Position Players: Are the Twins Already Better Than Last Year?
Maybe.
In 2009 our Twins won 87 games with the help of game 163, and luckily for us 87 wins was enough to at least make an appearance in the playoffs. This usually isn't the case. Nevertheless, WAR agrees with the win totals as Minnesota's hitters and pitchers were a combined 37.9 wins above replacement.
A team full of replacement-level players is still expected to win 49 games. Those additional 38 wins give us, you guessed it, 87 wins.
It gets tricky when you want to predict how your team will do next season because you have to take so many things into account. Like Dave Cameron said over at FanGraphs on Monday:
Injuries, clutch hitting, variance in run distribution – all of these are subject to extreme amounts of regression, and they all had a significant impact on how some teams performed last year, both in terms of "raw" wins and losses and things like runs scored and runs allowed. You cannot just look at a team’s prior year won loss record – or even their pythagorean record – make some adjustments for the off-season transactions, and presume that’s a good enough estimator of true talent for the 2010 team.
So, what are we left with? Projections. What do next years's WAR projections say about Minnesota's 2010 win totals?
Catchers
| Name | '09 WAR | Projected '10 WAR |
| Joe Mauer | 8.2 | 7.3 |
| Jose Morales | 0.7 | 0.7 |
| Drew Butera | -- | -0.2 |
| Catcher Totals | 9.0 | 7.8 |
Regression is a big part of trying to project accurately, and that's where we lose almost a whole win off of Mauer's value alone. Still, a 7.3-win catcher is a luxury no matter what way you look at it, and it predicts Joe for a .336/.419/.536 triple slash. That's still pretty good. But I've been wrong before.
Morales, on the other hand, may not have the value in his bat but that will be more than made up for by the extra time he'll be putting in behind the dish now that Mike Redmond's tenure is over. Butera, or whatever catcher the Twins choose to use as their third-string guy from time to time next summer, won't be likely to contribute positively in very limited time.
Infielders
| Name | '09 WAR | Projected '10 WAR |
| Justin Morneau | 3.2 | 3.9 |
| Nick Punto | 1.3 | 1.6 |
| J.J. Hardy | 1.4 | 3.3 |
| Brendan Harris | -0.2 | 0.2 |
| Alexi Casilla | -1.4 | -0.5 |
| Matt Tolbert | -0.2 | 0.0 |
| Daniel Valencia | -- | 0.3 |
| Luke Hughes | -- | -0.4 |
| Trevor Plouffe | -- | -0.3 |
| Steve Tolleson | -- | -0.4 |
| Infielder Totals | 5.2 | 7.7 |
This is an area that can still be upgraded, particularly at third base. A full season by Morneau and a moderate rebound at the dish by Hardy (projected at .263/.323/.426) and there are already two 3+ win players in the infield, which is a great start.
Last season Joe Crede was 1.9 wins above replacement, but that was entirely due to his fielding. Grabbing a guy who can play more often and get on base more often, even if he doesn't play the premium defense Crede did, would still constitute something more than a marginal upgrade over whatever combination of third basemen the Twins could use.
Surprisingly enough Punto's defense, versatily and the positions involved make him worth the contract he's playing under. In 2008 he was a 2.5 win player. He struggled early in 2009 in all phases, but a decent push at the end of the season at the plate and surprisingly resurgent defense made him the super utility player he's been for the Twins for years. With a marginal improvement he can be a 1.6 win player and, at second base, that's more than acceptable.
Bill James projects Danny Valencia to hit .276/.323/.447 next season, over 282 plate appearances. Right now not only do I doubt that Valencia would get that much playing time, but I doubt he'd be able to match James' optimistic hitting line. If he did manage it, somehow, and played decent defense besides, he'd easily out-perform my 0.3 WAR projection.
Outfielders
| Name | '09 WAR | Projected '10 WAR |
| Delmon Young | -1.3 | 0.0 |
| Denard Span | 3.8 | 4.1 |
| Michael Cuddyer | 2.0 | 1.9 |
| Jason Kubel | 2.9 | 2.1 |
| Jason Pridie | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| Dustin Martin | -- | -0.1 |
| David Winfree | -- | -0.2 |
| Outfielder Totals | 8.1 | 7.8 |
To me, some of these projections look a little optimistic. Over at FanGraphs, Span's .301/.385/.399 projected line looks ideal, especially over 151 games. This, however, isn't the largest difference for an outfielder between '09 and the '10 projections--that honor goes to Young. Young's projected impact at the plate, improved to .291/.326/440 would be a career-best and would off-set his terrible defense to make him a win-neutral player. At face value that's not great, but anytime a player can be 1.3 wins better than he was the previous year it's a big improvement.
None of the available in-house backout outfielders figure to make much of an impact, which isn't much of a surprise. This is where signing a versatilve veteran for a million or two as a backup, a guy who would be worth even just one win, makes a lot of sense.
Cuddyer's second career year in '09 means some regression is likely, but in regards to Kubel I think this is probably the one pessimistic projection. Even if he spends most of his time as a designated hitter, which he should, it's easy for me to see Jason duplicating (if not improving) on the offensive numbers he put up last summer. If he can do that, Kubel could be a 3+ win player again.
Side by side, on position players alone our 2010 (23.3 WAR) projections have us as a single win better than their 2009 (22.3 WAR) counterparts. Any good sabermetrician will tell you that marginal wins in the upper-80's are always the most difficult to come by, because usually they require you to pay more money. At least in the Twins case we're finding this to be true, because although it's circumstantial we already know that next summer's opening day payroll will be far and away a franchise record.
Tonight we'll look at the pitching side of things to give us a complete picture. A pitching staff worth 15 wins means the Twins could be an 87-win team again in '10. A 20-win staff would mean a 92-win team. At least on paper.
I'll see you tonight!
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Nice Roundup
I believe that the Twins will be better than last year. The addition of Hardy, though at the expense of the top CF in the league, was huge.
Twins now must make up their mind between improving at 3B or 2B. If they go 2B, Lopez and Hudson are available as FA, with Uggla as a trade. That would see a significant improvement in the WAR from 2B. However, if they decide they want to improve 3B more, then Beltre is the option I would go with on FA, or I would trade for Kouz. Either way, we should see a 1.5+ WAR improvement when/if the Twins improve one of those positions.
Personally, now that the Giants signed DeRosa, I think the Pads will trade Kouz straight up for Perkins.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Really?
the top CF in the league,
Really?
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
While this post will be hard to read in detail,
it wont be that hard to decipher that over the past two years, Carlos Gomez is ranked
15th most “valuable” CF in the AL alone.
Name Team Batting Fielding Replacement Positional RAR WAR Dollars
Change page: < 1 2 > | Displaying page 1 of 2, items 1 to 35 of 38.
Grady Sizemore Indians 43.6 -1.1 41.6 1.6 85.6 8.5 $38.4
Franklin Gutierrez – - – -0.7 50.0 35.6 -3.4 81.4 8.1 $36.6
B.J. Upton Rays 5.8 21.3 42.2 4.3 73.7 7.4 $33.1
Curtis Granderson Tigers 29.0 -7.2 44.6 4.6 71.1 7.1 $31.9
Denard Span Twins 31.3 3.1 36.2 -6.2 64.5 6.4 $29.0
Torii Hunter Angels 34.3 -12.8 37.1 2.5 61.2 6.1 $27.5
Marlon Byrd Rangers 20.5 6.2 35.4 -2.8 59.3 5.9 $26.6
Ryan Sweeney Athletics 3.7 28.7 32.2 -5.8 58.9 5.9 $26.5
Josh Hamilton Rangers 26.9 -2.8 35.6 -2.4 57.4 5.7 $25.8
Alex Rios – - – 0.9 17.9 44.0 -7.8 55.0 5.5 $24.7
Jacoby Ellsbury Red Sox 11.8 -2.1 43.4 -0.8 52.3 5.2 $23.5
Rajai Davis Athletics 6.8 18.1 21.3 1.8 48.0 4.8 $21.6
Adam Jones Orioles -0.7 5.2 34.4 3.9 42.9 4.3 $19.3
Brett Gardner Yankees -3.0 19.9 14.2 1.1 32.1 3.2 $14.4
Carlos Gomez Twins -30.4 23.8 32.1 4.3 29.8 3.0 $13.4
Coco Crisp – - – 0.3 -4.1 20.8 2.6 19.6 2.0 $8.8
Melky Cabrera Yankees -14.5 -0.6 33.1 -0.9 17.1 1.7 $7.7
Scott Podsednik White Sox 2.4 -1.4 19.6 -4.0 16.6 1.7 $7.5
I’m not saying Gomez isn’t ‘better’ than 15th in the AL now and I am certainly not saying Gomez won’t move up those ranks considerably as he matures. I am saying that this very short bit of research should be enough to keep people from making such ridiculously hyperbolic statements such as
the top CF in the league,
(at least if those people want to have their comments taken seriously)
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
in defense
Gomez, at least in 2008 (before his bench job in 09) was the best defensive CF.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
yeah I thought it was clear you were talking about defense
my floor is looking pretty dirty... BETTER GET OUT THE BROOM!!!
by natetheskate on Dec 31, 2009 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
Just for grins
What are the numbers for Kouz, Beltre & Hudson. I’d like to have Punto’s 1 WAR on the bench.
WAR at 3rd for the past two years:
Beltre 6.4
Kouz 5.5
Orlando Hudson (at 2nd) 4.9
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
this suggests
Kouz would be a STEAL at the price of Perkins (1.1 WAR last year). And a VERY good value at Perkins + a prospect.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
darn it I wish we could edit our own comments...
OK, Kouz would not be a STEAL, but a very good value for Perkins straight up.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 30, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
You seem to be having a pretty intense conversation with yourself here.
What does montanatwinsfan think, though?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Maybe he is typing in responses from his wife
She has trouble without opposable thumbs
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 31, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hudson was worth
13 million, Kouz 12.2, and Beltre 10.7
I am not sure a 1 WAR for Punto is worth 4 million.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
correction,
Fangraphs says Punto’s 1.3 WAR last year is worth $5.8
… I find that difficult to swallow.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
He's worth that only when looking at straight $/WAR
The problem is that you could find someone similar for cheaper, so he really isn’t worth it. Jamey Carrol comes to mind.
by Steven Ellingson on Dec 30, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would say yes, definitely
Though, I’m hoping they add at least one more infielder.
Health is a big issue
I don’t think Mauer will repeat last years line but he will play (hopefully) all season, as would Morneau. The fangraph value (if I’m reading it right) predicts he’ll play in 136 games next season – two less than this year. A full, healthy season from both M&Ms could add nearly two wins by itself.
1 win improvement?
I’m a bit skeptical of that for a few reasons.
1) Pavano was a huge upgrade in the rotation last season. If he pitches the same as he did this year (and I think you could argue that he might even improve on that a bit), you have at least another win or two…
2) Hardy is a huge upgrade at short where I’m fairly certain we were in negative territory.
3) Mauer and Morneau will hopefully have full seasons, and given their ages, it is quite possible that both will improve a bit. I know they are pegged to regress, but I’m not so sure that is accurate. I don’t expect much regression out of Kubel either. I do agree on Cuddy.
The big wild card is Delmon. He was a different player in the second half of the season. He changed his batting stance quite a bit so that it is much more smooth and he took more pitches (even though he still didn’t walk much). I’m not expecting him to be an OBP machine, but I would not be shocked in the least if he had a break out season either. He’s starting to come around… He could also duplicate last year as well… you really just don’t know. His key will be to get off to a decent start.
That said I’m guessing we are closer to 92 wins than 89… that’s just me, but we are already a much better team. If we manage to add a 2B and 3B, we could easily go into the 95-97 win range. I’d still like to see us bring back Crede cheaply. At his worst, he would probably duplicate last season, and at his best he could be a substantial upgrade. I’d be happy adding 1-2 wins at 3rd and somehow getting Uggla or Phillips to play second.
by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 31, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions
Just a couple of things...
First, Pavano isn’t included in this part of the equation. Second, Hardy is an improvent, and that’s listed. Third, while Morneau is actually listed to improve after missing time last season, having Mauer actually improve on last season is borderline almost unrealistic…that’s how good of a season 2009 was for him. Even if he plays all six months of the season, it would balance his win totals a bit, but 8-win seasons for anyone not named Pujols are few and far between.
I agree that Delmon is a wild card. If he can be a decent #7 hitter with some power I’d be happy.
Just an extra month of Mauer and an extra month of Morneau ought to equal a couple of wins
Three extra months of Slowey gets you at least one more. Add Pavano and Hardy for a win apiece and I think five extra wins is not out of the question.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Someone else gets hurt to offset that
Counting on perfect health from everyone is a fool’s plan. See Cuddyer 2008.
Yes but few players can offset Mauer or Morneau being more healthy
If Cuddyer gets injured again, you can move Kubel out there and call up a bat to DH without too much of a loss. THe drop from Mauer to Morales, on the other hand, is several wins a year.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Young as "win neutral"
ummm…nope. If Delmon were projecting as “win neutral”, that would mean MLB average, correct? This (optimistic) projection puts him at replacement level (0.0 WAR), in other words decidedly below MLB average. This is my biggest problem with Delmon, especially projecting as an every day player. Unless he has a significant upgrade defensively, even if he improves his offense up to around the 800 OPS level, he still projects at around replacement level. Unfortunately we couldn’t get anyone to buy on his “potential”. For a contending ball club, 600+ plate appearances of roughly replacement level LF is not going to do much.

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