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Lemaire is gone, but Gardy remains - and it's all for the best

On Saturday night, the Twin Cities sports scene lost one of its longest-serving coaches.  Wild coach Jacques Lemaire announced that he was moving on after eight seasons in Minnesota, having won one division title and reached the conference finals once in his tenure.

Your new longest-tenured professional coach in the area, then: Ron Gardenhire - who has reached the MLB equivalent of the conference finals once, while winning four division titles in his seven years as Twins manager.

These are two similar coaches - with key differences that may help explain why the Twins have been consistently successful under Gardenhire, while the Wild have struggled to get over the hump with Lemaire.

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+ Both men have the same style

Separate coaches and managers into the two classic schools, and Gardenhire and Lemaire would be solidly on the old-school side of the ledger.  Both men seem interested in making young players prove their bona fides; meanwhile, both seem to trust veteran players innately.  And both guys are hell-bent on molding players to play a certain way, or simply tossing them aside. Ask Brendan Harris what happens if Gardy feels like you're not focusing on your fielding.  Over on the Wild side, ask Mark Parrish what happens if you get on Jacques's bad side.

They're traditionalists, not numbers guys.  They believe that there is one way to win, and all other ways involve smoke and mirrors.  If you play for Jacques Lemaire, you will backcheck.  You will guard against odd-man rushes.  You will learn to be defensively responsible - or you will not play very much. 

If you play for Ron Gardenhire, you will play defense.  You will throw strikes.  You will move the runner over, and you will learn to manufacture runs - or you will not play very much.

+ Differences are subtle, but may be why Gardy wins

Here's the thing, though - each man's team seemed to have a very different attitude.

Lemaire was constantly conflicting with his players; the Star Tribune even printed rumors of run-ins over the past couple of months that included much very real anger on the players' side.  Meanwhile, there seem to be few guys in the Twins' dugout that don't get along with Gardenhire.  The Twins manager seems to be focused on supporting his players; Lemaire seemed more interested in ripping his, which entertains the media but doesn't make guys excited to get to the rink.

More importantly, Gardenhire seems to let players know what is expected of them.  The players that have grown frustrated with the manager over the past few years - Jason Bartlett, Kyle Lohse, et al - didn't like what they were hearing from team management, but never seemed confused about what the skipper wanted. 

That communication was never evident with the Wild under Lemaire.  Marian Gaborik constantly chafed at what he seemed to feel was an ever-evolving standard. Mark Parrish felt that Lemaire hated him for no good reason, and never did figure out what it was that the coaching staff wanted.

Under Gardenhire, right or wrong, the Twins clubhouse always seemed to at least be pulling in the same direction.  The Wild locker room seemed to feel like they couldn't even find the correct harness.

+ Lemaire was right to move on; the Twins need Gardy to stay

It was time for Lemaire to go on to his next challenge.  The Wild had reached the peak of what they could do under his tutelage; the franchise quite obviously needs to go in a different direction.

It'd be hard to say the same things about the Twins, and about Gardenhire.  The manager may have a job for just about as long as he wants one in Minnesota, and when he finally hangs up his windbreaker, the Twins will probably hire the guy that is most like Gardy that they can find.  He has done what Lemaire could never do; he's built a team to be the team that he wants.

You can criticize Gardenhire for many things, but that accomplishment is certainly admirable - and for the best for the future of the Twins.

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There is one thing your

anaysis is leaving out. the Twins have done a much better job drafting and aquiring young talant that can help the major league club then the Wild Management has.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Apr 13, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The system

Also, the Twins have a system, on which they indoctrinate players from the beginning. The message is “you will play Twins baseball”. The Twins play the game there way, solid defense, opposite field hits, advancing runners, and throwing strikes.

If you deviate from that ideal, you are not around long after that. Take David Ortiz (wanted to pull the ball and hit home runs) didn’t work out for the Twins, but found a home where he could play how he wanted to and has been successful. Matt Garza, wanted to be a fastball pitcher, Twins were looking for him to be different, rely more on off speed pitches. He was quite successful last year, but now according to the Rays, is working on throwing the change up more.

As for Brendan Harris, he seems to be working more on his defense, and has since he was traded to the Twins. He will constantly have to prove himself until Gardy sees that he gets it, or he is let go, rightly, or wrongly.

Living in WI I have friends and co-workers who support the Homerun hitting Brewers. They often ask, why don’t the Twins hit more homeruns. I always counter, because they lead the AL in infield singles. It is a different mindset, one I have learned to accept over the past twenty odd years as a Twinsfan. Twins Baseball is different, it is a holistic system from the Draft, to the Minors, the front office, and the Big Leagues that produces a specific kind of player/team.

by WITwinsfan on Apr 13, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all about what scores runs

In 2008…

Minnesota: 829 runs, 111 HR, .328 wOBA, .279/.340/.408, 979 SO, 144 GIDP, .321 BABIP, .305 RISP
Milwaukee: 750 runs, 198 HR, .330 wOBA, .253/.325/.431, 1203 SO, 98 GIDP, .290 BABIP, .245 RISP

This is a very interesting comparison. Accounting for the average difference (41 runs) between AL and NL scoring, there is still a 38 run gap in favor of the Twins. I suspect that most or all of this gap is explained by the vast difference hitting with RISP. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that AL/NL and RISP accounts for the run scoring gap and that otherwise the two teams were just as productive, albeit through different means.

In wOBA, the two teams were very similar, slight edge to Milwaukee. This tells me the Brewers’ slugging about cancels out the Twins AVG/OBP. I also suspect that fewer GIDP cancels out Minnesota’s very high (3rd to Texas and the Cubs) BABIP advantage.

by Adam Peterson on Apr 13, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The RISP

The RISP is unfortunately probably worth a lot more than the difference, unfortunately. That remains the one little hobgoblin in the Twins-for-central-champs train. This team almost definitely needs to take a solid step forward offensively to get the same production.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Apr 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends on what you're comparing the RISP to...

There’s a larger difference between RISP reverting to our team batting average last year versus all the way down to Milwaukee’s .245 average with RISP. A 60 point difference would probably mean more than 40 runs. How many more, I’d have to sit down and figure out…

by Adam Peterson on Apr 13, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should you bother accounting for the AL/NL gap?
Accounting for the average difference (41 runs) between AL and NL scoring, there is still a 38 run gap in favor of the Twins.

Does that need to be accounted for? I assume the stats above include pitchers’ results, and since this is simply looking at how inputs lead to runs, I don’t see how a league adjustment is relevant unless there’s some sort of additional factor depressing runs in the NL that I’m not aware of.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps not

The numbers do include the pitchers. I was operating under a (perhaps faulty) “the offenses were comparable in 2008” assumption. I was trying to get to an apples to apples comparison of the two teams, starting with runs scored.

by Adam Peterson on Apr 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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