Opening Day Early Results (and a taste of things to come)
The Indians lost their opener today when Cliff Lee was rocked for 10 runs in just 5 innings.
White Sox and Kansas City: Postponed: Cold -- White Sox home opener
Boston Postponed: Rain -- Red Sox home opener
Get used to that word "postponed" in the month of April Minnesota...
In other news, Santana is poised to win the Mets' opener with 3 hits and one run in 5.2 innings - hopefully for Johan he will get off to a good start this Spring.
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It is sunny and 60 here in Western Montana! A perfect baseball day and I can’t wait to take my laptop out and set it up by the hammock as my daughter runs around and gets dirty playing with the dogs this evening.
by montanatwinsfan on Apr 6, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Adam Jones looked VERY good for the Orioles.
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by PJS on Apr 6, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup, people may not miss the Dome but they'll miss the roof
I know I will the first time I fly half way across the country to see the Twins at home and have a game canceled due to rain. That will piss me off to no end.
I only lived in MN during the Dome years so rain delays and games canceled just seem wrong for the Twins.
by caluofmn on Apr 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All it will take
Is one afternoon in sunny and 75 with a light breeze blowing out towards right and I will forget all about the dump called metrodome. Think +
by RileysCannibalJct on Apr 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very true
I’ll take some postponements in April for more double headers in the summer (ahem …feeling sick today..). April may be taciturn, but you can’t beat Minnesota summer nights. And besides, we’re Twins fans—we only remember what happened in the last week anyways. Remember when Span couldn’t get on base during SP? Or when Morneau looked awesome driving in all those runs last week? Go Twins!
by biggity2bit on Apr 7, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll never get the smell of the concourse out of my nose
Especially with 50,000 people trying to get out at the same time through six revolving doors.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Apr 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why do people fret so much about playing outdoors again? Seriously, the weather isn’t as bad as most people think. Sure, it can be ugly, but today is a beautiful day to play outside and it is the first week of the year. I’m just not sold that we needed a roof as much as most people thought. It would have been nice, but probably not worth the price tag.
by rencito on Apr 7, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For one...
I live in South Dakota and have a job and two small children. Going to a Twins game is something I get to do once or twice a summer, and it requires a bunch of planning for a weekend trip to the Cities. The lack of a roof isn’t just a mild inconvenience – the weather has the potential to cause me not to see the Twins for an entire year (or make it miserable, especially having to keep the kids happy).
That said, I’m generally an opponent of public financing for stadiums, so I’d likely agree with you on the roof being not worth the price tag.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Apr 7, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes probably not worth the price tag
But I feel your pain in terms of effort and cost. I can’t imagine flying from CA to MN for a Twins series and visit only to have the game(s) rained out. It would be a huge disappointment. One I hope to never go through.
But if I still lived in the Cities it would be no big deal. It’s all of us that have to make a long journey that may miss the roof one day.
by caluofmn on Apr 8, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to that word "postponed" in the month of April Minnesota.
Two games into this season and they would have played both outdoors.
Bloggin' the bloggers since 1938.
by Johnny Safron on Apr 8, 2009 3:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PPD
The myth is that our climate is much different than the rest of the Midwest in April. I drove through the south for spring break and got stranded in Oklahoma by a snowstorm on March 28. Yesterday it was warmer in Minneapolis than it was in Austin TX. Two years ago, Cleveland was snowed in for the opening weekend. April weather across the Midwest is volatile. The only other team out of the 10 teams from Colorado to western Pennsylvania that has a dome is Milwaukee. Somehow they manage to play baseball in eight outdoor ballparks in April.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Apr 8, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota sports fans lack a sense of their own history
It’s a myth that baseball fans packed the stands at good ol’ Met Stadium on awful days. People are confusing that with Minnesota Vikings’ fans, who got likkered up in the parking lot, pulled on snowmobile suits and drank their way through games at the Met – but they only had to do that 7 games a season.
But that does not describe Twins’ fans. People from outstate didn’t buy tickets to early-season games. The Twins counted on the local audience for April. And if it was cold, people just did not go.
And season-ticket holders gave away tickets when it was too uncomfortable for those cake-eaters.
The reverse was that in June, July and August, people bought tickets by the bullpen golf-cart load through walkup, knowing it would be nice. Currently, the reverse is true: who wants to walk up and buy a ticket to a KC-Twins’ game on an 81-degree Sunday in late June?
It’s also true that one reason rainchecks are issued is so people who live a few hours away can exchange those tickets for another game. And, with better highways and better cars that we had in the ‘60s and 70s, in addition to better weather reports, it’s far less of a pain for someone in Alexandria, Minn., to either determine that a game is likely to be called before they even leave home, or if they do leave home they don’t have to travel on five different county roads and state highways through a a dozen small towns to reach Minneapolis.
So you get rained out. Go do something else in the Cities, because unlike the 60s and 70s, there is now far more to do in the Cities. You can even take the wife to the Mall of America.
For a state that talks about “the great outdoors” and ice fishing and jumping into Lake Minnetonka on Jan. 1 and holding pond hockey tourneys and “snowball open” golf tournaments using tennis balls on frozen lakes and putting tax dollars toward snowmobile trails, we sure do have a lot of wussies out there. Minnesota is really “the great indoors,” with a domed stadium, skyways, underground walkways in St. Cloud and Rochester and cafes that refuse to keep their patios open and use gas heaters after September 15. Most of the hockey players in the state never skated on an outdoor sheet of ice – mommy hauled them to the ice arena, where there is no windchill.
So resolve the identity crisis. If Minnesotans are so damned hearty, then they shouldn’t bitch about watching baseball in the same types of weather that people in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Chicago, Colorado and San Francisco watch baseball in.
Bloggin' the bloggers since 1938.
by Johnny Safron on Apr 8, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grumpy Old Men unite!
…when I was a boy, we didn’t have no indoor hockey. We sat in a snowbank until our shift came up, jumped the boards and skated as though we could feel our feet, and we liked it, we loved it! We didn’t even want to go to the warming house between periods because it was more painful recovering from frost bite than just letting that good old numbness take hold.
…when I was a boy, they shoveled off the Old Met and got out blow torches to unfreeze the field before Vikings games. The field was frozen again after five minutes and our team didn’t use heaters on the sidelines. The wind would whip across the prairie (which was all Bloomington was in those days) and a parka was not warm enough. But for underage drinking, I might have lost a few toes standing on the open aluminum grandstands. And we liked it, we loved it!
…when I was a boy, baseball practice started on April 1 with batting practice. And we didn’t have batting gloves. It made you concentrate extra hard to square up on the ball cause if you hit it foul, your hands would be numb for five minutes. And we liked it! We loved it!
…when I was a boy, we didn’t have ice houses. We got our5-gallon pails and a hand auger and we went out on the ice in 30-below wind chills and set up ti-ups with our bare hands, and we liked it! We loved it!
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Apr 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference being that...
…“when I was a boy” might be factual, or it might be the way the old man recalls it yet not factual, but it is a fact that people didn’t appear at the Met to watch games in bad weather and it is a fact that there are plenty of cities where baseball isn’t played in the ideal weather of LA and it is a fact that Minnesotans – for all the tough-guy crap – like to have a choice when it comes to being in the elements, which is why they built things like an indoor stadium in 1981, indoor walkways and heated bus shelters.
Interestingly, that’s the difference among bloggers: some present facts, and some present recollections without facts, and others filter the facts through their own prism and then think what they present are the facts.
Bloggin' the bloggers since 1938.
by Johnny Safron on Apr 9, 2009 7:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My prism
I present recollections as facts for me. Your millage may vary. But I’m not disagreeing with you. Just trying to amplify your facts with my recollections.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Apr 9, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few numbers
Average season attendance Old Met 64-81: 1.01 million
Average season attendance HHH Dome 82-08: 1.77 million
Average per game attendance Old Met 64-81: 12,644
Average per game attendance HHH Dome 82-08: 21,942
Years with < 1 million attendance Old Met: 9/21
Years with < 1 million attendance HHH Dome: 2/27
Past performance is not predictive of future results, as they say, but the best year for average attendance at the Old Met would only be the 19th best year at the Dome.
Source
The only stat that counts is W
by wayback on Apr 10, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting
not all that indicative of hard numbers though as populations have continued to rise in the Twin Cities area and (while I am no economist) I would suspect that the average family income and the average person’s disposable income was significantly higher in the 80s and 90s than they were in the 60s and 70s.
by montanatwinsfan on Apr 10, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
The base attendance was pretty well settled at 1.5 million per year from 83 to 86 for some pretty mediocre teams, about 50 percent higher their previous flirtation with adequacy from 77 to 79. I don’t think the economics of the region changed that much in 9 years.
The only stat that counts is W
by wayback on Apr 10, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Old Met was falling apart
Did you go to games in the 70s? If they hadn’t built the Metrodome, the Old Met would have collapsed under its own weight like the I35 bridge. It was not structurally sound. And the field was the worst in the majors. Many minor league fields were far better. Compared to the Old Met, the Dome was a shiny new stadium. People were willing to overlook all its deficiencies. And that team was loaded with young talent and optimism. I doubt the attendance difference had as much to do with weather as facilities.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
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