Twinkie Town 2010 Top 50...Voting for Propsect Number 10!
by roger13 on Dec 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST
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PrintWith voting down on the weekend, Twinkie Town voters cast 104 votes selecting Rene Tosoni as the Ninth best prospect in the organization with 33 votes (31%). Congratulations Rene! Deolis Guerra was second with 20 votes (19%).
All of the players in the last round had five percent with the exception of Max Kepler-Rozycki, who secured only 4 votes (4%). Kepler-Rozycki will be dropped from the next round. We will add two players who had been in previous rounds, top reliever Alex Burnett and a young man who moved all the way from AA last spring to start one of the most important games of the year the last weekend of the Twins season, Jeff Manship.
Please continue to include in the comment section those players you believe should be included in future rounds.
The selections for the first nine rounds were: 1) Miguel Jean; 2) Aaron Hicks; 3) Wilson Ramos; 4) Kyle Gibson; 5) Ben Revere; 6) Danny Valencia; 7) Angel Morales; 8) David Bromberg; and 9) Rene Tosoni. Who will round out our top 10?
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Chris Parmelee
Parmelee’s power and ability to take walks looks great. Still needs to continue to get that BA up, but has shown he has the ability to improve. Great player to round up the 10th spot.
This one is interesting,
because I don’t see a clear winner. I think we’ve definitely voted in the top 9 best prospects, even if not necessarily in expected order. I can see almost any of these guys winning this one…
I rate Salcedo ahead of Guerra
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Those will probably be my next two, but I put Guerra ahead
I have so much trouble with rating upside
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 12, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
If you read all the reports coming out of...
…Florida, many just a bit here and there from reliable sources like Jake Mauer, it appears that Salcedo may have as much or more upside as any pitcher in the organization (other than Gibson, and who knows maybe even him). Could he become a true Ace? Should be fun to watch him the next couple yearrs.
I think it is fitting to See Jeff Manship's name on here for #10
However, I firmly believe #10 should be either Parmelee or Gutierrez or certainly Benson
not Deolis Guerra, …..yet…
Any factual evidence at all towards this rumor?
Carlos Carrasco, Alex White along with Tanner Scheppers to the Twins
Glen Perkins and Beau Mills to the Rangers
Francisco Liriano and the rights to Boof Bonser + a PTBL to the Indians
(will Smoak and Feliz go to Fla. for Josh Johnson?)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 12, 2009 7:05 PM EST reply actions
Salcedo
He reeks of being one of those Neftali Perez type guys, and, as a guy signed young, might be moved faster than is usual, to avoid exposing him to the Rule V. If he turns out good, I’d expect to see him in less than 3 years.
Where is he projected to play this next year?
I assume Elizabethton with a chance to get to Beloit.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Salcedo
was my vote too…
Han – if he turns into Neftali Feliz, that would be a very good thing!
Half – I would agree with that. Could start at Beloit, but I would guess he’ll go up there before the short-season.
I see Salcedo starting in EST, then going to Elizabethton...
…Salcedo is very young, won’t turn 19 until next April 24th. This past season was only his second year of professional baseball, so he won’t have to go on the 40-man roster until November 2012. Hermsen turned 20 a couple weeks ago and has a much higher probability of starting his season in Beloit. But where they start the season for both will be determined on how they pitch in spring training.
Burnett, always a bridesmaid?
didn’t he garner about 140 votes at number 1 or 2? Now he can’t get 3 votes at # 10. Another flaw in this poll exposed. Oh well.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM EST reply actions
Its not a flaw
Just the nature of human behavior.
by clutterheart on Dec 12, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I am no statistician.
But there does not seem any reasonable explanation for someone to get that much actual love at #1 or #2 and then fall completely off of the map for so long. The only explanations I can think of is a flaw in the system, a flaw in the computer system (same guy who voted 78 times for Sano also voted 78 times for Burnett, or (I suppose this is the most logical) rounds 1-3 garnered around 300-500 votes and these rounds are only getting about 150 – 200. Then i suppose you could argue all the Burnett fans have stopped voting…
Humans do sometimes vote for people to be runners up several times over, I agree, but not to this extent.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
if you are replying to me, then you are not making sense.
are you saying he looked better (as a prospect) against Sano, Hicks, Ramos, Morales and Valencia, etc., but looks worse (as a prospect) against Tosoni, Parmalee, Benson, Burnett, Manship, etc., … that wouldn’t make any sense. My comments are about the poll.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 12, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying upside (hype) is higher on the younger players
On the other players he played with at AA , he was not a stand out on that team. Many change their vote every round.
oh yeah,
and ‘flaw’ may have been a poor choice of words on my part. I didn’t mean it critically, I meant it more as a ‘quirk’ or ‘oddity’ that might be a result of the format.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
ah, never mind.
I got off of my lazy butt and answered my own question. Rounds 1&2 got well over 500 votes. Rounds 3&4 a little over 200 and by round 5 until now we have had a little over 100 votes. I guess that alone could explain the ‘quirk.’
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 12, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Benson
Gutierrez is also right there. Benson should really break out this season. More than likely playing between Fort Myers and New Britian. Hermsen and Sacedo have had success in short season ball, I’d like to see their #’s at low A and above. Plenty of high end talent on this list.
Benson's Upside
I am curious—if something really clicks for him, he could have as much upside as even Hicks, right?
After reading these comments...
…I went back and spent a a couple minutes just looking at this list. These are the players we are voting on for #10. As I look at it, there is a real chance that all eight of these guys could play for the Twins. That really says something to me about this organization.
Benson, I could become another Torii Hunter or a good fourth outfielder. Burnett, I see him as the Twins closer sometime in 2012-2013. Guerra, at twenty years old certainly has the ability to develop into a solid #2-#3 starter. Gutierrez, I know the Twins want him to start, I still see a very good set-up/middle reliever. Hermsen, could be special…solid #2 with a chance to be an Ace. Manship, see him as a solid #3 starter…could be #5 this year and #3 next year. Parmelee should develop into a solid player, will either be a part-time player/DH with some pop or starter with some pop. Salcedo is the one pitcher on this list who I believe has the highest ceiling. I see him as having an excellent chance of becomming that team Ace. I would have voted for Salcedo, Burnett will be my next choice once Salcedo is off the list.
Why Parmelee?
He can hit but so can lots of people floating around AAA. If he can’t play a defensive position, he might top out as Ross Gload. I just don’t see him in the top 10. Any solid starting pitcher is more valuable than a mediocre DH.
not if Parmelee has 30 homerRun type power a season....
Any factual evidence at all towards this rumor?
Carlos Carrasco, Alex White along with Tanner Scheppers to the Twins
Glen Perkins and Beau Mills to the Rangers
Francisco Liriano and the rights to Boof Bonser + a PTBL to the Indians
(will Smoak and Feliz go to Fla. for Josh Johnson?)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 13, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Today's ranking shouldn't be for a 30 HR guy
He hit his career high – 16 HR – this season. He hasn’t shown as much as Cuddyer at the same age, especially with batting average. Intriguing, yes but looking more like Mike Jacobs than Mike Cuddyer.
Mike Jacobs comparison is probably fair
but you should consider that Jacobs also has 30 HR power, evidenced by his 32 HR in Florida in 2008. His career high 16 HR is also misleading, as it’s:
(a) In the Florida State League. Parmelee was two behind the league leader. Simply put, not a whole lot of homeruns are hit in the FSL.
(b) We’re really talking about 3/4 of a season, 120+ games compared to 162 in the majors.
In a number of ways, Parmelee’s 2009 season has me optimistic for the future:
(a) 2009 was by far his best year from a plate discipline standpoint. He struck out at a 25.8% rate, down sharply from his 36.7% rate in 2008 at Beloit. By comparison, Adam Dunn’s career MLB strikeout rate is 32.4%. If Parmelee can hold this rate to 25% or lower, he has a chance to at least hit for a slightly below average (.250-.260) rather than .220 territory.
(b) He was healthy after being injured much of 2008.
(c. Continued strong on base skills. Parmelee’s .359 OBP last year was around 10th in the FSL, despite a .258 batting average. If Parmelee can maintain around a 15% walk rate in the higher levels, he can be valuable regardless of his batting average.
(d) Parmelee’s performance was as a 21 year old in the FSL, about 2 years younger than the average league age.
I look forward to seeing what Parmelee can do in New Britain in 2010. If he can turn out to be a league average DH / backup 1B, that would be pretty valuable in a couple years. Perhaps not as valuable as a 1-3 starting pitcher, but valuable nonetheless.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 14, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately...
…no one knows. He was shut down towards the end of the GCL season last year because he could not put the ball over the plate. It appears to be a psychological issue. We will know more come spring training. If he can again throw strikes, his upside is very high. That is becoming a bigger IF each season, however.
He's a Tulane guy
like someone else I know (me). Which means he might need to get in touch with our esteemed radio broadcaster. Maybe Shooter’s just dried out…and he needs a Shooter?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 14, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
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