In Defense of Mr. Young
A few bloggers on Twinkietown enjoy beating Mr. Young mercilessly over the head, so, in his defense, I decided to write up a Fanpost, presenting everything I have in his defense.
Minor League Seasons:
Delmon Young graduated from Adolfo Camarillo High School in 2003, whereupon, he was drafted first overall in the 2003 Players Draft by the Tampa Bay Rays. By 2005, at the age of 20, Young had progressed to Double-A Montgomery. He hit .336 with 20 homers, 71 RBI, and an OPS of .968 in only 84 games. He won the Southern League MVP award despite playing 84 games (half a season). Young was then promoted to Triple-A Durham on July 15 of the same year. In 52 games, Young batted .285 with 6 homers and 28 RBI. *I believe that it was at this point that Young began to press. He was rushed through the system to much by Tampa, and, thus, he could never get a firm foothold in AAA ball.
In 2006, Young, while playing for Triple-A Durham, threw his bat at an umpire after being called out on strikes. Young issued an apology the next day saying that he did not intend to hit the umpire but that it was still inexcusable for him to throw the bat. The International League suspended Young indefinitely, but then on July 26, 2006, recanted their position and declared Young suspended for 50 games. Young had the option to appeal the ruling, but wisely chose not too and accepted his lumps.
Major League Seasons:
Tampa Bay Rays:
On August 28, 2006, Tampa Bay called Young up after putting Johnny Gomes on the Disabled List. His first major league game came against the Chicago White Sox and occurred on August 29 2006, ten years to the day after his older brother Dmitri played in his first major league game. In Delmon's first major league plate appearance, White Sox pitcher, Freddy Garcia, hit Young with a first-pitch fastball. After striking out in his first official at-bat, Young stroked a curveball for a 412-foot two-run home run, which was his first major league hit.
Young blossomed in 2007 and finished with a .288 avg, 13 HR, 38 doubles, and 93 RBI. As a 21-year-old in 2007, Young finished second in American League Rookie of the Year voting to Boston second baseman, Dustin Pedroia. Not too bad for the young Mr. Young.
On November 28, 2007, the Devil Rays traded Young, along with Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie, to the Minnesota Twins for Jason Bartlett, Matt Garza, and Eduardo Morlan.
Minnesota Twins:
In Spring Training, Young batted .361 with 2 doubles, 1 homerun, 7 RBI, easily locking up the starting left field spot for the Twins.
While Young started off rather slowly for the Twins in the first few months of the season, Young started to hit in June and continued to scald balls into the outfield. Young finished with a .290 avg with 28 doubles, 10 homeruns, and 69 RBI. Aside from a little drop-off in doubles and homers and also RBI, Young had an almost identical season as in 2007. Young also hit 4 triples in 2008 compared to his 0 in 2007. Young does not have very good plate discipline which is one of his faults. He strikes out about 3-4 times as much as he walks.
Young's natural position is RF, where in 2007, he committed 7 errors but had 16 Outfield Assists. Young switched to LF for the Twins, who thought that since he was so young, he might be able to better adapt to the change than the aging Cuddyer. Young committed 8 errors in left field for the Twins, the most for left fielder in the majors, but his 11 outfield assists led all left fielders in the majors. While Young is not the best at fielding, he does posses a cannon of an arm, although it can be a little erratic at times.
Comparisons:
For comparison, his brother, who is a respected ballplayer, has gone through his troubles, yet has had a nice and productive career.
Fangraphs.com has this to say about Delmon Young:
"Not to sound like a broken record, but Young’s age must be taken into account when assessing his production. He will be only 23 years old in 2009, an age where most prospects are just seeing their first big-league action. Via Baseball-Reference, we find that Carl Yastrzemski and Roberto Clemente rank among Delmon’s most comparable players through age 22. To show just how wide of a range of outcomes are possible for his career at this point, Jose Guillen (a former top prospect who never lost his hacking style) also ranks among his 10 most comparable players.
Delmon Young has been something of a disappointment and needs to stop playing a slap-hitter’s brand of baseball, but it would be foolish to consider him a bust at this point. The truth is, there’s a wildly divergent range of scenarios for Young’s career path. It’s possible that his patience never develops and he remains a disappointment, but it’s also quite possible that he re-discovers his power stroke, fine-tunes his control of the zone and establishes himself as a valuable commodity. Given that he has several years of development time remaining, Young must be kept on the fantasy radar screen."
While Young can be very disappointing to Twins fans (to the point of taking a baseball bat and crushing your television), we must take into account his youth and his very big potential. Fangraphs sums it up the best, because he could turn into a bust, like many prospects end up doing, or he could turn into a very nice ballplayer with good power and on-base-percentage. However, that is yet to be seen, and so while we can all grouse about Young and point fingers, but let us not judge, less, in turn, we shall be judged.
With Malice toward none, with Charity for all....
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This is an excellent defense of Delmon...
and his comparables are eye-raising. He certainly has all the PHYSICAL potential to be a great player. Unfortunately, physical tools mean jack-squat when you don’t have the brain to put them to use.
APPROACH is what makes great players, and has always made great players. When you have a good conception of the strike zone. When you are a good situational hitter. When you battle during every at-bat to make the other team’s pitcher work. These are the things that make great hitters and great players. Delmon Young does NONE of these things!!!
For those that say he’s still young, I say he’s now in his 3rd full MLB season and is exactly the same (if not worse) as when he got here. He has shown no progression as a hitter, no improvement as a teammate, and his defense is more disgusting than ever. He is still incapable of recognizing pitches, taking a good route to a fly ball, or running like he DOESN’T have a corn cob up his ass.
This is why you can’t just compare results at a certain age for one player to results of another player at the same age. It may work well most of the time statistically, but there are always things called “outliers.” That is what Delmon Young is…a statistical outlier.
Mentioning him in the same breath as Clemente and Yaz is laughable. With his current approach and attitude, he’ll be out of the game in 5 years. As a Twins fan, I sincerely hopes he has the epiphany he needs to have and turns it around. As someone that has followed the game for over 3 decades…I’m not bettin on it.
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by mutleyil on Apr 18, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
APPROACH is what makes great players, and has always made great players. When you have a good conception of the strike zone. When you are a good situational hitter. When you battle during every at-bat to make the other team’s pitcher work. These are the things that make great hitters and great players. Delmon Young does NONE of these things!!!
exactly…he appears not to care one bit and takes a horrible approach to the game. Guys who get by on sheer talent are out of the league once their skills dissipate even slightly. Also the fact that he is in his 3rd year and has plateaued says a lot.
by guinness junky on Apr 18, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Delmon just took an average of one more pitch per PA
He would hit 20 points higher. He just swings at everything. He’s taking fewer pitches this year than last.
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by cmathewson on Apr 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 more pitch per PA...
and he’s taking 4.3 pitches per appearance. You’ve just put him ahead of Joe Mauer (4.06 last year). It is true he has a lower P/PA than any other year so far, but come on. He’s had 27 PA this year. Give him a little bit of leeway. It’s early. The aggressiveness you see could very much be pressing while adjusting to a new role. Give him time…if he’s still where he’s at at the 60 PA point, then cut his ass:)
by GACTwinFan on Apr 18, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see a more patient Delmon Young
but my biggest gripe with him is the number of AB he appears to take off by weakly grounding out to second. I want to see him lift and drive more balls, swing like he wants to hurt something. I’ll gladly take 60 points on his slugging percentage over 20 points on his OBP.
Carlos Gomez, on the other hand, I want to see him get the swing under control and stop trying to be a cleanup hitter.
by Adam Peterson on Apr 19, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assists
> Young committed 8 errors in left field for the Twins, the most for left fielder in the majors, but his 11 outfield assists led all left fielders in the majors
Assists pile up when teams run on you. They don’t show how many baserunners successfully advanced, and they don’t show how many batter-runners advanced when a played tried to nail the lead runner. Many players who are not respected outfielders have high numbers of assists, even outfielders with good arms. It’s a statistic that always requires investigation.
Delmon is a hack in the outfield. It’s clear by watching him, and it’s clear by watching how other teams run on him.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 19, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Fangraphs has incorporated an ARM rating, measured in runs, for all outfielders, that does pretty much what you note. In 2008, Delmon’s arm was rated at -0.8 runs. By comparison, in 2007 in RF, his arm was rated +6.1 runs, roughly in line with Cuddyer’s +5.2 and +6.9 in 2006 and 2007, respectively.
by Adam Peterson on Apr 19, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then,
he should show marked improvement in left this year, if he’s a good fielder. This outfield stuff just isn’t that hard for players who know how to learn.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"This outfield stuff just isn’t that hard for players who know how to learn."
“Get your hands off the keyboard and into a batting cage, then tell us how easy it is.”
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by natetheskate on Apr 21, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get off his back you guys are rediculous, you do understand you’re bagging on a 23 year old kid that has a .290 avg , 27 home runs, and 179 rbis in 2 full sesons and 1/6 of another. You all act like he should be winning MVPs already or he is a bust.
It’s pretty rediculous to listen to guys rag on him, what do you expect Ken Griffey Jr? Take away a few injuries Griffey would be looked at as the best player in the history of the game. He can hit for avg, hit to opposite field with power, for those of you who don’t know patience is one of the last things for a hitter to develop. Give him some time, he will develop. I think some of you forget he was just drafted out of high school 5 1/2 years ago.
by dyoung21 on Apr 19, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regression
I would be more optimistic if he was showing signs of improvement. Instead I see regression. He’s swinging at the first pitch even more often. He’s grounding weakly to the second baseman more often. That said, his last two games have been better. But he has a long way to go even to get back to how he played in his rookie season, when he wsa 21 years old.
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by cmathewson on Apr 20, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being young is not synonymous with inexperienced
>>For those that say he’s still young, I say he’s now in his 3rd full MLB season and is exactly the same (if not worse) as when he got here. He has shown no progression as a hitter, no improvement as a teammate,
Exactly. He has 3,000 pro PAs under his belt. You have to be either dumb, overrated or both to not being showing improvement as you head toward 2,000 big-league PAs.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 19, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can he have a chance to improve at least?
I love how all you are ready to throw him under the bus, last year was his first on the team. Also he hit pretty well last year after April and May. It’s a joke to bag on him as much as everyone does. He is far better than Cuddyer, but since he had one good season the Twins threw money at him that worked well. Now we are stuck with the most overrated role player in the major leagues.
By the end of this year he will be head and shoulders one of the best hitters on the team.
by dyoung21 on Apr 20, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At his current whiff rate...
he’ll have 90 in 300 ABs. That’s brutal for a guy with his big-league experience.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 20, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Get off the k’s early in the season it’s not like he characteristicly strikes out 90 times in 300 ABs, obviously you have a bone to pick with Young for some reason or another.
Keep hatin on him we will see what happens.
by dyoung21 on Apr 20, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's early in the season,
but it’s the nature of the beast. You talk about who’s started hot, you talk about who’s started cold…unfortunately for Delmon, he’s started cold.
Part of what plays against him are the expectations for his ceiling. He was “supposed” to be a five-tool guy, which he clearly isn’t. It takes time to learn a field…to find the ball, to play the wall, how much room you have and how much room you have to cover when you’re playing next to one guy or another; but Delmon just doesn’t move well in the outfield. Even when he made those sprinting catches in foul territory last week, he wasn’t exactly sprinting gracefully…and appearances say a lot about how comfortable you are.
At the plate is where I’m wiling to give him a little more leeway, but as has been pointed out…he already has a great deal of professional plate appearances under his belt. One thing you said I don’t agree with—-that patience is the last thing for a hitter to develop. Patience doesn’t develop, it’s a trait. Either you are, or you aren’t. You can choose to change, but it doesn’t organically happen. Pitch recognition, control of the strike zone…these things develop. These are the things that Delmon needs to work on, because right now he sucks at both of them. If he improves in both of these areas, he doesn’t have to worry about being more or less patient, because he’s such a talented raw hitter that those two things alone could drastically help his numbers.
And I don’t think anyone is hating on Delmon. People just react to what they see. I think everyone here wants Young to succeed…whether it’s because they’re a Twins fan, because they like him as a player, or because they want something to come out of the trade of Matt Garza. But ultimately the reason it’s such a big deal is because of expectations. And whether it’s fair or not, those are the expectations he’ll be judged on.
by Jesse on Apr 21, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we know what Dmitri's doing with his spare time.
by DK on Apr 20, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I suspect Dmitri
might know how to spell… …(even if Dmitri’s mother didn’t).
by montanatwinsfan on Apr 20, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So......what about Alexi?
If we grade other players using the same standard as Young, then we have to say that Alex Casilla has been pretty much baggage to this point in the season as well. His batting average is .196; his OBP is .239 and his slugging is .229; he’s struck out only 5 times compared to Young’s 10, but has hardly looked like a number 2 hitter in any way shape or form. For a guy hitting second to have scored only 4 runs thus far is miserable. He has also walked only twice (the same as Young), taking 13 more ABs to do so. Number 2 hitters are supposed to be patient, aren’t they? Heck, Joe Crede looks like a better bet at number two!
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by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Apr 20, 2009 4:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Casilla can field
Last year in Beantown it was wild watching Delmon play The Monster. Let’s see how he plays it this year.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 20, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny listing to the tone of the broacasters' voices when balls go out to left field
Every play is an adventure. What astonishes me is that the Twins continue to put him out there despite the fact that he really struggles to track balls that slice or hook that way. He clearly had an easier time tracking balls in right field. I would say Kubel’s a better left fielder than Young.
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by cmathewson on Apr 20, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon
looks like a guy still resting on his laurels from when he was 19 and able to dominate AA for a half a season just on physical tools alone. He has clearly not made adjustments to the major league level, and the further away we get from those early seasons in the minors, the more it looks like the Rays robbed the Twins blind with that deal.
Of course he still has the potential to be at least a ML average player and best case an All Star, but I’m done expecting to see either of those outcomes in a Twins uni, at least until he decides to let himself be coached.
by JopeX37 on Apr 20, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For a guy who comes from a baseball family...
…and who has this much big-league experience, he looks ridiculously unpolished.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 20, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Delmon Young must have really hurt your feelings
I’m starting to suspect Johnny Safron is Jim Souhan’s twinkietown handle.
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by natetheskate on Apr 21, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah,
Souhan would occasionally say something funny, or at least lighthearted.
by montanatwinsfan on Apr 21, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is the real Souhan we're seeing.
Anonymous and unleashed.
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by natetheskate on Apr 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And speakin' o' funneeee...
You still listenin’ to Steve Phillips’ insight there, montanaboy? That tip he gave you about how the Rays were gonna keep Longoria down on the farm so they wouldn’t have to worry about service time was the the funniest thing on this board last year.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 21, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup,
classic Firpo Marberry/Johnny Safron – never let an opportunity to say something derogatory about someone else go by, all the while taking yourself so seriously – after all you been keeping the bloggers honest since 1938…
by montanatwinsfan on Apr 21, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yessir...
funnnneeeeeee.
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by Johnny Safron on Apr 21, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year?
Dude, give it a rest.
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by natetheskate on Apr 21, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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