Twinkie Town 2010 Top 50...Voting for Number 3
Congratulations to former first round pick, Aaron Hicks, who was voted the Twinkie Town 2010 Top 50 second best prospect. Hicks led the voting with 132 votes. Wilson Ramos was second with 94 votes with this past season's top pick, Kyle Gibson, coming in third with 83 votes. A total of 458 votes were cast as of our 3pm cut-off.
Rene Tosoni and Adrian Salcedo did not reach the 5% minimum and will be dropped from the next round. Several of you asked that both David Bromberg and Angel Morales be brought back for this round. Seth requested Joe Benson, thus the third round will include Bromberg, Morales and Benson.
There has been some concern that some may be voting more than once, especially concerning our first selection. I have checked and found that it is possible. This is not American Idol where fans are expected to vote often. We want this Top 50 to be representative of the fans and readers of Twinkie Town and not the personal selection of one individual. Thus, please limit your voting to once per round.
Please include in the comments section those players you believe should be added to the following round.
The selections made to date are:
1 - Miguel Jean (fka Miguel Angel Sano)
2 - Aaron Hicks
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Gibson
I voted for Gibson, although I predict Ramos will likely win this round.
I agree
Gibson is too good not to vote for
The Hochevar Principle: The future comes to all teams. Some teams wait for it. Those teams finish in last place a lot.
Dido
Good Pitchers always move right up the Twins system, and they produce. Slowey,Garza,Baker,Swarzac,Manship,Perkins,Duensing. The hitters seem to take longer to adjust at each level and few produce the fist couple years at the Pro level.
by b1 on Dec 6, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
All of the pitchers you mention were college picks...
….with the exception of Swarzak. Swarzak and Blackburn were younger picks and took a lot longer to go thru the system. Most of the Twins hitters (Mauer, Cuddyer, Morneau, Kubel, Span) were high school draft picks. Same for Hicks, Revere, and Parmalee with Ramos and now the young kids even younger when signed from outside the US.
But
Gibson was out of college, so he is going to shoot through the system. I think that was his point
The Hochevar Principle: The future comes to all teams. Some teams wait for it. Those teams finish in last place a lot.
My response dealt with b1's point that...
…pitchers move through the system faster than hitters. The pitchers he mentioned were mostly college, whereas the hitters were high school. Thus, high school hitters take a lot longer to get to the big leagues than college pitchers that are three years older and more experienced.
It's all a guess
To me a college pitcher choosen 1st round has proved his tallent. It’s hard for me to rank a 16 or 17 year olds tallent level. Go to a High School game and tell me who’s going to do what. It’s just to many years to mature for me to rank some of the younger players high on a Prospect Chart. Thats just my way of thinking. I like to see the players perform at Beloit or Ft Myers Level, but that’s not the Question. Rank all Prospects. The younger players will be a little lower on my list.
by b1 on Dec 6, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Tempted by Gibson
But I have to resist the temptation and stick with my original #1, Ramos.
Exactly the same with me
I’ve voted Ramos #1 for three straight rounds, will continue to do so.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 5, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I went with Ramos
though i would expect Gibson to be #4 (probably)
I think Revere has to come in at #5 or #6 IMO…..
he does far too many things exceptionally well on baseball diamond….
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 5, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions
Where's the love for last year's #1
Danny Valencia?
I’m not voting for him yet, but he was #1 overall last year…
Adam, I think that this past year...
…there have been some questions raised about Danny’s ceiling. Personally, I expect he has an excellent chance of becoming a solid third baseman. Play every day, do an average or slightly above job defensively. Hit for a .280 Average with around 20 home runs and 75-80 RBI. Now that is pretty good, but I see that as the upside and reality could be somewhat else.
All these other kids (Ramos, Gibson, Jean, Hicks) have a much higher upside….heck, they could become superstars. Now only Ramos has seen real success in professional ball with Hicks doing an adequate job in low A ball. But everyone can see each of these guys becomming the next Joe Mauer, Johan Santan, Ernie Banks or Willie Mays. I think that is the difference right now and it really is a huge difference from past seasons doing this voting. The organization potentially has some real super stars.
True enough
Everyone rates prospects differently, most are based on upside. I tend to rank based on the value the prospect woudl garner in a trade (if it were allowed), and I believe Ramos would get us more value than Gibson, Jean or Hicks. Although their upsides may be greater.
For Valencia, being so close to MLB ready, I’d rank him higher than others. Not above Gibson, Ramos or Hicks though.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 5, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Same Here
If Jean or Gibson were so highly rated, other teams had the chance to snap them up—without professional experience. Gibson’s successful rehab may have changed a few teams thinking, but Jean hasn’t done anything besides successfully attain a visa.
It’s a stretch, but by ranking Jean so highly, you could kind of say the Twin’s best prospect is a 12 year old kid they are currently scouting in Venezuela—HUGE upside!
The money is the difference with both Jean and Gibson
Yes, teams had the chance to snap them up, but at a hefty price.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hicks
103 wOBA+ as a 19 yo in a league with an average age of 22. Being a plus defender and a league average hitter while being 3 years younger than the competition is quite an accomplishment.
by Jon Kammerer on Dec 5, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Morales,Parmelee,Revere
Morales is the same age. Had more HR’s,SB’s and 14 points higher AVG. Parmelee showes true Marjor League Power. Revere keeps hitting above .300 and steals 40+ bases and Hicks. Take your pick!!
by b1 on Dec 6, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Morales
I prefer Hicks to Morales because he has better plate discipline and more defensive value. Morales strikes out a ton, which can be a red flag. But I agree that Morales should be in the discussion. His wOBA+ was 115 as a 19yo in the Midwest league. For comparison, Kubel posted a wOBA+ of 115 this year.
by Jon Kammerer on Dec 6, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
High A, AA
Just think, Morales,Hicks at Ft Myers and Benson, Revere, Parmelee at AA. Let the Games begin.
by b1 on Dec 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Morales has been working on his strikeouts...
…He cut the rate from nearly 40% at Elizabethton in 2008 to 27% at Beloit in 2009. If he can make any progress the next two years at Ft. Myers and then New Britain, he will be very special.
I dont dislike Morales
but his one good year was all BABIP. He has a lot of power, but I dont think he’ll ever control the strike zone very well.
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I don't think Valencia ever was the #1 prospect in the system
and in the last year the Twins system has gotten much stronger.
Hicks added productive time in the system. Revere had a terrific season. Ramos has played well at every opportunity he has been given.
And the acquisitions of Gibson and Jean/Sano were huge.
Last year, Valencia was a dubious #1 in a weak system. This year he is probably #6 in a pretty solid system.
by ckb on Dec 5, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
I didn’t vote for Valencia as #1 last year, but he came out #1 on this site’s voting. I agree that the additions of Jean and Gibson, as well as continued development from Hicks, Ramos, etc have bumped him down a bit.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 5, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
last year
If I recall the vote last year, Valencia may have received a late bunch of votes in large quantities as well. Not that she shouldn’t have been considered, but it was what it was.
Ramos
I’m ok with voting for potrntial and all. But I can’t vote for anyone that hasn’t played at all this early, especially when there are several high ceiling players in the High A and above. I went with Ramos, I think he should have been number 1 and I won’t stop voting till he wins his place……That is I’ll vote once per day until he gets his ranking…..
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Keep most the same names for next round
This is going to be a 2 man race between Ramos and Gibson.
That’s why I hope prospects like Bromberg, Valencia, Morales, and Revere won’t be taken off, because one of them could win the next round.
by TwinkieBaseball on Dec 5, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Went with the catcher.
"I couldn't do that. Could you do that? Why can they do it? Who are those guys?"
Agreed, catchers are valuable
I keep seeing people say Ramos could hit 20-25 HR in the bigs with above average defense. That’s an all-star catcher, equivalent to a 40HR outfielder. Our current catcher hit 28HR and was the MVP.
Went with the second-best outfielder in the system, Angel Morales.
In my rankings, Morales is the second best prospect in the organization.
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You're evaluating a 20-year old prospect by one seaons' batting average?
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Agreed
I’d have felt very High on him if his AVG was.290 or better. One of the 5 tools is AVG. If he can bring up his AVG, he’ll have a high cieling. Lets hope! .290,power and speed!
by b1 on Dec 6, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, I should have used the sarcastic tag on my last tweet.
I couldn’t disagree more with your view. Batting average means relatively little when on-base-percentage is available. Besides, you don’t use stats as a primary evaluation tool for the lower minor leagues. Besides, for a guy capable of hitting 30 home runs per year in the Bigs, his batting average isn’t nearly as important as his OBP, which was low this year partially because of a career-low BABIP.
Maybe you’ll be happy with this stat: Versus starting pitchers this past year, Morales hit .291/.354/.547.
But, again, statistics are pretty much worthless when evaluating players in the low levels. We have to rely much more on scouting reports and scouts and coaches. And yes, batting for average is one of the five “tools.” So is hitting for power, baserunning abilities, throwing power, and fielding ability, all of which Morales can do exceptionally well.
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Wilson Ramos
I went with him becuase he is only 21 and held his own at AA with a .317/.341/.454 line. He also had 19 ABs in GCL this year and had 3 home runs in limited action. Granted it was the GCL league, but that is pretty impressive for only 19 ABs. I would like his OPS of 790 to be a little higher, but being one the youngest in AA, that is pretty darn good.
Rams
If Ramos is the best catching prospect, were does Rams fit in. Young with good power. Also, were does Tippett fit in.
I would guess 15-25 range
Probably closer to 15. His bat is so good, that he doesn’t need to stick at at catcher, and probably won’t. I would argue he has a top 3 or top 5 bat in the Twins minor leagues right now
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I toyed with adding him to my top 25. He's in the low 30s in my ranking in the Twins system
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I mean the high 30s--31 to be exact
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