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First, if this post was already done by someone, I apologize.  I've been rather AWOL lately due to some life changes (all good ones) and haven't had much time to read or post things.

Secondly, I realize this is rather gimmicky but figure it is worth talking about.

So here are my selections for all Metrodome team:

1st Base:  Kent Hrbek

Hrbie beats out Morneau based on the fact that he is a Bloomington native and played large parts in bringing us two world championships.  Morneau will probably end up with better statistics and more hardware, but not sure that hardware will include two World Series rings.  Besides that, Hrbek played in the Dome for 13 seasons to Morneau's 7.

2nd Base:  Chuck Knoblauch

I don't really get some fans animosity towards Knoblauch.  He was a pretty good player and integral part of the 1991 championship team.  He has never said anything bad (that I'm aware of) about the Twins organization.  I don't really blame him for requesting a trade at the time he did; not to mention no one seemed to really care until the Twins were good again four years later.  Even if you don't agree with me on that count, the trade to the Yankees is still paying dividends.  Among others, we got Eric Milton and Christian Guzman out of the deal.  We then traded Milton for Silva and Punto.  While none of these turned out to be great players (Milton did throw a no-hitter though) they have still been useful players.  Steve Lombardozzi gets honorable mention on the name alone.

3rd Base:  Gary Gaetti

Do I really need to argue his case against Corey Koskie, Scott Leius, Mike Pagliarulo, and Nick Punto?  Actually, one could perhaps make a case for Koskie.  He had a better OPS than The Rat, but the G-Man was also a better defensive player.

Shortstop:  Greg Gagne

Nope, not the AWA wrestler (BTW...am I the only one that watches the replays on ESPN Classic?).  Gagne wins more by default here.  First, we really haven't had a standout SS in the Metrodome.  Secondly, the ones we have had didn't have the tenure of Gagne.  Gagne was the quintessential defense first shortstop for his era.

Catcher:  Joe Mauer

A two time AL batting champion who has lived up to his #1 overall draft spot and homegrown Saint Paulite.  Harper, Laudner, nor Pierzynski stood a chance.  BTW...I have the same questions for the Pierzynski haters out there that I did with Knoblauch.  Sure, he may be a protagonist, but so what?  He did well while he was here and we got great trade value for him.

Outfield:  Kirby Puckett, Torii Hunter, and Dan Gladden

Puckett and Hunter need no explanation.  Gladden was a tough one for me.  Matt Lawton, Shane Mack, Jason Kubel, and Jacque Jones all had their moments, but that was about it.  Kubel could turn out to be the best of the bunch, but not quite yet.  Plus, he should have been in the DH category.  I was very tempted to go with Brunansky here, because I always liked him when I was kid.  Marty Cordova never lived up to his rookie year (plus one of my girlfriends cheated on me with him--true story, so there is a personal bias there, although it was truly a big favor he did for me).  Cuddyer had one good year.  Randy Bush was always a 4th outfielder.  He had some great moments and was a good pinch hitter.  I went with Gladden and his mullet mainly because when I think of the Dome, I think of the two World Series that we won while he was on the team.

Designated Hitter:  David Ortiz

Somehow, the steroid era (meaning the gaudy offensive numbers, not the positive tests) missed the entire organization.  We haven't had much power since Puckett and Hrbek retired.  Ortiz probably wins more on his reputation as a whole.  I really liked Chili Davis, but he was only here two years.  Molitor and Winfield were really only here for a cup of coffee, really.  Even though they did get to huge career milestones while here.  Roy Smalley could be an intriguing argument here, but i'm going with Ortiz.

Starting Pitcher:  Johan Santana, Frank Viola, Kevin Tapani

Santana will surely get no arguments, and Viola little.  Tapani will probably be the most controversial.  This one was a true toss-up for me.  I very easily could have gone with Radke.  Their stats are very similar and Radke probably should be rewarded for his loyalty.  But I'm giving my vote to Tapani.  In any event, you can vote 25 times for the all Metrodome team so I can almost split their votes down the middle.

Relief Pitcher:  Rick Aguilera and Joe Nathan

Aguilera was very good and even came back after we traded him away to Boston for their postseason run in 1995.  Nathan has been nothing short of dominant from day one with the Twins.  I'm too lazy to check right now, but does anyone have more saves than Nathan since 2004?  Off the top of my head, maybe Rivera, Hoffman, K-Rod, or Wagner?  Those are just guesses.  Someone should fact check me on that one.  Guardado get honorable mention, but really he was never in the same class as Aguilera and Nathan.  Reardon was only around for three years, and Berenguer was most known for the Berenguer Boogie.

Manager:  Tom Kelly

Gardenhire certainly has the better managerial record, but still not even a World Series appearance.  TK got us there twice and won them both.  Not only that, but he handed off the team to Gardenhire in a position to win after finishing 85-77 and in 2nd place in 2001--the same record as his first full year managing the club in 1987 and first World Series.

 

What do you guys think?  Any vehement objections?

 

 

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Jack Morris over Tapani for me

Best pitching performance in a world series or ever in my lifetime.

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Samuel Adams

by RileysCannibalJct on Apr 30, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post by the way

Good job.

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"

Samuel Adams

by RileysCannibalJct on Apr 30, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Radke

Double the Dome longevity, and just as good (or better) over 12 years as Tapani was for (roughly) 6.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 30, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Second Team

1st Base – Justin Morneau
2nd Base – Luis Rivas? Alexi Casilla? Steve Lombardozzi? Ugh, this position stinks after Chuck.
Shortstop – Cristian Guzman
3rd Base – Corey Koskie
Catcher – Brian Harper (you could probably make a decent case for A.J. here)
Outfield – Matt Lawton, Jacque Jones, Shane Mack (I’d likely have picked any of those guys over Gladden, actually)
DH – Paul Molitor
Starters – Radke (again, I pick him over Taps for first team), Eric Milton, Bert Blyleven
Relievers – Jeff Reardon, Eddie Guardado
Manager – Ron Gardenhire

“My girlfriend cheated on me with Marty Cordova” is easily the best personal Twins-related story in the history of this site.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 30, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chilli Davis

If you include Molitor for 3 seasons you’ve gotta include Chlli Davis and his two great seasons with the Twins one of which included a world series title. I’d put Davis way ahead of Molitor in terms of their seasons in the dome.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Apr 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

I just looked back at the stats, and Molitor was not nearly as great as I thought he was with the Twins – I was particularly thinking of ‘96 (for some reason I was thinking he won the batting title, although he finished third and led the league in hits), but both of Chili’s years with the Twins were better than Molitor’s ’96 (at least in terms of OPS+).

Molitor did have one more season with the Twins, but Chili was much better for his two years than Molitor was for his three, and he probably should get bonus points for being on two of the best Twins teams ever.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 30, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shane Mack over Dan Gladden by a mile

Here are their respective OPS+ numbers by year.

Mack:
1990: 132
1991: 140
1992: 138
1993: 100
1994: 147

Gladden
1987: 76
1988: 101
1989: 103
1990: 88
1991: 80

Mack is the clear winner. Just for reference, here are Puckett’s OPS+ numbers during Mack’s years:
1990: 120
1991: 119
1992: 138
1993: 120
1994: 129

Mack’s five years with the Twins were arguably better than those same years by Puckett in that same period.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Last Team

Here are some of my nominations:

1B – David McCarty
2B – Fred Manrique
C – Corky Miller
3B – Nick Punto
SP – LaTroy Hawkins, Joe Mays

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Mays

There are 20 guys who had no success as starters in the Dome. Mays at least had one dominant year.

My pick would be Sean Bergman, who had one very forgettable year in the dome. Dan Serafini is also a good choice.

I also wouldn’t pick Punto. He had one good year over there (and the worst year for a third baseman in the history of the game). It’s take Mike Lamb. That was one putrid year.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Apr 30, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I picked Mays mostly because he may have been the recipient of the worst contract (for the team) in Twins history. It’s more a lifetime achievement award; I realize he was legitimately very good in 2001.

Lamb is a better pick than Punto; I think I blocked the Mike Lamb Experience out of my memory.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Apr 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all the trash Ortiz talks about the Twins org

I personally wouldn’t put him on my all Dome team, but that’s me.

by caluofmn on Apr 30, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ortiz never did great in a Twins uniform

HIs 2002 season was his best year, and it was about the same as Kubel’s last year. Kubel is a better choice than Ortiz as the DH. My personal pick is Chili, just because h’s the only true DH we’ve had until this year. Molitor had a lot of RBIs one year, but that’s mostly because Knoblauch was always on base ahead of him.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Apr 30, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marty was one of those guys...

…with the “special” off-season program that made players really strong.

Bloggin' the bloggers since 1938.

by Johnny Safron on May 1, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and what waws all that crap about the boxing?

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on May 1, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cordova

Other than the affect he had on my personal life, my favorite Cordova story was when he was with the Orioles and had to miss a few games because he got burned staying in a tanning booth for too long.

by rencito on May 1, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the brightest bulb in the tanning booth

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on May 1, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more details

ok, you can’t leave us hanging with that Marty Cordova story, we need more details.

i am intrigued by the idea of a list of the worst twins at the Dome . . .

by jmalonepovolny on Apr 30, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Defensively, he was worse than Delmon.

Offensively, he won a ROY award and had a couple of good seasons otherwise. Offensively he had a better career than either Shannon Stewart or Dan Gladden.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Apr 30, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agreed with most of your picks

Had a minor quibble with relief pitchers as I would go with Everyday Eddie rather than Agueliera. Agueliera was great for his short time, but Everyday Eddie was a fan favorite, a heart attack waiting to happen, a colorful character, and just left a greater impression on me.

Also have a minor quibble with Gladden. Several others rank ahead of Gladden for me. Really, I think Shane Mack was a better player in the same amount of years, Matt Lawton was the only team leader, veteran, and bright spot through some of the hardest years we Twins fans have faced, but unltimately I had to go with Jaque Jones over all of them for reasons similar to Everyday Eddie.

But I REALLY have a beef with picking Tapani over Radke. Although anyone who would pick Jack Morris over Radke leaves me even more infuriated and confused. Jack had ONE f’ing year as a Minnesota Twin. The guy is a Detroit Tiger, for God’s sake – not a Minnesota Twin. He had a great career – for other teams – he had one good year here, and luckily for us, one great world series performance. Thank you Jack Morris! You do not in any way deserve to be on the all Metrodome team.

Even his “good buddy” Dan Gladden was unrestrainedly, spontaneously, incredulous – on the air – that Jack Morris would even be on the ballot!

by montanatwinsfan on Apr 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like all the love for Shane Mack

I actually really liked him when he played here, he was one of my favorite players. Ultimately, my decision to go with Gladden is because I really cannot think of any memorable moments from Mack. But this was one of the most debatable picks because of all the other possibilities behind Puckett and Hunter.

I totally agree with you about Morris. He certainly owns the best pitching performance in the Dome era, but not worthy (in my eyes) of getting picked.

by rencito on May 1, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memorable Mack moment

I remember he hit a homer to straight away center field in Fenway Park with Puckett and Davis aboard. It’s so far out there (420 feet—the homer was measured at 460 feet), he just assumed he’d have to run full steam to leg out a triple. But Chili, who was on first base at the time, knew it was gone at the crack of the bat and started trotting towards second. Mack come flying around first and had to be tackled by the first base coach to keep from passing Chili.

He had several game-winning hits in 1991 and was much more important to that championship team than Gladden.

I remember he made some outstanding running catches. His range and versatility was like Span’s, but his arm was stronger. Gladden was a good but not a great outfielder. When Mack and Puckett were next to each other, no fly ball ever got into the gap.

People talk about what a great Rule 5 draft pick Santana was. And he was the best Rule 5 draft pick of all time. But Mack is a close second. Because of that pick-up, the Twins had the best outfield tandem in baseball for five years.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on May 1, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mack

He’s got to be one of the most underrated players ever – I was flabbergasted when you posted his OPS+ numbers next to Puckett’s, and when I checked the stats, I was even more impressed. He was great at drawing walks, he was more of a doubles/triples guy than a homers guy, and he batted high in the order, so he was always underrated by his triple crown stats, which showed a good-but-not-great .300/15/70. For a couple years, though, he was a mid-80s Tim Raines without the steals.

Weird observation on Mack’s Baseball-Reference page – in 1992, he led the league in being hit by pitches.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on May 1, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cordova

Don’t feel bad. I’ve long said openly that if Joe Mauer sleeps with my girlfriend of over four years I’d congratulate her and probably brag about it.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on May 1, 2009 5:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would agree...

…but Marty Cordova is no Joe Mauer!

by rencito on May 1, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ortiz sucks

thats what I think about Ortiz on your list.

by jmedin on May 5, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Outfield

Being my favorite Twin of all time, I can’t argue with Gladden. Legging out the double in the 10th inning of 1991 Game 7 to set up the Larkin game winner may be enough for me.

I agree, Mack was more productive, and he also has a ring, but his postseason performance wasn’t very good if my memory serves.

Gotta go with Aguilera over Eddie.

by Adam Peterson on May 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You would choose a guy who had three out of five years below replacement level as the best left fielder in the Metrodome? Wow,

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on May 11, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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