Winter Meetings Open Thread, Wednesday: Kouzmanoff, Perkins, Quinlan
by Jesse on Dec 9, 2009 7:58 AM EST
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5:25 pm - This from ESPN's Jayson Stark: the Padres are making a hard push to move Kouzmanoff.
5:20 pm - HAPPY BIRTHDAY JON MARTHALER!
4:25 pm - Ummm....get this...Rich Harden? Yeah. He's signing with the Texas Rangers.
That's kind of a double-whammy for the Mariners, isn't it? Bit of a shock, for sure.
3:50 pm - More Olney: Rich Harden is on the verge of signing with...someone? No news on who. What are the chances that the mystery team is the Twins? Right now the rotation is probably guaranteed in four of five spots, but this would be a huge signing for Minnesota with big-time repurcussions.
What say you? Is it even possible? Rumor has it that the Mariners have been hot on his trail, but it could be someone else...
2:55 pm - Buster Olney tweets that the Twins and Padres "have had several discussions about Kevin Kouzmanoff".
2:45 pm - Kelsie Smith tweets that that the Twins' talks with Mark DeRosa's agent were "preliminary".
1:35 pm - A quiet afternoon for the Twins so far, but Ken Rosenthal tweets that LaTroy Hawkins will be pitching for the Brewers next year. Flame on, LaTroy!
10:50 am - Some highlights from LEN III's morning update, I suggest you pop over for a gander...
- The Twins met with DeRosa's agent yesterday. Neal admits that DeRosa's been rumored to be asking for three years and $27 million, but also believes that a wave of non-tenders this weekend could drive down prices.
- The agents for Pedro Feliz? They're getting the silent treatment. Can you just see Bill Smith, Rob Antony and company whistling and looking the other way as Feliz's agents walk by in the lobby?
- Nothing is imminent with Quinlan.
- This is surprising: the Twins tried to sign Boof to a one-year deal recently and were turned down. Looks like it was either one or the other, and we know how that story turns out.
9:40 am - Over at MLB Trade Rumors, Tim Dierkes rounds up the speculation over who Minnesota's likely third base targets are. He mentions the usuals: Adrian Beltre, Mark DeRosa and Felipe Lopez. And then he adds another one...Juan Uribe. Out of all of those players, the last one I would want would be Uribe.
Adding Joe Crede and Kevin Kouzmanoff to that list, and now we finally have a solid group of players to speculate on. Out of those six, who do you prefer?
7:15 am - A couple things I've read this morning...
First, "talks with Joe Crede are progressing slowly" with the Twins. That's interesting. I would have thought the Twins might try something else before going back to Crede, but perhaps they're just trying to keep their foot in the door.
LEN III in his late-late-late edition last night also said the Twins have interest in Mark DeRosa. Now, this isn't necessarily a surprise, but it's the first we've heard his name tied to the Twins this week.
6:50 am - Wrapping up the last two days before we get into what could be a very interesting day 3...
1. Carl Pavano accepted arbitration. The number people seem to be throwing out there is $7 million, although if the Twins sign him for two years they might be able to get away with $5 million per.
2. The biggest tidbit to come out of Tuesday involved the Twins and Padres discussing a Glen Perkins/Kevin Kouzmanoff swap. San Diego rejected the one-for-one deal, as they're looking for more. The Padres also were linked by Kouz to the Giants yesterday, but once again were looking for more than San Francisco's initial offer.
3. Speaking of the Giants, it sounds like they're shying away from Dan Uggla. The Orioles remain interested, but what about the Twins?
4. The sad news from yesterday: Boof Bonser was designated for assignment. I'm confident he'll sign on with somebody, and be able to contribute in 2010.
5. The Twins are also rumored to be interested in utility man Robb Quinlan, probably as a fourth outfielder.
6. There were a lot of rumors yesterday evening about three teams (one being the Cubs) and a number of players (one being Milton Bradley). A report from earlier in the evening said one team was a "surprise" American League club. Would the Twins be interested in moving Delmon Young in order to fit Bradley? How would you feel about a Michael Cuddyer/Denard Span/Milton Bradley outfield?
7. As we continue to discuss the Winter Meetings at length on the main page, don't forget to vote for the next top prospect! Every day Roger (in conjunction with Seth Stohs) is asking you: who is the next best prospect? If you haven't yet, head over to the FanPosts and vote on yesterday's ballot, and be sure to make your voice heard this afternoon on the next one.
8. Last but certainly not least, be sure to check out our own Jon Marthaler on Seth's podcast!
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for me its a big no
on Milton Bradley
however, good write-up Jesse…..
(I would approve of Bradley’s defense over Delmon Young’s, but not the offense that is to come)
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 9, 2009 8:11 AM EST reply actions
In terms of production alone
I’m pretty sure Bradley’s offense would be a huge upgrade. Last year was a career worst and he was still about league average. He’s still only a year removed from a couple monster seasons and a string of highly productive seasons before that.
He’s only 31. He should bounce back at least somewhat. That’d make him a much better player than Delmon Young.
That said, he’s too expensive and too much of a headcase.
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Too much.....
Even if you could trade out Delmon, would rather have the potential of Delmon than the issues of Bradley.
Plus, he’s overpaid…especially if he only plays when he wants to play.
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On the subject of Milton Bradley...
…OH MY GOD NO.
It would be a total personality clash, and the resultant drama would be a distraction all season long.
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by Robin G on Dec 9, 2009 8:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
Hard to imagine that the MN Twins would want to add Bradley’s personality and contract.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
He throws live balls into the stands
Who doesn’t like souvenirs?
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 9, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Im getting the dull rusty spoon ready just incase
But seriously, I don’t want a nutcase on the team. He may have talent, but you can negat that talent and bring the rest of the team down and this would be the case. Big Pass on this PLEASE!
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
well
it may not be the Twins. It is probably somebody like the Red Sox or Os that are looking at him.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
In all seriousness
No, I don’t want him in a Twins uniform either. He’d a side show.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 9, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
nononononono to Bradley
we don’t need someone who tears their ACL when arguing with an ump
and it’s not like he’s THAT great
Random thoughts so far...
- Pavano accepting arbitration probably means we’re done with starting pitching. The 1-4 spots in the rotation are now filled with Baker, Slowey, Blackburn and Pavano. A bunch are in the mix for #5, which is healthy. My hope is that Liriano bounces back in the #5 spot. But our hopes of Harden, Bedard, etc are probably gone, unless we pull off something dramatic with one of the top four.
- I like the idea of getting Kouzmanoff for Perkins+, but blocking a much cheaper Danny Valencia concerns me. IMO, Danny could use another half season in AAA, and Kouz would give us a major upgrade over in house options this year. Then if Valencia tears up AAA, we could be in a good situation by mid year.
- If all things were equal, I’d like to see Milton Bradley for Delmon Young+, I would put Bradley at DH and Kubel in left. The problem is (a) obviously Bradley’s attitude problems, and (b) if we’re going to spend $5-10M, I want it to be on 2B or 3B.
- I don’t see Quinlan being our 4th outfielder / utility guy. Who backs up Span in CF? Sure, he could play nearly every day, but I’d rather see a guy who can play center. I would still be interested in Quinlan as a bench option / RH bat, backup to Morneau.
- Hopefully we’ll be able to get a A-AA prospect for Boof now. Keppel and Harris’ days are numbered the next time we add a player.
- I’m getting more down on Uggla every day. He would be a nice, productive option at 2B, but he’s going to get quite expensive very quickly.
Hey Adam
lets say we were to throw in Valencia along with Glen Perkins to the Padres
I bet we could get a return of not only Kouzmanoff but maybe Heath Bell also…..
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 9, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
An interesting idea
but I don’t see Perkins + Valencia being enough to get Bell and Kouz. If we traded for Kouz, I’d look at packaging Valencia to a team in need of a 3B, perhaps the Angels, Marlins, ?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
No on Bradley
Regardless of what we think about his ability as a player, the Twins care a lot about character, especially in the clubhouse and dugout. We have a better chance of a blizzard in Hell than getting Bradley on this team.
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Kouz, yes
Bradley, no way. Not worth the issues there at all. I dont see any positive to bringing him here.
Even with Pavano staying put, we may go after one more decent pitcher to add to the rotation. I dont think we are done there.
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"That is the craziest sonofabitch I ever saw, how many more like him do you think are up there?"
"We have clearance Clearance. Roger Rodger, what's our vector Victor?"
Josh Johnson
For those of you who are still interested in the Marlins’ Josh Johnson, apparently the Rangers offered up Neftali Feliz and Justin Smoak.
If Florida didn’t accept that offer, I don’t think there’s any chance we’d be able to get him. Feliz (if he were still a prospect) and Smoak would be #1 and #2 prospects in our system, easily IMO. If I’m Florida and I think there is ANY chance I’m moving Johnson, I’d jump at that offer in a heartbeat.
Wow
Smoak is their top prospect too.
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Yep, and if Feliz were still a prospect, he'd be right there as well.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I was rather shocked when I saw that
Howerver….
1 It hasn’t been completely proven true (I Think The Rangers brass is denying any such offer was ever made)
2. the Twins could still match that sort of, well not the quality but they could go more for quantity of 4 or 5 players to come close to matching the overall quality the Rangers are said to give up in Feliz and Smoak.
However, that said especially in Florida’s situation if this Trade offer is Proven to be legit from Texas, If Florida DOES NOT take that trade I think They’ll never trade Josh Johnson …. That offer is amazing……
Any factual evidence at all towards this rumor?
Carlos Carrasco, Alex White along with Tanner Scheppers to the Twins
Glen Perkins and Beau Mills to the Rangers
Francisco Liriano and the rights to Boof Bonser + a PTBL to the Indians
(will Smoak and Feliz go to Fla. for Josh Johnson?)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 9, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
either
(a) this wasn’t actually an offer (more likely)
or
(b) Florida will never trade Josh Johnson
IMO, they would be crazy to reject that offer.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I just really like the name "Smoak".
It makes him a badass. Like “Blackburn”.
However, I’m sure once Chris Berman reaches his 5,000th Smoak pun I’ll get pretty damn tired of it. (Marlins manager throws Smoak today; Smoak throws smoke; Smoak throws himself; He just got Smoaked; Second-hand Smoak can be dangerous to your health; Where there’s Smoak there’s fire….)
Smoak 'em if you got 'em
Man I need a Smoak
After that I need a Smoak (I hope we hear that one)
Hickory Smoaked (on a broken bat)
As long as Berman changes it up (and he has a lot of room to work), then it won’t get too boring.
At least they're setting their sights high with Perkins
I think as fans we tend to over-value players we’re high on, and undervalue players we’ve soured on, maybe sometimes forgetting context. In Perkins’ case, he’s relatively young and cheap and left-handed, so there is value there.
I personally was surprised (at least when it happened) to get Hardy for Gomez.
I read again FO and Graddy
think Valencia need more time in minors. Lets see—- They were wrong that Span wasn’t ready, they were wrong Gomes was ready, they were wrong on Bartlett, and on Young. Could they be wrong again?
The Twins FO
were hardly wrong with Gomez and Young. In my mind, they both could have been in the minors for at least another year or half a year. Bartlett did not produce with the Twins the way he has with the Rays. Span was not good in the minors so when they did bring him up, he was a pleasant surprise. Therefore, I think you are wrong in your assessment of the Twins FO.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Dec 9, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think
you missed my point. I agree with you they should have been in the Minors, But they were both traded to be starters in Minn. FO missed. Bartlett was a good fit and getting better, FO missed again. Span was a first round draft pick, he should have gotten a call up and started the next year. FO. missed again, paniced and got GO-GO, and missed. Also, I saw some one say Valencia didn’t earn a call up. Well if he didn’t, no one did. FO missed again. You knew Creede was hurt, and Buscher was not in the plans. Give the guy a Sept try out. Can we trust FO. talent evaluations. Thats all. Point is they have made some mistakes I think.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.......
Buscher was not in the 2010 plans. Tolbert IS a reserve and is battling for a roster palce with Harris.
Valencia should’ve been given a call, at least when Huber went down. A late-inning replacement. A bat off the bench. Some time travelling with the major league teams. September is the time to get an advance looksee and see the players against prime competition (which the Twins were doing in September).
Watching him bat in spring training, starting a routine, batting against non-major league guys. He can sink or shine, but September is the best time for a short, sweet look!
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I think Valencia needs more time in the minors as well
While he picked it up late in the season, he struggled a bit and showed almost no patience when he reached AAA (2.9% walk rate). I’m confident that he’ll pick it up just as he’s done at each previous level, but I want to see him do it before I count on Valencia as the every day third baseman for a contender.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it
was the other way around. When Valencia came up to AAA he was tearing up the league, but as the season progressed, the pitchers started to figure it out and started to pitch around him.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Dec 9, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
His problem at AAA was patience
When he came up, the ball was like a beach ball and he hit over .400 for a couple of weeks. Then they stopped throwing him strikes and he didn’t adjust. He was just trying to do too much. Give him a half a season of just being himself (which is a patient hitter who takes what the pitcher gives him) and he’ll be fine.
I don’t think it would be bad to have Kouz in the way. Better to have more bats than you need than too few.
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Ok, But
Why is it ok to have Young start every games with 10 walks a year, GO-GO was no differnt and Creede didn’t have a lot of walks nor does KouZ. I think he’s being held to a higher standard.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
He is
but he’s been the Twin’s prospect his entire time in the minors.
The Twins would not have rushed Gomez to the majors like the Mets did but didn’t want to demote him after trading Santana for him.
Delmon couldn’t go back to the minors after the Twins got him.
And it’d be laughable to try to change the sort of player that Crede is at this point.
But with Valencia the Twins still have the option of getting him work in the minors and making sure that he adjusts to each new level before moving on. That should keep him from changing his offensive approach and becoming a swing-at-everything easy out.
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I just hope they don’t wait to long,ie Buscher,Tiffee, and he’s 27 as a rookie. He’s the same age as Casilla,Slowey and Span.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
He'll be up this year
Just maybe not as a starter
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Valencia.....
Hey, any of the names thrown out can be a stopgap for a year.
The Twins need a second abseman or a third abseman. They COULD survive with Punto and someone else playing one or the other for awhile.
Yes, it would be good for Valencia to start the season at AAA. If the Twins get Kouz…he could last a year, a year plus (then a trade) if he becomes expensive.
The Twins can wait for Crede, but it would probably come down to the end of the winter if they don’t offer guaranteed money and a multi-year contract. Kouz could be anoterh Crede with the bat…average average, ssome pop.
But then it means Punto bats second (or Casilla, or Harris).
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I’m still a bit surprised at the Twins payroll so far, pleasantly but am wondering what it means for other possible acquisitions. I’m almost starting to think the Twins are planning on a 100 million payroll. We’re already at 90 and the Twins still need to re-sign Mauer and if the past is any indicator, we’ll tear up his old contract and start a new one giving him close to 20 million this year. That alone almost raises the payroll to 100 especially when you consider that the Twins seem to still be actively looking for a 3B/2B that will cost 3-5 million (rough estimate).
So I was thinking about how the Twins could cut payroll and there aren’t really any good options. Crain being non-tendered is the only one I saw that makes sense. Our bullpen is pretty strong headed by Nathan, Mijares, Guerrier, and Rauch so seeing Crain go isn’t the end of the world. Those 4 named combined with Neshek, Cisco, and multiple top relief prospects in the upper minors makes Crain dispensible.
The only other name that makes any sense to try and move is Cuddyer. Now I’m not crazy and know this is highly unlikely and am most definitely not a Cuddyer hater. I say this because Cuddyer is a bit overpaid IMO, he would open up 8.5 this year and 10.5 next year. On top of that I think you’d be selling high on him after his huge year. The Twins could put together a package to get someone like Dan Uggla that would replace Cuddyers bat in the lineup and fill 2B.
Then we have another hole that could be filled by possibly maybe Coco Crisp or Ryan Church as both could slide over and play CF if needed.
In the end you’d have the same salary but you’d fill 2B and Church/Crisp would both be decent options in the 2 hole. Not great but at least decent, plus they’d improve our outfield defense.
This got much longer than I intended, just racing thoughts I guess.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
disclaimer
I’m not saying the Twins should trade Cuddy for Uggla, I know that the Marlins wouldn’t want him because of his cost. However, Cuddyer even with a bit of a high salary has value and could return some nice prospects I would think, or even be part of a package for another starter.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
don't believe everything you read...
….we are not at $90mm. More like $85mm, and if they add $$$ this year to Mauer we should be around $90mm. It also includes about 28-29 guys. Well, some of those guys will be in the minors making nothing and JC has them figured in at $400k. I think the Twins will end up at $90mm+ this year, but they aren’t there yet.
If they nontender Crain and make a couple of other similar moves, they'll be at $85 mil
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Bradley would be a huge mistake.
He doesn’t seem like the type of guy that would fit in with the Twins organization all that well. Though we’ll always have the memory of him throwing the ball into the stands with only two outs. Thanks, Milton!
Sounds more and more like Perk is bound to be a trade piece, too. A good idea for this year.
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by fischean on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
"talks with Joe Crede are progressing slowly"
makes perfect sense to me. Twins want to test the waters and know that there are options out there and that Crede will take a low ball deal from us (a contender) before he takes a low ball deal from someone else. No one is hot on Crede, we have Harris until Valencia comes up, we aren’t pressured to deal. On the other hand, don’t shut the door on Crede and his agent because he would be worth it if he is willing to sign the type of contract he signed last year.
all adds up to slow discussion to me
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions
nobody here
dislikes Crede. We just think that the Twins should look at other options before making a decision. No need to rush into a signing without viewing the other cards on the table. If it does come down to Crede, then we will be happy, especially since it wont block Valencia but still give him some time in AAA.
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+1
I totally agree. There is zero reason to move quickly to sign Crede.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Boof
If he was going to arbitration, he was coming off an injury year and a piss-poor 2008. He could’ve gotten $800,000 or so. A nice clump of change. What hurt was that the Twins would need to pay him, and go to spring training with him as a play or cut/release…and would be responsible for the greater portion of his salary.
Of course, he could’ve shined and been the mid-guy the Twins need.
Just a game of numbers.
He could still stay and sign with the Twins…minor/major split.
Yes, the possibilities of him becoming another Grant Balfour are endless, but Grant had numerous injuries befroe coming back.
The Twins, in their competitive mode, no longer have space for questions on their 40-man roster. Yes, Keppel and Butera and Pridie and Hughes are all options to move if the Twins sign a free agent, do a trade, or draft a Rule 5. Look to see at least two of those names gone by the New Year.
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Not terribly excited about Derosa
Especially with the initial money he supposedly wanted. I’m hoping the Twins are now in wait and see mode until after Saturdays non-tender deadline. There could be some interesting cheap options that become available.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
+1
if we are going after DeRosa who is asking for a 3 year, $27 million contract, then we should just go after Beltre. Why sign a old, injured, “bad” player for money that we could spend on Beltre, who provides premier defense, and a great #5 bat in our order. We sign DeRosa, he would be hitting behind Kubel and Cuddyer in the 7 spot.
DeRosa is too much of an injury risk (and he is getting worse) to even give him a 2 year, $10 million contract to let along a 3 year, 27 million contract.
Either go after Beltre/Kouz or re-sign Crede for $2 million and play with internal options.
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I think that's where
Beltre should probably hit, too. Unless he has a big bounce-back year, at least. But that doesn’t mean I don’t agree with you—I’d rather spend $30 mil on Beltre than $27 mil on DeRosa.
Non-tender......
That is going to be a big moment this off-season.
Sadly, the way the system is…you have to release a player if you don’t want to pay them x-amount of dollars (i.e. Harris $1 million, Crain $2+ million). Some one else can sign them for a fraction of that amount (Boof falls into that category, too).
Arbitration…you don’t go because the guy isn’t worth what he would get from you, but is probably worth what anotehr team would sign him for (sahdes of David Ortiz…if the Twins couldv’e signed him for the Red Sox did…he would still be a Twin, I bet).
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Who are some potential non tender
candidates out there that the Twins might sign? What names have you heard?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
If we get DeRosa
it will be for significantly less than 3 years / $27M. 2/12 or 3/15 is about as high as I could see him signing with the Twins. If he signs for 3/27 it will not be with Minnesota.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
If the Twins get Bradley
can they also get Barry Bonds to DH?
maybe Roger Clemens for half a season?
that’s how much I dislike Bradley. if the Twins got him they might as well go out and fill up the team with headcases and egomaniacs…
I would take Bonds
That guy can flat hit. Bradley sometimes can’t. I’m pretty sure Bonds would still be a top 20 hitter in the league. Unbelievable eyes, unbelievable timing. I’d trade Kubel and put Bonds there in a heartbeat. He’s the next Satchel Page.
doesn’t mean he didn’t cheat, just that he’s a great player. Plenty of other players who cheated are still in the league, so why isn’t he? Kick ‘em all out, or let ’em all in. He’s being treated unfairly (or, at least, relative to the rules and to how other players have been treated; it would be totally fair to change the rules, and treat everyone as he has been treated).
He's 46 or so now
and hasn’t playing in a couple years.
He certainly had unbelievable talent but he’s done now.
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
that 1st year away from the Giants
I thought the Twins should at least kick the tires on Bonds.
I don’t know that he would play in a “small market” like MN but it would have been something to see Bonds in a Twins jersey. The sleeve would have been so tight the Twins Guys would have been hugging instead of shaking hands…
really
bonds brought drugs to the highest level…he has no claim on the homerun titles ,,those belong to that boy from the iron range,, hibbing minnesota roger maris
I don't think it would have happen in a million years
but it would have been interesting to hear how the Twins would have spun the story… In the end I’m happy the Twins are the kind of organization that would not be interested in Bonds or I think Bradley for that matter.
Quit trying to claim our historical athlete
I know he was born in Hibbing but he grew up in ND. Just wanted to clarify he’s one of our only superstars, leave him alone.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Travis Hafner?
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 9, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
historical?
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Not "historical" no.
But a great athlete in his own right and a ND native I guess was my point. Didn’t mean to touch any nerves.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
no nerves touched
I was mostly just joking around ha. I just saw someone say Maris was from MN and had to set the record straight.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
According to the same rumor
The Tigers are trying to identify a third team to send a pitcher to LA. What to the Dodgers have that we would want in exchange for one of our starters? Obviously, Pierre isn’t going to get them much pitching in return, considering his contract, Perkins might be a reasonable offer. Of course, we’re not getting into a 3 way trade involving Detroit, and we’re not going to take Pierre, but perhaps LA would be interested in Perkins at the back end of the rotation or one of our top 4, maybe Pavano or Blackburn to get a bit more in return.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Please no Juan Uribe... LEN3 doesn't believe that rumor at least
Also – Boof is crazy to turn down a one year deal, coming off an injury and stats that were never all that great. Maybe that explains why he was DFA’ed instead of Keppel
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions
Probably.
A shame, though, to not get rid of the Akeppelypse when given the opportunity.
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Keppel
Fills a spot. If your winning by 10 or losing by 10 and you don’t want to waste a pitchers innings. It’s Graddy’s fault if he doesn’t know that. Long Relief.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
He fills a long relief role, true
But we could also fill that role with whichever starters we keep that don’t make the rotation – Liriano, Perkins, Manship, Duensing, maybe Swarzak. We have an overabundance of starters to convert to long relief. I would argue that any of them would be better for that role than Keppel. Unless the Twins organization sees something in him that I don’t, not sure why we keep Keppel around.
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 9, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
Not sure what Keppel can do that the 24 others can’t, but whatever. He’s here, Boof’s gone, all my hopes and dreams are crushed yet again.
Nice signature, by the way.
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I would prefer Boof to Keppel
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I would too, but
considering Boof rejected our one year offer (for unknown amount), it’s not really a choice.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta say though
I think it really came down to a money thing. Boof had a chance to make a million this year and the Twins felt it wasn’t worth it with the money that they’re spending elsewhere.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Shoulder injuries
Not like tommy john, very unpredictable. I’d take pre-injury Boof over Keppel. However, I think this is the right decision if it costs $1M to find out if Boof has anything left in the tank after his surgery.
Yes
A million is a big gamble for someone that you either have to break camp with in April or place back on the DL.
At least Neshek could open the season in the minors.
And, like someone mentioned, the Twins do have an over abundance of starters that need to pitch somewhere, not to mention Delaney, Slama and any other Keppel like minor free agents they may pick for AAAAAA.
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I would prefer Boof To Keppel also
Any single day of the week
(whether or not we were talking fat Tuesday or not) {day before Ash- Wednesday}
but Boof is a little bit more $ than Keppel so all in all I don’t mind the decision Bill Smith and Co. had to make.
Any factual evidence at all towards this rumor?
Carlos Carrasco, Alex White along with Tanner Scheppers to the Twins
Glen Perkins and Beau Mills to the Rangers
Francisco Liriano and the rights to Boof Bonser + a PTBL to the Indians
(will Smoak and Feliz go to Fla. for Josh Johnson?)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 9, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ageed
He won out over Mulvey,Jones,Humber,Gabino,Gosling,Morillo,Henn,Dickey, and anyone else at AAA.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we think we'll move Keppel for something?
Hey, I can hope.
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by Robin G on Dec 9, 2009 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we would all miss
the opportunity to write things like “prepare for the Akeppelypse” and it’s “akeppelypse now” during game threads if he left though
Boof remains a cooler name than the Akeppelypse.
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The answer to all Gardy's problems?
Brendan Harris, of course.
“If we started today, Brendan Harris would be my starting third baseman,” Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said.
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Yeah, I saw that
He has a short memory. He repeatedly benches these guys and gives them fresh opportunities the next year.
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Out of all the internal options, if Valencia isn't ready to take it on,
then ok. But in general? Harris shouldn’t be getting 500 PA’s in a season.
Yeah, and his 590 OPS in the second half should make Gardy's statements suspect on their face
I’d rather have Tolbert, personally.
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But
Let’s be fair,
His OPS for the season, against LH pitchers was over .700. That’s a good year for a guy that we really want as a platoon player.
We just need to find the other half of his platoon.
That's funny
Let’s keep this guy around because he’s replacement level for a third baseman against left handed pitching. That’s like the argument to keep LeCroy as a DH against left handed pitching. There just isn’t room for a guy who’s value is so limited, especially when you keep 12 pitchers.
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the answer is simple
don’t keep 12 pitchers. Platoons are awesome and help teams win a lot more games, especially small market teams
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Wow, didn't expect that from Gardy
Harris moves from the doghouse to the luxury suite!
"So [Kouzmanoff]’s going to make decent monkey, but he’d be affordable." - Jesse
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
right about this time last year
Gardy also said he could use Cuddyer in CF if he had to as well.
No reason to put much into these types of comments.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
and he did
if you remember. In oakland…
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I think Gardy is trying to talk up Harris
in hopes of getting any kind of a trade for him before he’s non tendered on Saturday. Problem is, other teams know this…
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Brendan Herrors?
Starting? No thanks.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
No respect.
He doesn’t suck, could we do better yah and we will.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
LaTroy
the Brewers really seem dedicated to improving their pitching staff. They are my favorite NL team (because of Gomez) so this is nice to see. No wonder they would not trade for Perkins when they can get Wolf and LaTroy!
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It may be a year or two
but Wolf is a really good pitcher (at least by NL standards) but they did overpay him.
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PLEASE NO!
La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune says White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen wants Mike Redmond to back up A.J. Pierzynski.
Please Reddawg! Don’t go to the most hated team besides the Yankees!!!! Twins fans will be heartbroken!
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I'll take 3 free outs every 3rd day we play the White Sox
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so you are willing
to just throw away the Twins fans love for Mike Redmond so you can personally enjoy that!
Mike Redmond’s defense >>> AJ Defense
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plus
aside from the occasional game winning homers that AJ likes to hit off of us, the Twins pitchers keep him in check very well.
And if it ever came down to a game winning homer, who do you think they will slide in there?
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yes I am
anything that makes the White Sox worse I am all for
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the White Sox
are already bad. Ergo, the White Sox will not reach the Playoffs this year or probably next year.
And who knows, adding Mike Redmond could always make them the hardest team in the AL Central to beat. Think what Reddawg did in Minnesota with his clubhouse presence.
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I don't know, what did he do?
Oh you can’t prove or quantify that he did anything? Ok then
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you sir are being stupid
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Mike Redmond
is waaay down the list of reasons for the Twins’ success
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
um ok
so I suppose that is why pretty much every single Twins player is quoted as saying that Reddawgs clubhouse presence was a huge factor for their success.
Reddawg was not a bad player in MN so I see no reason to hate on him. He was well liked by the Twins, by the fans, by the opposition.
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I'm not hating on him
He just didn’t have that big of an effect,
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
then you apparently
dont remember the Twins prior to Reddawg, which could be depending on how old you are.
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I mean no offense at all...
but how old are you?
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I was born
the year the Twins won their second World Series.
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you think that is funny?
how so?
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I'm not much older than you
but I know I’m in no position to take age related shots at people.
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sums up what I was going to say. :\
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
I was
not taking an age shot at you. I was just pointing out the fact that because I did not know your age, you could possibly be a, lets say 14 year old, who just started to follow the Twins and have not really studied their history much.
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You realize that the Twins had 3 straight division titles
before Mike Redmond became a Twin, right?
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
And the Twins.......
with A.J. and Redmond catching for the White Sox, if that’s the case, will no longer have the running game that filling the line-up with, say, Span and Punto and Gomez and Casilla brought to the table. Man, teams will be running major league against the White Sox, if this is so, in 2010.
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ok here's my next try then
RBIs! Batting average! Saves! Clubhouse Presence!
There it is.
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he gave us
the "Smell'em" catch phrase that ignited the team... other teams played scared once they knew the Twins could smell'em...
+1
I think part of the reason that the Twins have struggled so much the past two years is that I have never once seen a “smell em” sign whenever they scored a run. It sort of went extinct after the first year (kinda like the Piranhas).
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what?
lets face it…the “smell em” had a huge impact on the Twins. You could see the energy in the players.
Mike Redmond and Carlos Gomez brought the most energy to their clubhouse that I have not seen since the days of Puckett.
Without them, that clubhouse will be boring!
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and energy
is the most important thing in baseball.
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Talent
and effort are the most important things in baseball
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Talent
without energy (or effort), talent goes to waste. You can have as much talent in the world, but if you do not put any energy or effort into it, then it just wastes away. That is true of everything you do in life and not just baseball.
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Sure
but talent makes up for a lack of energy more than energy makes up for a lack of talent
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would not
be so sure of that.
I think Twins fans would be quick to say that Nick Punto does not have much talent, but he has an energy which makes up for the talent (such as his doggone way of sliding into first base when he doesnt have to). Punto is not what comes to mind when I think of talent, but when I think of energy, Punto is in the top 5.
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which
is why Gardy puts him in the lineup everyday. Gardy likes Punto’s energy. Is that good? No. Punto would much better be suited to a super utility role because he has a lack of talent but an enormous amount of energy and effort.
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oh
so you are arguing that Punto has talent? This is a new one!
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and here
I thought you were one of the Punto haters.
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Energy
only goes so far if you don’t get on base or can’t advance a runner.
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this is true
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ever thought about becoming a politician?
You flip more than a flag on a pole in Bismarck.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
haha
your funny.
(in sarcastic font)
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You dont make it to the show without putting effort in
period
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The White Sox are going after Matsui, apparently.
Another big bat in their lineup. I wouldn’t completely count them out already. The addition of Peavy to their rotation doesn’t help us, either.
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their defense is going to be atrocious.
But yeah, Peavy and Danks are really good. Peavy rebounds, the Twins all of a sudden have the 4th best 1-2 combo in the division.
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4th best
behind whom?
Tigers – Verlander, Porcello (only 20 years old!)
White Sox – Peavy, Buerhle
Indians – ????
KC Royals – Grienke
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Tigers, Sox, Royals
Greinke plus me would be a good 1-2 combo
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so I take it
that Greinke plus ???? for the next four spots is better than
Baker
Slowey
Pavano
Blackburn
???
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you certainly
implied it…
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
um ya you did
Peavy rebounds, the Twins all of a sudden have the 4th best 1-2 combo in the division.
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oh that is my bad
I thought you said the 4th best rotation. My bad!
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but it still does
not diminish the fact that I believe that the Twins have the second best pitching rotation in the AL Central, behind only the White Sox.
By the time the Tigers get their pitching prospects up, we will have Gibson probably.
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and Bromberg
and Guerra.
I like that rotation!:
Gibson
Bromberg
Baker
Slowey
Guerra
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I didn’t know that Baker, Slowey, Pavano, and Blackburn were 2 people.
by ckb on Dec 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Peavy, Buerhle, Danks.
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oh I am not
arguing that the Sox have good pitching for the next few years. Except their good pitching will be negated by their fielding and hitting.
But I think our rotation right now is superior to the Tigers and Royals and most definitely the Indians.
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Wait a minute
Porcello is only 20 years old? Why haven’t I heard this?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Unacceptable.
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maybe
Miguel Cabrera will take him out to celebrate
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and teach
him how to get drunk and then go home and beat his wife.
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except
in Porcello’s case, he would have to use a baseball to beat his wife.
Miguel can use a baseball bat.
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Porcello is not married...
…unless you count lefty.
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I didnt
think he was. And no I did not count lefty. But Miguel could always teach him those lessons for future use.
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You think that's unacceptable...
Did you know his real name is Frederick Alfred Porcello III? That makes me hate him even more.
And yeah. After December 27th he shall only be 20 years old in our hearts.
I actually did know his whole name, for some odd reason.
But really…he’s going to be 20 forever. He will never age.
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That's WIlliams
He doesn’t care about defense. Just offense. It only worked once, when he accidentally put together a decent defensive club.
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Peavy projects to have an ERA similar to Slowey
He was pitching in the best place to pitch in the majors, in the weaker league. Now he’s coming to a hitters park in the better league. A decent projection would be between 3.75 and 4.25.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
No
Redmond’s defense was the worst at his position in all of baseball last year. He seemed to age two or three years in that first month of the season, and he never recovered. Starting all those spring games just killed him. Maybe rest will do him some good. But there’s a reason catchers retire at 36. AJ is not a bad defensive catcher. I’d put him in the middle of the pack among starting catchers, which is several levels ahead of Redmond at this stage in his career.
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true
Reddawg certainly aged quickly. However, I can see why. Hit in the head by a beefed up Thome can do those things to you and that is not all. Reddawg was a great defensive catcher when he came over and provided the Twins with a great 1-2 catching punch. I certainly hope he finishes his career in grand style wherever he ends up (and I hope it wont be with the Sox).
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I agree
I certainly hope he finishes his career in grand style wherever he ends up (and I hope it wont be with the Sox).
Going to the WSux is a fate worse than death for Reddog as far as I’m concerned, but I’ll applaud him at Target Field whomever he ends up with.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 9, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Who thinks
that the Twins should possibly sign this kid to a minor league contract. Never hurts to have arms!
The Padres released righty Eulogio De La Cruz today, according to a team press release. The 25-year-old was traded by the Marlins to the Padres in March, but then designated for assignment in April. He ended up posting a 3.12 ERA, 7.7 K/9, and 5.7 BB/9 in 69.3 Triple A innings, allowing only two home runs.
Described by our scouts as a “little bull with a big arm” De La Cruz has supposedly thrown 100 mph. Most of the time, however, he sits between 93-97 mph with his fastball, which he complements with both a curveball and a changeup. He has just 16 innings at the big league level (and they weren’t very pretty), but we believe he’s big league ready.
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sounds like Juan Morillo to me
Vikings 4 the superbowl
who
is in Japan or with the Os…I forget which.
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in Japan
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Gabino is the one for the O's
Vikings 4 the superbowl
Why was he DFA'd
by a team that needs young pitching…?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Who doesn't need young pitching?
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San Diego more than most
that was all the talk about Peavy trade rumors last year and this year. Why did they DFA him?
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think
the Twins could. Boof is gone and Crain and his mega contract could be gone. The twins could use a flame thrower in the pen.
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We had one
Morrillo, Invite him to Spring Training.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
he is in Japan
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
so your use
of “had” is correct
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um
that would be why I suggested signing him to a minor league contract.
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what do you mean
by
No DeLaCruz
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What is going on in SD?
There’s rumors of them non-tendering Correia in addition to dumping Heath Bell and Kouzmanoff. Their payroll is not large.
I have no idea
but let the Twins take part in the fire sale!
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That's why.......
Perkins is a good swap. A major league pitcher (of shorts). Just, who else can they send that won’t reach arbitation for a couple of years (Tolbert to replace Luis Rodriguez) or someone from the minors who COULD stick with the club in some capacity…hey, Plouffe!
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that actually
is a pretty good trade idea! Perkins+Plouffe (who really does not have a future with this club) for Kouzmanoff. Throw in Delaney + somebody else, and we could come away with Bell too!
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I'd love to see Perkins pitching shorts.
If only he was good at pitching baseballs.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
haha
remember when Baker had to “call a timeout” in order to fix a uniform malfunction, i.e. his nutcup?
I can see Perkins doing that because he forgot to put on his pitching shorts in the locker room.
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lol
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by 33MorneauMVP on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Correia
Bell, Kouzmanoff, and Adrian Gonzalez will probably be gone from SD by Spring training.
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I am not sure
if they have new owners (I know they have a new GM). Does anybody else know if the Pads recently changed owners?
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no, they are just making room
to make a run at Morneau when his contract is up.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
that may be
but I see no reason why that should effect your plans for releasing or trading people. Something must really be going on in SD.
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Thats the Dodgers, not the Padres
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Texas looking at Ojeda........
Augie is arbitration eligible. Maybe Texas wants Harris or Tolbert or any number of Twins infield prospects.
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“I’ll trade you a Tolbert, Casilla, Pridie for a Neftali Perez!”
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sorry Perez = Feliz
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Big Update on Rich Harden
ESPN’s Buster Olney has heard that Rich Harden is on the verge of an agreement with an unknown team. Olney notes that Harden has been heavily involved in negotiations with the Mariners, so that’s one possibility
PLEASE LET IT BE THE TWINS! PLEASE JESUS
Haha, I think you may be disappointed.
I’ve read a few articles saying Harden was interested in signing with the M’s. :\
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sorry we can’t take your call right now as we are helping Joe get ready for Christmas and preping his sleigh. Please leave you wish at the tone…BEEEP
Rangers in the mix too
They have a huge interest in him as well. They just shipped Millwood to the Orioles. With the retention of Pavano and the big interest the Twins had in Harden earlier this year, why has there seemed to be a luke warm reception to him now? The guy has come out and said he would be ok taking a 1 year contract to prove he is past his injury. They took a chance with Pavano, I really wish they would with Harden as well. We could get him fairly cheap considering for 1 year and if he turns out to be a bust, well hey, both sides move on, if he turns out to be back on the warpath, well resign him for a few more years. I really would like the Twins to sign the guy and let our minor leagues develop a little more.
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by VikesFaninNM on Dec 9, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Granderson to Yankees official.
Good for the Twins as far as the division goes.
Percy Harvin is my dealer.
White Sox
mlbtraderumors.com
White Sox Close On J.J. Putz?
By Tim Dierkes [December 9 at 3:57pm CST]
Yesterday Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times said the White Sox were closing in on a deal with free agent reliever J.J. Putz, perhaps encouraging Putz’s friend Matt Thornton to leverage their bromance as a recruiting tool. Today, Williams implied that leaks of the team’s interest affected the possible deal. Cowley thinks they’ll still get it done:
The Sox might have to up the ante a bit, but Putz wants to pitch on the South Side and there is still a deal close to happening.
Putz, 33 in February, pitched only 29.3 innings this year due to elbow issues.
DFA'd yesterday
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Breaking News
Source tells @craigcalcaterra that Harden is actually signing with … Rangers. One year, with 2011 option
damnit
and says it’s for $7.5MM with an $11.5MM option for 2011.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 9, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely agree
it would be a true test to Nolan Ryan’s pitchers training philosophy. I hope it works for him, but i would rather see him as a Twin.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 9, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not confirmed yet
and word is that the Ms are close. I hope the Twins are even closer!!!
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Chaos! And madness!
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
Dagn it!
The White Sox don’t consider Bradley a fit, but GM Kenny Williams had kind words for the player today (Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald reporting).
I was sort of hoping the Sox were the mystery AL team. I would have loved the EXPENSIVE yet almost completely worthless team in the South Side!
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I thought they were that already?
hehehehe
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by VikesFaninNM on Dec 9, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
How much would you be willing to pay Harden?
if he is close on 7.5 mil, how much could the Twins raise the offer?
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 9, 2009 5:50 PM EST reply actions
I would put it
at least a million more. 8.5 million with a 12 million option for 2011.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
ya same here
is the 7.5 million the base salary or is that what he could potentially earn?
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
not sure
but you would have to assume it was base.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Dec 9, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
ok
so a $7.5 base with incentives up to $10 million?
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if it is potentially earn
I give incentives to earn up to $9 – 9.5 million.
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nothing
they dont have it. at least not if they stick to the revenue formula that they have been using this century
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
at least
go along with us on this speculation. I do not like people who just throw down my hopes other than the GMs who actually sign Harden here.
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yes
but at least it provides me a few minutes in the sun…something we are not getting here in MN with 17 inches of snow having fallen last night.
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I kind of miss a good blizzard.
Nothing like being stuck inside with your friends with booze and food…
…or a girl.
only you! lol
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thanks,
but it would be even better if you could convince my wife that I can take some jokes in stride.
oh, you’ll understand when you have been married as long as I have …
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
If it makes you and her feel better
I didn’t know this would go on as long as it did when I posted that pic. It was meant in jest and no animosity was intended.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 9, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I hope she doesn't read this site
Cause she might get the wrong idea, like perhaps she needs the perfect Christmas gift—a gift certificate at the sheep shearers beauty salon.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I get her a gift certificate to the beauty salon every year.
so far it hasn’t improved her looks much.
Oh snap, Jackie Mason look out!
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
haha
yes but I am not stuck inside with friends, booze or a girl, just food.
But I am sitting next to my propane mini heater.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
ok, I can handle that
Bill Smith has certainly shown that he is willing to wheel and deal, and that he is not as gunshy as Terry Ryan was. So I suppose anything is possible. But speculating that the Twins might take a flyer on someone so expensive when we know they are now locked in to signing pavano (one way or another) and we all want them to re-sign Mauer seems a little silly.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
it wasnt
all that unreasonable. It just would have restricted us from signing a 3B or a 2B. A 7.5 million salary for Harden is a steal. We could always have traded for Kouz as well.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
But the Twins are currently at about $89 million. If they move Perkins and non-tender/trade Crain they will save a little over $3 million. Kouzmanoff will be about $5 if they get him.
That all keeps them around their $90 million mark and Harden would have put them way over.
by Twins Territory on Dec 9, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
thank you,
I am bad with numbers but there is no way that we can sign Harden unless we substantially depart from:
1. history
2. educated guessing
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed.
Numbers are what may keep them from DeRosa too. If he wants $9 million per season he won’t fit. If he goes closer to $6 or $7 million he might be an option.
by Twins Territory on Dec 9, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've given up on DeRosa
“Preliminary Discussions” is code for window shopping, and scraping your jaw off the pavement with sticker shock.
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moot
4:46pm: Drayer tweets herself and says it’s the Rangers and not Mariners on Harden – maybe a mistake tweet earlier.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Three reports have said it’s the Rangers.
by Twins Territory on Dec 9, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting from Star Tribune comment:
2009 Harden : 141 IP, 1.340 WHIP, 2.55 SO/BB ratio, 4.35 FIP
2009 Pavano : 199 IP, 1.375 WHIP, 3.77 SO/BB ratio, 4.00 FIP
I’d love to have Harden too, but he isn’t all that more valuable unless he gets the innings (which Pavano needs to do too).
We don’t need to worry about Harden anyways. The Twins haven’t talk with his agent in two weeks and it seems to be either Texas or Seattle.
Buster Olney...
…said the Twins and Padres have had “several” talks about Kouzmanoff in the past few days.
Yeah, I'd be interested to see
how their personnel has changed since they shot down a Perk/Kouz swap yesterday.
Me too.
Olney said executives told him they think the Padres will eventually get two middle-tier prospects. So if the Twins want him, it will take something minor it seems (in addition to Perkins).
by Twins Territory on Dec 9, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
no
I think a Perkins/Plouffe would get it done.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
I hate waiting...
..but it sounds more and more like the team will wait until after the non-tender deadline (Saturday). DeRosa’s demands are expected to weaken then and there may be some guys that become available (Garrett Atkins).
Personally, I really like the idea of Kouzmanoff best. The Twins don’t want Perkins, he could be a big part of such a deal, and Kouzmanoff upgrades third base production.
by Twins Territory on Dec 9, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want any Russians on our team.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
You wouldn't want to say Crushin Russian 5 times a game?
liar
http://twinkietalk.com
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5 consecutive times a game,
you mean.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
As long as he brings his friend Smirnoff, all is well.
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Saturday
I’m really excited to see what happens as the economy is supposdly going to be effecting a lot of teams decisions on who to keep around. The Twins are probably one of the few teams increasing payroll and they may be able to pick up a valuable piece or two for reasonable prices.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
I would not be surprised
if the Padres rejected the trade because they don’t want Perkins, who is much closer to arbitration than other possibilities like Swarzak or Manship.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that makes sense
I was thinking that, because Perkins is just one year from being right where Kouz is. I just thought that he still would have some value to them, so him plus a c level prospect might be enough.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think he would have value too
especially as a fly ball pitcher in Petco. But if I were San Diego, I’d look at getting two pitching prospects who are farther from arbitration, perhaps Swarzak and Gutierrez as a counter offer.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Why not
Swarzak isn’t going to be anything special. Looks like a good fit, the Padres want decent warm bodies in a salary dump. The Twins have TONS of guys at the margins in AAA.
kind of tough
to say Swarzak isn’t going to be anything special. He’s 24 and could be the 5 starter by years end.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not enough raw stuff there for special
Unless he gains 3 MPH on his fastball or finds a new breaking pitch he isn’t going to be special. He could be decent back of the rotation filler if he improves his craftiness.
If I were Minnesota I'd be open to that offer
while I would rather give up Perkins, I’d be ok with Swarzak+.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I would want
something in return like Kouz + a mid prospect for Swarzak
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
ya
I suppose that is why he was voted #7 overall prospect last year by the Twinkie Town members and is projected as a #2-3 starter.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Dec 9, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
there is no way Swarzak is a 2 starter
He could probably be a 5 for some teams. But he’s not one of our 5 best starters
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Nothing?
a 2nd round draft pick on the edge of making the 5 man rotation.
I guess Duensing,Manship,Slama,Guerra,Bromberg. are all nothing. Wrong the all have value.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
fetch9
would probably make a case that Kyle Gibson is nothing because of his arm injury. Of course, it has yet to be seen if he will bounce back, but I am very confident, as are the Twins FO, that he will.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops, posted this on the old (yesterday's) thread. Copy, paste, here we go.
I know everyone’s probably sick of talking about Kouzmanoff, but I spent some time on this…
He’s tought to project, because you have to adjust for Petco, and adjust for switching leagues. Doing the best I could with all of that, I came up with this line for him in a neutral park in the AL.
.282/.323/.466, or about 5 runs above average. I’d also project him to be about 5 runs better than an average 3b on defense, so with position adjustment he’d be about 3.25 WAR mark.
For reference, CHONE has Beltre at .270/.320/.446, or almost exactly league average. This should all ready be adjusted for neutral park since he’s a free agent. He is a better defender than Kouz, probably about 12 runs above average. Putting that together, I’d put him right around 3.5 WAR.
Kouzmanoff will probably make 12-15 mil over the next three years, none of which are guaranteed, so very little risk is involved.
Beltre will probably end up making around 25-30 mil for 3 years, each of which would be guaranteed. He’s also leaving his prime age, which means I’d expect some sort of decline over the next three years.
So we’re talking about two very similar players in overall value, one of which is older and twice as expensive, the other of which will cost talent.
The difference in salary is about 15 million dollars. Is Perkins + Casilla worth saving 15 million dollars? Hell yes. How about Perkins + Tyler Robertson? Perkins + Joe Benson? Perkins + Carlos Gutierez?
Where do we cross the line where Beltre becomes a better option? I personally would be fine with any of the above scenarios except the last one.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions
is
Perkins + Plouffe so unreasonable? Plouffe at least has a “decent” shot at making it to the big leagues in some form or other!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
listen,
I can’t understand why you keep quoting Chone Figgins! He’s Beltre’s competition, of course he will undervalue Beltre!
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
you must be kidding
you have to know that CHONE is a stats predictor.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
hmmm
never thought of it like that. Maybe I should use LOPEZ? Different position at least.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
Now you have the idea. That GOMEZ guy was pretty good for quotes too.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Beltre becomes a better option
if he either lowers his asking price, or San Diego wants something more than Perkins and a mid-level prospect. I like the idea of Kouz this year a lot more than I did last year.
I like him much more this season too. His price seems to be lower, and considering the prices on the market currently, $5 million for him is cheap.
by Twins Territory on Dec 9, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
The main thing that is bugging some people is that Kouzmanoff would “block” Danny Valencia who many believe will be ready mid-season or 2011 at the latest.
Personally, Kouzmanoff is proven at the MLB level while Valencia is not. Adding Kouzmanoff to the lineup would be an upgrade and help next season’s lineup. Not only that, we could use a guy we don’t particularly need to get him (Perkins).
by Twins Territory on Dec 9, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
and
if Valencia is the somebody that the Twins FO makes him out to be, then that leaves the Twins in a very pretty position. When Valencia is ready to go, the Twins have an option. Trade Kouzmanoff or trade Valencia.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
If we get Kouz
we can trade Valencia for something we need, and I can stop reading about how he is the second coming of Christ
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Nobody has said anything close to that
some of us fell that he many became the player you claim Kouz is or better. Have you noticed he is the 6th best prospect as voted by the Twinkie Town fans.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
If we get Kouz
I’m ok with that, I just don’t expect Kouz to be the second coming. The Team is solid and I don’t think 3B (no matter who plays their) is the Twins key to beating the Yanks
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Getting rid of our gaping holes is one of the keys to beating the Yanks, or any other team for that matter
The easiest way to improve our team is to put a decent player at third. This is definitely our top priority.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
You mean Nathen's failing
or the lack of hits with men on base. Pitching,Pitching,Pitching and timely hitting.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
gaping hole was overkill thats all
weak might be better term, but only with Punto or Tolbert at 3b because of their weak or no bat. I like punto and Tolbert but only up the middle and batting 9th.
by b1 on Dec 9, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
The infield as a whole last year
Other than Morneau was a gaping hole. Hardy fills a third of the hole, Kouzmanoff would fill another hole, and Nick Punto at second is like filling the last third with water instead of dirt.
He fills the hole technically but its not exactly what we were hoping for.
Tolbert is a no-bat no-field player
We have tons of decent pitchers. There is no reason to sign a starting pitcher if Tolbert is going to be playing any position.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 10, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming San Diego wants Perkins
and they simply need a second player, as opposed to a different pitcher like Blackburn, I would be ok with any of the three options you list. I like Gutierrez, but he’s not a Kyle Gibson and he may very well end up a reliever, where we have decent organizational depth.
Kouz is growing on me. In the end, I think your projection may be a bit optimistic, I suspect the NL-AL switch may about cancel out the move away from Petco. I still think there’s less than a 1 WAR difference between Beltre and Kouzmanoff.
by Adam Peterson on Dec 9, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
as Cmathewson
said yesterday, this is a win win situation. If Valencia tears up AAA, we bring him up and slid him at 3B. We then move Kouz to DH and move Kubel to LF (trading Young). Or else, we trade Kouzmanoff or Valencia.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Harden
not yet signed according to Ken Rosenthal; close however, but not yet!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Jayson Stark of ESPN.com hears that the Padres are aggressively trying to move Kouzmanoff. The Twins and Giants are interested.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
so
this isnt just a name in the water. Twins should just go in and offer Perkins plus Plouffe/Pridie/Casilla.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Kouz yes, Beltre, no
Ever since Beltre ate kryptonite, he’s been going downhill. At this point in his career, signing a multi-year contract will be like setting one foot on the white sand beach of retirement. Besides, why wait a year for the second coming of Pedro Feliz, when we could get the first going of Pedro Feliz right now?
Safeco kills RH hitting
He’ll be very good in a neutral park
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By going downhill
he went from an Albert Pujols level player to an above average player. When looking at park, age, and everything else, it would be tough to project him to be a worse overall player than Kouz. For three years, then maybe, since he’s a couple years older. The only reason to choose Kouz over Beltre is the asking price, which I think will be lower than Kouz, as they are aggressively shopping him now. At least from a pure on-the-field standpoint.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Stark says they wanted Perkins plus another player
http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/6513643811
And that they offered him for Frandsen and Fred Lewis, but the Giants rejected it. This is the opposite of what was reported earlier.
Either way, I think Perkins + someone outside of our top 10 prospects might be enough.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 9, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions
Plouffe or Delaney
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
Or Luke Hughes or Slama or Burnett or or or
They’re probably asking for Rene Tosoni though.
Luke Hughes
or Burnett. I would not trade Slama or Tosoni. Slama is eventually going to replace Nathan who many people want to unload because of his contract.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
+1 on Luke Hughes that'd be pretty fair deal for both sides tooo
Any factual evidence at all towards this rumor?
Carlos Carrasco, Alex White along with Tanner Scheppers to the Twins
Glen Perkins and Beau Mills to the Rangers
Francisco Liriano and the rights to Boof Bonser + a PTBL to the Indians
(will Smoak and Feliz go to Fla. for Josh Johnson?)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 9, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'd rather move Slama
than Burnett, but what do I know?
by Eric in Madison on Dec 9, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
BoSox offering Lowell
any one interested in Lowell? At one time I liked his bat. Would he be better then Creede?
Kouzmanoff?!!?
DO NOT WANT!!
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why ever not?
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by 33MorneauMVP on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Rule 5 tomorrow
Would the Twins think of taking Colin Curtis?
Curtis could make for a solid backup outfielder type at the big league level. He hit just .250/.321/.364 during the year, but was impressive in the Arizona Fall League. Over 78 at-bats, he hit .398/.472/.731. Sure, small sample size, but you can bet people were watching.
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Interesting for sure
However, doesn’t look to be too much of a change from Martin or Pridie but could be worth taking a chance on. They could at least keep him through Spring Training and put him in the competition. It’s interesting that he was sent to the AFL but not protected. It seems like teams usually send guys to AFL because they like their potential and want to see them against top competition. He obviously didn’t do bad so I’m surprised he wasn’t protected.
I’d be very interested to see if there are any other good 4th outfielder options out there. As far as I know though the Twins have a full 40 man roster and would have to drop someone before tomorrow.
Another interesting name . . . Yohan Pino.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
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