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Twins Starting Pitching--An Early Look

There is a lot of randomness and luck involved in the results in any single baseball game.  Or any month's worth of games, for that matter.  It's my contention that there's a lot of randomness and luck involved in any season't worth of games.  The idea that things "even out" over the course of a season is, in my opinion, not really true.

 

That's getting ahead of ourselves, though.  I thought I'd take a look at some of the starting pitchers so far this year to try to figure out what's going on, good and bad, so far this year.  By the way, if you haven't looked lately, Baseball-reference now has expanded stats for both hitters and pitchers that make it even more of a one-stop shop for this sort of thing.  Sean Forman Rules.

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Scott Baker:  I really wanted to see what's happening with Baker, hence this diary.  Looking at his numbers, two things really stand out.  FIrst, his flyball/groudball ratio is even more extreme than usual so far.  He's always been a flyball pitcher, and he's always going to be, but he's usually around .5 gb/fb; so far this year it's .33. 

 

The really noticable thing, though, is his HR/FB rate.  Major league average is around 8%.  Baker in his career has been around 7.6%--pretty close.  He gives up a relatively large number of homers because he gives up so many flyballs, not because more of his flyballs go out.  This year, however, even after last night's 0 homer outing, his HR/FB rate is an astounding 19.4%.  This is unsustainable, and will come down over time.  Almost all pitchers who pitch full seasons wind up with a ratio between roughly 6-11%.  He's given up 7 homers so far; if his ratio was normal, it would be 3 homers, and we'd be having a much different conversation.

 

All of his other stats are right in line with where he usually is--his Babap is .311--right at league average (though he was lower last year--part of his success).  His K rate is solid (7.4/9) and right where it was last year.  His BB rate is within normal parameters for him.  His line drive% is exactly where it always is (league average).  It seems to me that if he's getting his K's, limiting his walks, and giving up the normal amount of line drives, the HR% is probably mostly fluke.  It ought to get back closer to normal, and then we'll see the Baker we should expect. 

 

Francisco Liriano: It's less obvious what's happening with Liriano.  He's become more of a flyball pitcher than he was before the injury, but that doesn't preclude success.  He's walked a few more than we would expect, and I suspect that's an issue for him, but I also expect him to hone in.  His HR/FB rate is normal, though since there are more flyballs, there are slightly more homers (1.2/9 as opposed to .9 in his career).  One thing that has happened early this year is he's given up more doubles than you would expect: his XHB/PA is 11.5%, whereas his career is 7% and league average is 8%.  His XHB/H is over 50% as opposed to his (and the leagues) normal 35%.  You expect more XHBs with more flyballs, but this is extreme.  HIs line drive% is normal.  There might be some luck/defense involved in this as well; I'd certainly expect the XHB% to come down at least some.

 

His K rate isn't where it was in 2006, but it's still sustainable.  I wonder if he's avoiding his slider too much?  I know everyone's worried about injury, but it's a pitch he needs, because no matter who says how great his change up is now, it ain't Santana's.  It seems clear that he doesn't have the stuff to dominate like he did in 2006, but I think a little better luck and a slight improvement in the control will make him a successful pitcher.

 

This has gotten hella long.  I had intended to look at the whole rotation, but I will stop here and take it up again another time.  It seems to me that a lot of what's happening with both of these guys--and Baker especially--is a result of bad luck. I certainly expect both to have significantly better results going forward.

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As their starting pitching goes....

so go the Twins.

It’s been up and down so far. But, who would’ve predicted that Bake and Cisco would be 0-7 and the Twins would still be in the hunt?

It’s baseball, so anything can happen, especially with young starters, but, this is truly an unusual start to the season.

by Old Twins Cap on Apr 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the Twins

would still be in the “hunt” even if the entire starting pitching staff had losing records and the bullpen had the only wins under their belts. We have just barely reached the 10% of the season…even if the Twins were at the bottom of the Central, they still would be in the hunt. Baseball is comprised of 160 games, not 50!

by 33MorneauMVP on Apr 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure 160 games...yada, yada, yada,

but I would hate to be the Rays right now staring up from 6.5 behind of Boston, New York, and Toronto

by montanatwinsfan on Apr 28, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Line drive rate and other such things

I’m going to quibble a bit with some of your analysis on Baker:

All of his other stats are right in line with where he usually is—his Babap is .311—right at league average (though he was lower last year—part of his success). His K rate is solid (7.4/9) and right where it was last year. His BB rate is within normal parameters for him. His line drive% is exactly where it always is (league average). It seems to me that if he’s getting his K’s, limiting his walks, and giving up the normal amount of line drives, the HR% is probably mostly fluke. It ought to get back closer to normal, and then we’ll see the Baker we should expect.

FanGraphs and The Hardball Times have Baker with a 30% line drive rate, and his career rate is 21%. His infield fly and ground ball rates are down about a third from last year, too – his decreased G/F ratio isn’t a product of more fly balls (that rate is actually down very slightly); it’s a product of fewer ground balls. Basically, 1/3 of his infield flies and grounders from last year have been replaced with line drives. If anything, he’s been lucky with his BABIP so far – you’d expect a 30% line drive rate to produce a BABIP around .420.

He’s been unlucky with the homerun rate, certainly, but his xFIP (which ignores HR/FB and replaces it with a league average value) is still at a rather high 5.26, which I’d assume is largely thanks to that high line drive rate.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's interesting; there are radically different

numbers from different souces; I should have dealt with that. Even so, I maintain my position; those line drives, even if the real rate is that high, hasn’t really resulted in a lot of extra hits on balls in play that you would expect. The bad results stem from the insane HR/FB rate mostly.

His X-Fip is 5.26, higher than he normally is, but on the other hand, much, much lower than his actual ERA. I have no worries about a 3 start stretch where my pitcher has an X-Fip of 5.26—that could easily be random fluctuation for a pitcher whose “true-talent” ERA is around 4, which is what I think Baker is.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And another thing....

…just so we’re all aware: scoring is way up this season so far; the league ERA is 4.78. So when we look at pitching numbers, we need to be aware of that.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 28, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about that

I had completely spaced out the fact that offense is way up so far this year – the 5+ xFIP is not as bad as I thought. And you are right – most of the runs (until the third start) were directly caused by homeruns, so the high HR/FP was a lot of his problem. I noticed that his LOB% so far is extremely low – 59%, when his career rate was around 70%.

You’re completely right about the sample size issues – I’m still not all that worried about Baker, either.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get your line drive rates from?

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 28, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

baseball-reference.com

the world’s greatest website.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 28, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I love baseball-reference – the only reason I went to the other sites was because I didn’t realize that baseball-reference has that data now. I’d be really curious to find out how they come upon such different numbers.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 28, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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