Crede Wants $7 Million
Does this pretty much slam the door on whatever chances remained of the former White Sox third baseman coming to Minnesota? Probably. With the Giants having already submitted an offer, Crede may not be on the market much longer. At the very least, we'll get an idea of what kind of market there is for his services.
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Unless he's willing to take a couple of million in incentives...
…I would say this is too rich for the Twins blood.
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Ha ha
Doesn’t matter if he wants $7M, he’s not going to get it. He would probably be worth more than this IF he played a full year, but almost no way that happens. I’d be ok with $4-5M plus incentives based on playing time.
Scott Boras is at work...
…getting Crede more than he is worth. Hopefully, not from the Twins. Let the Giants sign him for $7mm plus another million or so of incentives, and when he is playing very little by mid-season let it be their mistake…not ours.
fair deal
A fair deal would be a 4-5 million with chances to bring that to 8-9 million. Thats it. Guarenteeing more than that before he reaches 500 PA’s is rediculous. And I’m all about spending the Pohlads money on a short term deal. I wouldn’t be opposed to incentives reaching 11-12 million for performance, but not a larger base. Back injuries are tough to overcome and he plays a demanding position. Crede put your money where your mouth is or we can just give it to Baker and Mauer.
That's still too much.
I’d guarantee him $3 million with an extra two in incentives. He’s not worth 8-9.
That should be his value
But considering that the Twins are more than $10 million under budget, I’d take a bit more risk and offer him what he made last year plus $2 million in incentives based on games played. I might even be prepared to offer a vesting club option for $7 million if he exceeds 140 starts. That’s essentially what we offered Blake, except most of our offer to Blake was guaranteed, whereas Crede would need to earn this money.
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Tell Boras
When your asking price comes back down to $3 million, call us. $7 million isn’t going to happen even in San Francisco. If that offer San Francisco had was anywhere near the original $5.1, he’d be be in earth tones by now. When Rich Aurilia signs his minor league deal with the Giants, it’ll be funny to see Boras crawl back.
Thing is
THing is, it probably will happen though. There’s a reason Boras gets his stupidly ridiculous requests. He gets them from badly run teams like the Giants.
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Agreed
I’m not even sure he’s that much of an improvement over what we already have. His injury problems certainly are cause for concern and should preclude any contract that isn’t heavy on incentives.
Isn’t there someone still out there that can help us more even at a different position?
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Can't blame a guy for trying
The owners have a rock solid four decades of stupidity behind them, so you can’t ever bet on them, but Crede is asking for healthy-guy money. Which is OK if you’re a healthy guy.
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by Johnny Safron on Feb 9, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
brokeback
Crede is crazy, he has a broken back for crying out loud.
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and Gomez
was considered for a Gold Glove. It goes to show that errors arent everything and shouldnt really be considered when looking at defense.
One part of the overall equation
is errors. Gomez committed 8 errors last year. I don’t know how many of these were fielding versus hitting, but as far as I’m concerned, there’s no difference between a fielding error and not getting to a ball because of a lack of range. It’s just that the pitcher is charged for one but not the other.
by Adam Peterson on Feb 10, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
+1
The official scorer cannot charge a guy with an error if he doesn’t get leather on the ball. But a guy can make a dashing, diving attempt, get leather on the ball, and be charged with an error. Official scoring is the most subjective aspect of baseball (more so than umpiring, imho). So errors are the most subjective measure in baseball.
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I agree
and how many of those errors were charged to him because of wrong positioning for cutoffs by the infielders? alot in my opinion!
Actually
I’m pretty sure that a bunch of them were for horribly inaccurate throws. He has a rocket for an arm, but has absolutely no idea how to get it where he wants it. No one was nervous running on him, because they knew he wasn’t going to put the ball where it had to be.
Agreed
I agree that errors aren’t the end all be all, but that’s a lot of errors for an outfielder to be making. With that said, Gomez is a good defender.
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Errors over-rated?
I just read in a Peter Gammons article that Carlos Gomez is actually the best rated defensive centerfielder in the game despite his errors.
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well
Gomez certainly covers the most range of anybody in CF today. This is a valuable asset but even I am a little surprised that he is the best rated CF over Ichiro or Shane Victorino or Sizemore. I knew he was a top CF but not the best! If he can cut down the errors to 4 this next year and have a good year at the plate…the Twins certainly have something there!
Gomez's range is the best in baseball
Much better than Victorino and Sizemore. The question is, does his sometimes erratic arm and occasional tough error make the steadier players better? Not in center, where he will get to one more ball a game than the average center fielder. In the scheme of things, eight errors versus 162 extra balls is nothing. Steady play means something at corner positions because they don’t get as many chances. But in center, they tough the ball four or five times a game. Not all of these are outs, but they cut balls off and hold guys to singles and do other things to reduce the opposition’s total bases.
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Vic
I watch Victorino on a daily basis and he is flat-out amazing.
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Well, OK
I’ve only seen him on Game of the Week and playoff broadcasts, so I don’t know. In those instances, I look to 2008 UZR.
Victorino: 3
Sizemore: 11
Gomez: : 17
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Sounds like Crede is ours for the taking
Rumors are that the Giants are out of the running for crede now that they signed Rich Aurilla…unless he comes down significantly from the $7 million a year he wants. come on Bill Smith…get it done…if we can offer $14 million over two years to casey blake…Crede is worth the 1 year and the $7 million
Leverage
Signing Aurilia for $1M was a good move. He plays 1B or 3B, giving SF insurance if Sandoval doesn’t work out. Plus it gives them leverage with Crede. “We are happy to go into 2009 with Rich Aurilia as our 3B…”
I still think 1 year $5M + incentives based on games played is the right thing to do here. But I’d have no problem going up to $7M either, since the commitment is only for 2009.
by Adam Peterson on Feb 10, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
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