I can’t even look at “Alexi Casilla” without the letters spontaneously reordering themselves into “Luis Rivas”.
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At this point, Rivas would be his upside
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I disagree...
He obviously doesn’t fit into the Twins’ plans, but he’s only one year removed from a solid season for a second baseman, and he has shown more than flashes defensively. I don’t think he should simply be used as a throw-in in a trade unless they plan on releasing him anyways. Still young, and although incredibly undisciplined, he’s someone that would easily latch on, unlike Rivas.
Amazingly.....
Rivas is still out there, looking for his shot return to the majors.
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Rivas had a couple of "solid" seasons
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Hmmmmmm
Ship Perkins and a decent prospect since we seem to have them coming out of our collective arse’s to get Kouz, then turn around and sign Harden from underneath the Rangers if that hasnt happened yet.
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by VikesFaninNM on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Harden
If he signs for anything less than 7 mil at 1 year I will be sick that he is not a twin.
Further, maybe this has already been disccussed…but why the hell do you keep Keppel over Boof?
It makes no sense to me.
I hear $7.5M first year
with an $11.5M option for year two.
I think we gambled that Pavano would decline arbitration and he’s now a Twin. While his upside isn’t as great as Harden’s, I think there’s a much better chance that Pavano will give us over 150 innings. Heck, at this point Harden can rarely go beyond the 5th inning in the National League. What happens once he faces the DH and patient, slugging AL teams? Harden may give us good innings, but not very many of them.
We keep Keppel over Boof because Boof wants closer to $1M. Considering our other options, I’m ok with this. I think Keppel and Harris are two players on the borderline if we sign someone or complete an uneven trade.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 10, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Damn it.
A healthy Harden would make us a contendor.
Pavano does little good for our rotation.
He is a 3-5 guy.
Just like everyone else.
Also, I doubt Keppel makes the Major leauge team next year. So its seems like we just tossed Boof away for $$$
by clutterheart on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
As it stands, we are the obvious favorites in the AL central
I think that makes us a contender.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Also
It’s debatable whether a healthy Harden actually exists.
It exists
but so do a healthy crede, a centaur with AROD’s body (not just a portrait), and leprochauns.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
He just throws so many fork balls, I doubt he'll ever pitch 200 innings in a season
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AAA
I think that we have a lot of AAA/AAAA guys that we should look to give up, to clear space. It’s not that the players don’t have a chance, just that we have too many of those borderline value guys waiting at the high levels (since all of our talent is at low levels).
In addition to Casilla/Boof/Perkins, I think that most of our AAA infielders (except Valencia), many of our starters, and most of our bullpen, at best translate as platoon or long-relief guys in the majors. They should all be throw-ins, if that’s what it takes to get a player that is an everyday guy.
Thoughts
#1: I think we get Kouz today, I really do. We’ll throw in someone else — probably not Casilla, though.
#2: Agreed. Pitching’s done. We’ve got plenty of guys for the last spot. We’re even okay uf Slowey doesn’t come back at form (let’s not expect too much, here). I wish Boof had accepted our offer, though.
#3: I don’t think we’ll get DeRosa. Too expensive, and more years than the Twins would want.
#4: It’s certainly good not to break ties with Crede entirely. If nothing else pans out, I’d be happy to have him back. But my first choice is someone healthy.
#5: Pavano. Devil you know.
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by Robin G on Dec 10, 2009 9:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
DeRosa
I think we’ll see his asking price come down quite a bit, to $6-7M per year over two years plus an option. I’d be tempted at that price, even if we make a trade for Kouzmanoff. It will never happen with Punto on the roster, but Kouzmanoff at third and DeRosa at second would give us a nice infield. I’d be very happy with our team at that point.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 10, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
That's still not chicken scratch.
Especially considering Hardy, and what Pavano will get, and of course Mauer. We’re cutting it very close.
If we get Kouz, we’ll have solved our outfield glut, settled on a decent veteran pitcher, gotten a regular third baseman, and acquired a shortstop with flashy defense and plenty of offensive potential. I’ll call that a very succesful offseason, even if nothing happens at second. (Assuming we sign Mauer.)
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by Robin G on Dec 10, 2009 9:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Non-Tenders?
Isn’t the deadline Saturday? I’ve read that there is still a glut of 3B free agents (Beltre at the top of a so-so list, and Polanco shifting deepened the pool) and the glut threatens to get bigger after the non-tenders. So unless the Twins just love Beer Can Kouzy, I see them waiting for now. If they are just looking for a seat-warmer for Valencia, I could see them taking a flyer on Garrett Atkins (I know, I know deteriorating, lousy D, Coors inflated O.)
As usual, SP is getting $$$, so the affordable depth the Twins have is good. If Harden pitches well he’s easily worth the 7.5 million, but then the option vests, and you are on the hook the next year for and 11.5 million gamble that he’ll stay healthy, no better a bet then than now.
Please, not Atkins.
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by Robin G on Dec 10, 2009 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
News
Boof Bonser just signed with the … Boston Red Sox
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According to his agency
Bonser was TRADED to the Red Sox. Link here.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 10, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Technically, when you DFA a guy, you have 72 hours to release or trade him
So, they prolly got the proverbial PTBNL or cash considerations for him.
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I thought it was 10 days
Waiver must occur within the first 7 days, but trade/release within 10 days.
The limiting factor this year was the non tender deadline, I think. Would we be willing to offer Boof arbitration? I don’t think so…
by Adam Peterson on Dec 10, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Colin Curtis
is still available for the Twins to take in the Rule 5 draft if they want him as their 4th outfielder.
For those of you who missed it yesterday:
Curtis could make for a solid backup outfielder type at the big league level. He hit just .250/.321/.364 during the year, but was impressive in the Arizona Fall League. Over 78 at-bats, he hit .398/.472/.731. Sure, small sample size, but you can bet people were watching.
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Can he play center?
That’s the big thing. If his defense is average or better at center, he’s perfect for that role. The other question is his minor league history, which if decent makes sense (then again, everyone else will be thinking the same thing, and he won’t make it to Minnesota).
by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds similar to Pridie
Only substitute Venezuelan Winter League for AFL.
I believe
the AFL has the harder competition than the Winter League since teams send their cream of the crop to the AFL whereas its a hodge podge at the Winter League.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Perhaps
But the AFL is a hodge-podge as well. I wouldn’t exactly call Hirschfield, McCardell, and Steedley as the cream of the Twins crop; rather they were best guys of a certain level of experience deemed fit for the AFL. The Twins had to send somebody, and they weren’t the only ones.
Taking Curtis would mean losing another player, and there is no guarantee he could stick. But the competition between Tosoni, Martin, Pridie, and Curtis would be unfairly swayed in Curtis’ direction.
Bonser
traded to BoSox. No word on if we get anyone yet..probably PTBNL.
Casilla and Perkins seems too high…I agree that neither has a future in MN, but couldn’t Casilla be used as a trading chip in another deal? If not in the offseason, sometime during the year when we can further assess the weaknesses that will inevitably crop up. Let him showcase in AAA rather than sit on the bench in the bigs. Perkins + Pridie should even get it done…they want a CF so that could work…
For Kouzmanoff
Sorry…Perkins/Casilla too high of a price for KOUZMANOFF…my bad.
Might be in the catbird seat
The Padres are looking to move Kouzmanoff. The Red Sox are clearly looking at Beltre so they won’t be interested. If the Twins have the best offer they’re going to get Kouzmanoff, they probably don’t need to sweeten. The deep free agent pool is working in their favor.
I don't think Casilla has much trade value at this point.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Neither do I
I don’t think it’s worth waiting out and calling the bluff. If the Giants are truly interested in Kouzmanoff, they have the pieces to get him as well.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 10, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that's what I'm worried about
They’re hoping the giants sign someone and the padre’s asking price comes down. I just think he’s probably the only decent upgrade we could find without adding significant payroll at this point. If its Perkins/Casilla or Perkins/mid level prospect I think we have to do it.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Casilla 9th best Twins-system player under age 25
According to Baseball Prospectus. Above Angel Morales and Bromberg.
I’m not saying that’s right, but he still has a realistic shot at being a solid MLB middle infielder, which is worth something.
Probably more there than we'd admit
Dinkelman, Singleton et al are still behind Casilla
True...
Very true. The Twins can call the Padres’ bluff and and wait it out. But I don’t think a second-tier prospect would be something that should keep the Giants or someone else from getting Kouzmanoff. I would NOT give up Casilla or a top prospect in addition to Perkins for him. If they say no to Perkins/Pridie or Perkins/2-tier prospect, then leave it on the table and wait it out. There is always the slight chance they can get DeRosa on a 2 yr.-$14 mil. with an option year after the deadline for tendering contracts. I would almost rather re-sign Crede than overpay for DeRosa though.
How much cash will we get from the Boof deal?
And more importantly is it being direct deposited into Joe Mauer’s bank account?
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 10, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions
Boof traded
for cash and/or a A/AA player according to Kelsie Smith
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Casilla
La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune heard last night that Twins infielder Alexi Casilla is available.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions
Let's get a deal with the Padres done
We can use Kouz as a good third baseman until Valencia is good and ready. If we can get a reasonable starter like Kouz, there’s no reason to rush Valencia into a major league role that he might not be ready for yet.
by John Veldhuis on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Sanchez to the Phillies, Marquez to the Rangers. (Triple-A Phase)
Does this mean they’ll play in AAA for the entire season?
Can Valencia play 2B?
Maybe they’ll give him a half-season in AAA at 2B and use Punto until then. Just a crazy notion.
Boof...to the Red Sox?!
:(
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yeah
It’s not like I remember any big Boof moments with the Twins but I like the guy, and enjoyed the idea of another piece of the Twins/Giants trade going the Twins way…
How do you say Boof w/ a heavy Boston accent?
:)
baffer
boofer
New Englanders like to add an “er” at the end of most names….
by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 11, 2009 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Except against us. Er, luck that is, I hope he stays healthy too.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Rule 5 picks - 1st Round
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rule-5-picks.html
So far, the Twins haven’t been involved.
Boof and Kouz
Maybe the Twins are waiting until the last minute to trade for Kouz. Outside chance that the Padres might not go to arbitration with him?
There was interest in Boof, and a trade worked best for the Twins. But now the Red Sox must arbitrate with Boof, perhaps, and he’ll get his million?
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Rule 5
Could it be that Singleton, Fox , Winfree, Dinkelman, and others are not as good as we think they are?
After all the talk, I was sure one of them would get a chance to win a spot with another team.
But nobody went after them.
Perhaps none of them are big leauge talent?
Winfree isn't eligible for the Rule V draft...
…cause he is a minor league free agent and isn’t on the Twins or anyone’s roster (unless he signed with someone the last few days). Fox missed so much time that I can understand why no one was willing to take a gander on him. Expect he will have a very nice season at Rochester next year.
Singleton, Fox, Winfree, and Dinkelman
were ranked #’s 32, 44, 35, and 38 respectively by the Twinkie Town voters last year. They are who we thought they were.
Dennis Green?
Is that you?
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 10, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!
And we let ’em off the hook roster!
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Pedro Feliz
Reportedly signs for $4 mil with Astros.
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I hope this is true
I really did not want the 0 bat, declining glove of Feliz on the Twins. I much rather would have Crede, who though more of an injury risk, can still hit and is a premier defender.
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4.5 million
hahaha, right after they signed Lyon to 3yr/15mm
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by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 10, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Next time I hear "Fire Bill Smith"
I’ll just point to Ed Wade. I think Bill Smith has done a pretty good job since the Young trade blew up on him.
Agreed.
Though that Young trade still burns just a bit.
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but Young has flames tattoo’d on his arm…he’s so cool…and sadly so funny when he plays the field…
I wish there was a way for him to get more time in RF… based on nothing but a hunch, I think he’d put up better numbers if he did.
Yeah, ok.
Cool.
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This has be the best news I have heard all day...
and I just found out I was being promoted!!!!!!!
ok, I lied. I am not being promoted, but the Feliz signing is still fantastic.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 10, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Valencia is better than Feliz
So is Brendan Harris.
Exactly!
Which is why I am glad he signed somewhere, other than the Twins.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about that
But there’s no way he’s worth 4.5 mil at this point. If Harris and Feliz were both free, I’d see it as a close battle.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Valencia yes, Harris no
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No kidding.
This is boring.
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extremely
not even Twitter rumors…which is almost unheard ofl!!!!
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Boring...
…the World Series ended what, about six weeks ago. Since then the Twins have extended Cuddyer; traded an exciting but extra outfielder for a young exciting shortstop; offerred arbitration to Pavano who surprised most fans by accepting. That is one move and three problems solved. That is a lot and we have just lite the hot stoves!
Kouzmanoff deal
so let me get this straight…they won’t give up more than Glen Perkins who was extremely Mediocre last year..for a 3rd baseman who is leaps and bounds better than what we currently have and is the most reliable…healthwise…3rd baseman we could possibly have since freaking Corey Koskie..Ah the wonders of the Twins front Office.
they are not averse to
giving up more than Perkins for Kouz. They just want to know who else the Padres are looking for.
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Fun Fact!
The Twins have had at least 14 different 3rd basemen since Corey Koskie.
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I think I read 17, but I know for sure it was more than 14. :\
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Breaking news from Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports
Twins holding off on acquiring 3B until January when prices will be lower.
UGH
@the Black Friday deals on 3B are supposed to be amazing @
Lame…good thing I don’t root for the Twins b/c of their blockbuster deals…
That...is quite unfortunate for us.
But probably much better for the payroll. Oh well.
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Wait until weekend......
Maybe Kouz will be available…Twins or Giants need to step up, otherwise SD may just cut him.
Things will slow down a bit until the New Year. Players playing teams against teams.
Of course, the Twins should finally do some minor league free agency stuff.
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I don't think he'll be cut
they’d just lower their demands back to perkins. I think this might be a smart move, but it is risky that we’ll end up with noone. And by noone I mean Brendan Harris.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Pavano or Harden?
Under the circumstances I’ll take Pavano. Harden has great ability, but he’s a 5 inning guy, totally blows your pen. His #’s also are trending the wrong way, and that was in the NL. Pavano, if healthy, supplies the Twins with exactly what they need.
Getting rid of Boof...That pisses me off
Since When did Bobby Keppel do anything worth a damn to deserve a roster spot?
Game 163.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
1 game...Boof was more reliable than Keppel was outta the pen....
but unfortunately got injured…Boy the AJ Pierzynski Trade is falling apart :)
I'm not saying I disagree with you.
On any day, I probably would prefer Boof to stay and Keppel to go, but his pitching in 163 to this day is slightly unreal (and by that, I mean the situations he somehow managed to get out of).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Keppel was impressive in Game 163
But no one made me feel more like saying, “OMG! No!” more than Keppel warming up. Well, maybe Ayala or @#$% Mijares.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 10, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, absolutely agree.
I’m sure if we look back at that game thread, there would be several comments much like that one. “NOOOO, not the Akeppelypse!”, etc.
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Well then,
What was Graddy thinking. Don’t blame Keppel. Just the same as Punto batting second. It’s not punto, its Graddy.
by b1 on Dec 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Graddy?
Er…did you mean Gardy? Or Grady?
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 10, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
how can you
possibly say the AJ Pierzynski trade is falling apart!?
Joe Nathan is worth 2 of AJ
Liriano though he struggled this last season, still is young and has shown signs of 2006 (which was worth more than AJ)
Boof picked up where Liriano left off in 06, and was a fairly reliable bull pen arm for us…his numbers were inflated because Gardy tried to start him so much and failed.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
man, emoticons don't have the same effect these days
note the smiley at the end of his comment. And then take a deep breath.
This is one situation where I just assume they know what they are doing.
they know a lot more about Boof’s shoulder than we do. Then again, the fact that the red sox were the team who picked him up scares me a little.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Giants make offer on Derosa
If thats true and here were to sign with them, it would take out our biggest competitor (publicly) for Kouz. Which would definitely help us in trade negotiations.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/giants-rumors-bay.html
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 10, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions
The Twins are doing a good job of avoiding Black Friday
Chips are falling into place to at least get Crede back cheap. Figgins, Feliz, Polanco, Lowell, maybe Derosa, maybe Beltre to Red Sox all off the market. Of course I don’t know who that leaves still in search of a 3B, but the number has dwindled. Of course so have the options.
Also Troy Glaus
He’s probably a 1B/DH now but if he can play 3B he may be worth a 1 year deal.
I'm pretty happy with the quiet for now
The Twins were probably smart to wait everything out for a bit. Depending on who’s non-tendered the price might go down on some of the other free agents. There are still some very good players out there and the more affordable they become the better shot the Twins have to get one or two of them.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
What Happened
to Orlando Hudson? Not even one twitter (double meaning there ;) about him. Did his agent come out and say O-Hud was hanging up the spikes? Not one rumor throughout the whole winter meetings or even in a long time!
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I read somewhere
that the Giants were possibly interested in him but otherwise I have heard nothing…
but they have
not said that in a while. They are focusing on 3B right now and for the past week.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Who knows. Maybe if we wait this thing out we'll be the only ones looking for an infielder
and get some bargain prices.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why not Callaspo?
According the KC Star (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/1617048-p2.html) the Royals are looking at Chris Getz as their starting 2B and dangling Alberto Callaspo. Everyone seems to have dialed in on making a deal for Kouzmanoff, but why not try to bring in Callaspo – .356OBP/.457SLG would look verrry good in the 2 hole. I understand there are some defensive issues but he’s 26 and very affordable.
Downside is that Punto might end up starting at 3B?
The article says the Royals are looking for catching or CF – might Morales or Ramos interest them?
Thoughts?
I'd certainly be happy with him.
Perkins for Callaspo sounds good to me. If punto is playing anywhere it might as well be at third base, especially if the second basemen we picks up hits as well as callespo does.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I personally think
that if we are going to trade for a 2B, it should be Callaspo. He is the perfect #2 hitter. If the Royals would take Perkins + Pridie/Martin + Fox for Callaspo, I would really like that trade. None of the players the Twins let go, have no career with the Twins, so they might as well get rid of them for somebody that could have a career in MN.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
2 things however
Kansas City’s willingness to trade within the division
and the Twins willingness to take on Callaspo’s “supposed” attitude and background problems. (However, it worked with Percy Harvin!!!)
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
The vikings and twins have different organizational philosophies when it comes to these things
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
yes
but in the past they havent been to eager for the “I in team” and other ego problems. Now they go out and sign Harvin and he has no problems at all.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
I'm sure Morales or Ramos would interest them
I think Morales would be an even deal but Ramos would be a huge overpay.
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…at Jason Kendall.
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Kouzy
I think Kouzy would be a great way to make the left side young(i.e. Hardy) plus I’m not really sold on Perkins being the 5th man, I mean there is alot of other guys to take the plce, but of course that number just keeps shrinking. I still like suensing
Joe Mauer
I second not adding Casilla for Kous.
Casilla has certainly been frustrating, but he has shown flashes of brilliance. And whenever he gets sent down he tears it up. I can’t understand why he can’t be a little more consistent at the major league level.
I do like the potential upside of Kous and I definitely like his price tag. I definitely think he’s worth Perkins and a second player – I just don’t think Casilla should be one of them.
I’ve heard the Padres are looking for a catcher among other things. I wouldn’t send them Ramos or Morales, but how about Butera?
Gardy!!!
I think he’s tough on the young infielder. He never seemed to like Bartlett’s play. I think he’s on them to much and they play tight. I think he values husle and heads up play over talent some times ie Punto.
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