Neyer's Top 100 Players of the Decade
A few items of note: Johan cracks the top 10 (barely), Baby J is number 40(!!!), special guest appearances by both Koskie and Radke.
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That is complete trash
Joe Mauer at #40. Pujols meanwhile holds #1 despite the similarities between him and Mauer. Morneau never made this list….what the Hell? Where is Griffey Jr.? Seriously, Neyer has no idea what he is talking about.
Half the players on there are known steroid users two – and two of them are in the top 5: Bonds and A-Roid.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Mauer only played in half the decade, but still should have been higher
Pujols as #1 I won’t disagree with, that guy is amazing. Also agree that Morneau should have made the list.
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 16, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
Pujols is an amazing player and I would be pretty upset if I heard that he is on steroids. I have a great respect for Pujols and I certainly am glad that he is not in the AL.
However, for Mauer to be rated #40 is a tad insulting. Mauer should have made the teens here, especially since a few in the top 20 are/were known steroid users. Morneau is glaring hole along with Griffey Jr. who had some great seasons in the early 00’s.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
wow I didn't see that he missed Griffey
that is a big hole in the list
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 16, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I definitely thought Morneau was a glaring omission.
Pujols is amazing, no doubt, but Mauer is as well. #40 is a tad insulting.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Morneau
made his debut as a regular in 2004. I like the guy, but cmon. He shouldn’t be on the list.
You could argue Mauer is too low at 40, but I think it is a huge compliment for a guy who hasn’t played more than half this decade.
Agree
Completely with that. And on the known steriod users. They still are some of the best in the decade, you cant simply ignore him. Oh and Griffey Jr. wasn’t mzing by all means. I think he could have made the list for nastelgia puposes, but other than that no. However, Griffey Jr. was the best player in the 90s. I though it was both odd and neat that both Koskie and Radke were on the list. I do understand it extremely to compile the best of the decade since 10 years is a really long time. Was lance berkman on the list???? just thought of that
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So
you think the known roid users should be on the list, but the likes of Ryan Howard (questionable roid user), Justin Morneau and Tim Lincecum should be left off?
Let me sum up those at a glance I saw that I know are/were steroid users:
Andruw Jones, Miguel Tejada, Gary Sheffield, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Barry Bonds, and Alex Rodriguez.
Morneau debuted in ‘04. Mauer in ’04. Youkilis (who made the list) in ’04. Tim Lincecum debuted in ’07, winning Rookie of the Year, and 2 Cy Youngs since then. Morneau and Lincecum are left off the list because people think they don’t deserve it based on the fact that they have not played a whole decade? Well, lets leave Mauer and Youk off the list as well, along with whoever else did not play the whole decade (which would include Albert Pujols).
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
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I said it is very hard to put people on the list and off the list, because we know the roid users we simply don’t want them off that reason, so we keep them in our heads to put in later, and then we often don’t want pick people who have only been around for a few seasons. Furthermore, i do believe morneau was snubed for east and west coast favoritism, but i did point out earlier that i found it odd that koskie and radke were on the list. The whole point is that with a list of that complexity you will NEVER satisfy everyone. So i don’t want to be to much of a complainer
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I am hesitant to say it, but 33MMVP has a point.
There are a few players that didn’t play the whole decade on the list, so why leave off one of the guys that won AL MVP? He’s lead in RBIs, won Silver Sluggers, etc. What makes him not one of the best players of the decade compared to…Miggy Cabrera, who debuted in ’03?
I can see where you’re coming from, I just think it’s kind of ridiculous to say that someone “might be the most talented player on the planet” and then rank him at #40. And to exclude someone who won MVP three years after his major league debut.
And yes, I realize there is a solid argument to say Justin shouldn’t have won that year, etc etc. He’s still a damn good player when healthy.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
well
mainly because RBIs and MVPs and stuff are meaningless.
Again, I like Morneau but he’s been the 2nd best player on the team one time.
Then why does Neyer mention them as criteria on his list?
MVP means MOST valuable player not 2nd most. Morneau should have been on there.
I don’t think Neyer put a lot of effort into this list and it’s meaningless anyway.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 17, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
No
It wouldn’t to you, would it?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?" -Joe Kapp
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 18, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
If you read the tag I put on here...
it says “arbitrary sports lists”. I don’t think believe this list is really important in the grand scheme of things, I just think it’s a stupid list. :)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Ok, rereading this, major English/posting fail.
*I don’t think this list is really important in the grand scheme of things, I just think it’s a stupid list and Neyer went for hits rather than actually putting players’ talent in perspective.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
sometimes I forget how good Koskie was
I guess it does make more sense to include him than Morneau
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 18, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
however
fetch9, what_would_gil_thorp_do never said anything about excluding Morneau. Morneau is a better player than some of those listed in Neyers ranking. Why are you so anxious to support Neyer and his obviously big name only player list?
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Morneau
was worth 15.6 wins this decade. The 100th ranked guy on this list, Jamie Moyer, was worth 16.1. And that’s excluding two of his seasons cause I didn’t feel like looking up his WAR for 2001 and 2000.
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