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Twinkie Town 2010 Top 50...Voting for Prospect Number 16!

In the previous round, Carlos Gutierrez led Adrian Salcedo by only three votes.  This tight finish caused another runoff in which 124 votes were cast.  As of our 3pm cutoff, Carlos Gutierrez had 62 votes as did Adrian Salcedo.  Thus, they will finish in our first tie, for fourteenth place.  Congratulations to both Carlos and Adrian!

We now move on to voting for the Sixteenth best prospect in the Twins system.  By virtue of only receiving three votes combined in the last round, Danny Rams and Billy Bullock will be dropped from this round.  The four players added for voting are:  Tyler Robertson, Steven Tolleson, Michael McCardell and Jorge Polanco, who is another sixteen year from the Dominican Republic who was signed this past summer.

Your suggestions for players to be added to future rounds continue to be needed. 

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The Top fifteen prospects are:     1) Miguel Jean; 2) Aaron Hicks; 3) Wilson Ramos; 4) Kyle Gibson; 5) Ben Revere; 6) Danny Valencia; 7) Angel Morales; 8) David Bromberg; 9) Rene Tosoni; 10) Deolis Guerra; 11) Chris Parmelee; 12) Anthony Slama; 13) Max Kepler-Rozycki; 14-tie) Carlos Gutierrez and Adrian Salcedo.

Poll
Who is the SIXTEENTH best prospect in the Twins system?
Joe Benson
47 votes
Alex Burnett
24 votes
B. J. Hermsen
14 votes
Jeff Manship
17 votes
Michael McCardell
4 votes
Jorge Polanco
1 votes
Tyler Robertson
7 votes
Steven Tolleson
4 votes

118 votes | Poll has closed

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Not elected yet - various lists

From BP list:
10. Joe Benson, OF
11. Billy Bullock, RHP
12. Jeff Manship, RHP:
13. Tyler Robertson, LHP:

From Sickels:
6) Billy Bullock, RHP, Grade B-: Borderline C+; great stuff but will he throw strikes?
12) Joe Benson, OF, Grade C+: Excellent tools and is showing signs of skill development. Could also rank as high as seventh.
14) B.J. Hermsen, RHP, Grade C+: Great rookie ball performance, projectable, need data from higher levels.
15) Ben Tootle, RHP, Grade C+: High-ceiling arm, needs to improve command.
17) Matt Bashore, LHP, Grade C+: Could rank higher if he stays healthy.
18) Tom Stuifbergen, RHP, Grade C+: Could be a Grade C. Another pitchability guy. Gets lots of grounders.
19) Jeff Manship, RHP, Grade C: Possible fifth starter or long relief type.
20) Tyler Robertson, LHP, Grade C: Stock has dropped a lot, but looks like a potential LOOGY to me.

Hardball Times:
Minnesota Twins
8. Joe Benson: Sporting a bit of that power / speed combination that we all look for, Benson is a likable prospect, but he isn’t a star in the making. Yet, with increased plate coverage and a more consistent swing will come better contact skills to go with his impressive patience. He could be a future fixture in the Twins’ outfield.
10. B.J. Hermsen: Hermsen has the look of a bulldog, but his game in the early going has been all about the control of his low-90s fastball. His upside isn’t ace-like, but I can’t help but be impressed by his pinpoint control at this point. We will certainly know more next year when he faces A-ball competition.

CBS fantasy:
5. Tyler Robertson, SP, 22
Baseball America wasn’t jazzed about this guy a year ago, ranking him 12th in the organization, whereas we saw him in their top five. BA’s ranking should rise after he went a solid 8-8 with a 3.33 ERA, 103 strikeouts and a .259 batting-average against in 143 1/3 innings in high Class A. Robertson should open in Double-A, but seeing the Twins rotation fall apart this season makes us believe he will be in the majors before the end of 2010.

FanGraphs:
6. Joe Benson, OF, High-A
DOB: March 1988 Bats: R Throws: R
Signed: 2006 2nd round – Illinois HS
MLB ETA: Late-2011 40-Man Roster: No Options: 3

The first six prospects on the Top 10 list are all hitters, and Benson makes it four outfielders in the Top 6 picks, so it’s obvious where the organization’s strengths lie. The former prep football player has taken some time to develop his skills on the diamond, but the organization’s patience is starting to pay off. Benson spent the season in high-A ball where he hit .285/.414/.403 as a 21 year old. Injuries limited the outfielder to just 327 plate appearances. In the past, Benson has struggled to get his average above .260 so we must be cautious in our optimism considering that his ‘09 BABIP was rather high at .380. The right-handed hitter showed improvements in his walk rate, which rose from 8.6 to 14.9%. His strikeout rate remained high, though, at 28.1% and it was not justifiable by the .118 ISO rate. Durability is also a concern with Benson, who has appeared in just 149 games over the past two minor league seasons.

7. Jeff Manship, RHP, Majors
DOB: January 1985 Bats: R Throws: R
Signed: 2006 14th round – Notre Dame
MLB ETA: Now 40-Man Roster: Yes Options: 3
Repertoire: 88-92 mph fastball, plus curveball, slider, change-up

Manship made his MLB debut in ‘09 and proved to be a valuable arm for the club, as he made five starts and six relief appearances. Overall, he allowed a few too many hits with 39 in 31.2 innings, and he struggled with his control by posting an unusually-high walk rate of 4.26 BB/9. Manship began the season by making 13 starts in double-A before moving up to triple-A, where he started another eight games. With a four-pitch mix and a plus breaking ball, Manship has the potential to be a No. 4 starter for the Twins, but he’ll have to improve his high-80s fastball (-1.87 runs above average per 100). He also needs to throw a few more first-pitch strikes, as his rate of 52.7% was 6% below the league average.
10. Tyler Robertson, LHP, High-A
DOB: December 1987 Bats: L Throws: L
Signed: 2006 3rd round – California HS
MLB ETA: Late-2011 40-Man Roster: No Options: 3
Repertoire: 88-93 mph fastball, plus slider, change-up

Robertson sneaks on to the back-end of the Top 10 list thanks to his youthfulness (22), his handedness (southpaw) and his ground-ball tendencies (career 52.6%). The young left-hander needs to miss a few more bats, though, to truly take his game to the next level; he posted a strikeout rate of just 6.47 K/9 in high-A. He does a nice job of keeping the ball in the park and posted a home-run rate of 0.44 HR/9. Interestingly, his BABIP has decreased each season since his debut year of ‘06, and it reached a low of .305 in ‘09. Robertson has had some pretty extreme splits over the past two seasons. This past season, left-handed batters hit .200 with a strikeout rate of 7.33, compared to right-handers with a .300 average and 5.61 K/9 rate.

by DJL44 on Dec 18, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Joe Benson is the consensus pick

If you look across those, he’s rated above 16 by everyone else

by DJL44 on Dec 18, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

he was my vote this time

"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 18, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Flip him and Parmelee

(assuming he gets elected here) and I like the list a whole lot better.

by DJL44 on Dec 18, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

or Benson and Kepler

they should be flipped IMO.

Rene Tosoni is good.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 18, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike McCardell

Drafted by the Twins in the 6th round of the 2007 draft out of Kutztown U.
Bats: Right , Throws: Right
Height: 6’ 5" , Weight: 220 lb.
DOB: 4/13/85

Baseball Reference Page

142 IP, no relief in High A and AA last year – 2.0 BB/9 7.5 K/9 3.69 K/BB 4.0ERA

by DJL44 on Dec 18, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

McCardell...

…was also USA Today’s selection as the Twins Minor League Player of the Year in 2008. Whatever that is worth?

by roger13 on Dec 18, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't it odd...

…that a player who was one of the top pitchers in the FSL two years ago can’t get what Rodney Dangerfield would call “respect?” Jeff Manship was the starting pitcher in the FSL all-star game two years ago, immediately moving up to New Britain following the game. He then was solid for about a year at New Britain before moving up to AAA where he did very well. Earning a late season 2009 callup by the Twins, he played a big role in their making game 163 that last weekend.

I just find it hard to understand why someone who has moved this fast and done as well as he has, including pitching at the major league level, can’t get more votes as we now are voting for prospect #16.

by roger13 on Dec 18, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

And I also didn't vote for Manship, he would be my next choice.

…My vote went for the pitcher that I had rated as the top pitcher in the organization this year, Alex Burnett, who I believe will be the Twins closer three or four years from now.

by roger13 on Dec 18, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Manship's next on my list too

There’s something to be said about holding your own in the majors, especially when nobody else can say the same. Manship has run the gauntlet all the way to AAA and was just as impressive at the lower levels as the other guys.

by DJL44 on Dec 18, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I did pick Manship

I think we’re at the point of who could be a solid Major League player (maybe not a star). My next choice would be Tolleson. Starting Pitchers and shortstops.

by b1 on Dec 18, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it will be Manship or Burnett next for me

not sure which yet

"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 18, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, assuming Benson comes in at #16

(which BTW, I think is underrating Benson a little bit)

1 of Manship, Burnett, or Bullock would have to be #17 for me
-With Michael McCardell, Tyler Robertson right behind them

BTW, heres one to add for next round Matthew Bashore

Rene Tosoni is good.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 18, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll probably look at Bullock for a vote soon too

But also Hermsen in there somewhere

"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 18, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Manship reminds me of

Duensing from last year in terms of being overlooked a bit. Remember, some people couln’t find room for Duensing in their Top 25. I like Manship’s repertoire better than Duensing’s, but he still somehow strikes me as being a #5-6 guy at the end of the day. In terms of upside, Burnett, Bullock, Hermsen, and others impress me as much or more than Manship. Robertson, Weller, Bashore, Tootle aren’t far behind, are they?

by shrike on Dec 18, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

The thing with Manship is that he seems to have slowly degressed as he went higher up the organizational ladder, but his overall numbers are pretty good in the minors. Tyler Robertson on the other hand looks a lot better – even though he repeated at Fort Meyers. Tolleson’s ceiling is really just a bench player – his numbers are not that good in the minors. I decided on Robertson.

by hitormiss1414 on Dec 18, 2009 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

You convinced me Roger

I went with Manship. He may not have huge upside, but he strikes me as someone who will continually adapt, and someone whose upside to me is unspectacular #3-4—someone like Blackburn. Also someone who will be around for several years and never become too expensive. (This is his upside—maybe not Salcedo ace potential, but more easily realized.)

by Han Joelo on Dec 18, 2009 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

I'm saying Benson

I am apparently a bigger sucker for athleticism than I realized

by fetch9 on Dec 18, 2009 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

Plouffe,Rams,Tolleson,Delaney

All start to fit in here. After Benson I see no other outfielders Herrmann,Liddle?
 I loved the years Lis, Dinkelman, Robbins, Portes and Singleton all had, but non were put on the 40 man roster. These guys are all getting older and have no AAA experience. Rochester Is going to be interesting Hughes, Valencia, Plouffe, Tolleson, Tolbert, Dinkelman,Lis,Robbins. I see some of the extra infielders converting to Left field with Portes. Pridie and Roberts in CF I’d love to see Winfree back in RF. Fox might be a surprise this year or waldrop.

by b1 on Dec 19, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Good Sign

It is a good sign for the Twins’ future that they have talent in the minors. I posted earlier that I thought Benson would be a better major leaguer than Revere or Tosoni. Burnett, Hermsen, and McCardell all look to have quite a bit of promise. Even if the Twins lose players from the big team in the coming years, they will have talent to fill the gaps.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Dec 19, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

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