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Who should go?

As of right now, the Twins have several very shaky pitchers in their bullpen.  So, who should get cut/traded/released?

*R.A. Dickey*

Its about time that the knuckleballer went back to where he came from, wherever that is!  Dickey has struggled with the Twins who hoped that his 5.52 career ERA would become a thing of the past and disappear under Rick Anderson's tootilage.  However, as of yet, it has not.  Dickey has posted an 4.50 ERA so far this year with the Twins organization in the long relief/mop up role.  Dickey has 11 walks and 15 strikeouts through 18.0 innings giving up 9 earned runs (3 HR) and 24 hits in that span.  Batters are posting a .409 OBP and .541 SLG against Dickey so far this year.  His ground out/fly out (GO/AO) ratio is hovering at 1.64, while his WHIP is at 1.94.  His knuckleball just doesnt knuckle in the airless Metrodome allowing opposing batters to just sit and then hammer it.  In my opinion, Dickey was a bad idea from the beginning, and he is just further giving me proof.  I think it is time we sent Dickey down or released him.

*Luis Ayala*  

When the Twins signed Ayala, they hoped that his recovery from Tommy John surgery would be complete and he could become the next Carlos Silva.  Ayala has a sinker ball, but it just doesnt seem to sink, or else it sinks into the hitters hot spots.  Ayala has posted a 5.63 ERA so far this season.  Some of his stats, unbearable to look at, follow:  5 BB, 10 K, 11 R (10 ER), 23 H, 1 HR, 16.0 IP.  Batters are posting a .414 OBP vs Ayala with a .531 SLG.  His ground out/fly out ratio hovers at 1.73, while his WHIP is at 1.75.  Some of these stats are better than Dickey's (WHIP, BB/K, SLG) but most are worse.  I think it is time that the Twins sent Ayala down to Rochester (I havent quite given up on him) in order for him to work through his slump (although it has lasted all season).

 

This opens up two roster spots on the Twins 25 man roster.  Who should be called up?  Who is worthy of a call-up?

*Sean Henn*

Sean is sitting Triple-A batters right back down on the bench.  Henn, a left handed relief pitcher, has thrown 24.0 innings with 32 Ks.  He has also walked 10 in those 24 innings but opposing batters only can hit a meager .187 average against Henn.  Henn has given up 7 runs on 17 hits, but only three of the runs were earned.  In Triple-A, Henn has posted a 1.13 ERA, through 15 games, with a 0.95 GO/AO.  Although Henn is a left handed reliever, it would be a wise move for the Twins to bring him up to add to the lefty relief core of Mijares and Breslow; He would take Ayala's place on the roster.

*Anthony Swarzak*

Although Swarzak is a starter, he would do well in the long relief role/spot starter of the Twins bullpen.  Swarzak, through 7 games at AAA, has posted a 2.25 ERA with 32 Ks in 44.0 innings.  Swarzak generally is thought of as a control pitcher, as is evident with his 11 walks through 44 innings.  Opponents have managed to get 40 hits off of Swarzak for an average of .248.  Swarzak features a 1.02 GO/AO ratio.  Swarzak probably would do better than Dickey in the long relief/spot starter role.  Swarzak certainly has had his fair share of troubles, steroids a few years ago, but he has battled back and I believe that he deserves a shot at the major league level.

*Other names who feature a decent ERA in AAA:*

Kevin Mulvey (takes Dickey's spot), Bob Keppel (takes Ayala's spot), Juan Morillo (takes Ayala's spot), and Armando Gabino (takes Ayala's spot).

We are now hearing that the Twins are scouting around for a good arm for their bullpen.  Names that Gammon has thrown out there:  Jose Valverde, Huston Street, Danys Baenz, Russ Springer, and John Grabow.

So do you think the Twins need bullpen help or will things just work themselves out?  If you do think they need help, then who should get the call to the Twins?

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The Twins need bullpen help...Who?
Trade
26 votes
Swarzak
19 votes
Henn
17 votes
Mulvey
4 votes
Keppel
19 votes
Other (nominate in comments)
7 votes

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I dunno

At this point, I don’t see a lot of help coming internally, though I suspect Slama could probably get some outs.

Swarzak would be OK, though he may get his starting shot fairly soon. Henn has never been able to get outs in the majors, though his AAA numbers are OK. I don;t see that really helping a ton. If they can find a trade, OK, but set up guys are just so volatile.

by Eric in Madison on May 18, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey 33MorneauMVP

RA Dickey pretty much bitch-slapped you tonight—4.1 scoreless against the Yankees in a pretty desperate situation.

More or less said “Screw you and your send me down or release me.”

by Eric in Madison on May 18, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Eric in Madison

If you look at his career numbers, I would heartily agree with my statement. Dickey is a Ramon Ortiz with a knuckleball that doesnt go anywhere!

by 33MorneauMVP on May 18, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I’m not saying your wrong—it’s just that an hour after you posted that he ought to go, he has a monster outing. Just busting your chops.

by Eric in Madison on May 18, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but how can you pass up a guy with his name

by JackofAllTrades on May 24, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you could say the same thing about Ayala

but no. Everybody thinks that Ayala should go no matter how he did against the dangerous Yanks!!! So I dont take much stock in your statement!

by 33MorneauMVP on May 18, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ayala?

1.1 IP 3 H 1 R 1 ER 1 BB 2 SO 1 HR

That’s not good enough.

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by cmathewson on May 18, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course...

>>Sean is sitting Triple-A batters right back down on the bench. Henn, a left handed relief pitcher, has thrown 24.0 innings with 32 Ks. He has also walked 10 in those 24 innings

A promotion to the big leagues means the K’s diminish and the walks rise. So the Twins need to decide if they can live with that.

>>Its about time that the knuckleballer went back to where he came from,

I am firmly on the record as to not liking him, but not liking him doesn’t mean that I send out a guy with a 3.6 ERA.

>>When the Twins signed Ayala, they hoped that his recovery from Tommy John surgery would be complete and he could become the next Carlos Silva.

Hasn’t he pitched 2-plus seasons since that surgery, including a rehab stint early in 2007? I don’t think the surgery is an issue anymore. The fact that he can’t get anyone out is the issue. He does have to go.

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by Johnny Safron on May 18, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

as I told Eric in Madison

LOOK at Dickey’s career numbers…he is horrible! His knuckleball does not knuckle in the windless Metrodome making him probably the weakest pitcher on the staff, at least at home. Yes, Dickey has a 3.6 ERA now, after throwing 4.1 innings vs the Yanks. But do you seriously believe he is going to maintain an ERA under 3 or even under 4? I highly doubt it! LOOK at his career numbers!!

by 33MorneauMVP on May 18, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh

I don’t believe I ever stated that I “seriously believe he is going to maintain an ERA under 3 or even under 4” to quote you.

This is why blogs get out of hand. People spending too much time not reading what was written.

Back when he was signed and someone here went on and on about how the Twins finally got their Rule V draft pick from 1942 back I have bitched about this guy. While everyone was trying to tell me how great he was in relief, I was bitching about him.

But he’s not going anywhere – except probably right into the starting rotation.

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by Johnny Safron on May 19, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You did, to be fair, say you don’t send someone down with a 3.6 ERA so he asked you if you seriously think it’s going to stay there. Fair question.

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by natetheskate on May 20, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is true

You did say that he had a 3.6 ERA, thus making him questionable to send down. I asked you if you honestly believed that he could maintain that line. Dickey will finish up with probably something around his career line: 5.52. He is not going to maintain a 3.6 ERA. However, since he does have a 3.6 ERA, this does make him valuable to trade to teams looking for pitching help. We might as well get him off our hands while he still has some value and maybe be able to pick up a Russ Springer for him.

by 33MorneauMVP on May 20, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to send some one down,

You have two options on the table:

Ayala or Dickey (currently sitting with a 3.6 ERA).

Johnny Safron appeared to be choosing to keep the person who has more value – the long relief mop up guy who has the better ERA (3.6 currently).

That does not, in any way, logically correlate with a belief that the guy will keep his ERA at 3.6, or below 4, or below 100, for that matter.

It does suggest that right now the 3.6 ERA (inflated or not) is a more compelling choice than Ayala.

by montanatwinsfan on May 20, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This, unfortunately is like two other Faustian decisions the Twins have right now, except for the fact that there is no devil to bargain with,

1) Who bats #2 (assuming its not Mauer and everyone else slides up).

2) And who plays SS/2nd/3rd

Alright, question #1 might not be so painful, but question #2 is a bugger. We have, for our selection, a long list of players who are relatively poor to middlin’ at their positions. None of them really stands out from the others, but we have to play someone.

I remember someone jumping all over anyone else who complains about an excess at one position because every team has to have depth to win. Well, depth at a position is a great luxury, if you can afford it. But if you are the Twins you have to deal from a strength (5 pitchers who can all be quality #3 or #4 starters or 5 outfielders who could all be starters) to shore up a weakness.

I will take my chances on spending $8 million on one Justin Morneau (solid expensive starter you can win with) and one Brian Buscher backup, rather than having three guys like Mientcavuch/LaCroy/Coomer all covering that spot for $6 million combined (note thos salary numbers are arbitrary and hyperbole and are meant for illustrative purposes only). Morneau might go down with an injury and sink your team’s chances, but the three AAAA level players you are trotting out there everyday (yes I’m looking at you SS and 2nd) just aren’t going to help you win even if between the three of them they never miss a day to injury and require us to call someone up from the minors.

shoot – post got too long and off target…

by montanatwinsfan on May 20, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually montanatwinsfan

I think 33MorneauMVP was suggesting they send both Dickey and Ayala down. Correct me if I’m wrong.

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by natetheskate on May 21, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No you are right.

I didn’t read closely enough. I was creating an argument based on the current reality the Twins faced at the time of posting. The need to send down one underperformer.

But you are right. 33morneaumvp was suggesting both get sent down and that does shed a little different light on the disagreement, and the question.

by montanatwinsfan on May 21, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was ...

… a presumptuous question.

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by Johnny Safron on May 20, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading a little presumption between the lines?

“This is why blogs get out of hand. People spending too much time not reading what was written.” Or maybe they spend too much time reading what is not written, eh?

For the record, I’m all for trying to trade RA Dickey – one of two knuckleballers in major league baseball and with a Johnny Saffron-approved 3.6 ERA to boot – but I doubt we can get anything back for him. Probably better to cut him. If Johnny Safron can see through the 3.6 ERA mystique, why can’t Bill Smith?

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by natetheskate on May 21, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK I just read we dumped Breslow

That’s fine with me too. But the point that Dickey/Ayala aren’t indispensable still stands, I think.

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by natetheskate on May 21, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This one is pretty simple

After months of trashing Dickey, and doing it again in this thread, only a fool would presume that based on one outing I would abruptly decide he was suddenly capable of maintaining an ERA a full two runs under his career ERA.

Step right up.

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by Johnny Safron on May 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please try to keep the name calling to a minimum

“I am firmly on the record as to not liking him, but not liking him doesn’t mean that I send out a guy with a 3.6 ERA.”

“But do you seriously believe he is going to maintain an ERA under 3 or even under 4?”

Seems civil enough to me.

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by natetheskate on May 23, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man...

….they must be kicking your ass all over Brooklyn.

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by Johnny Safron on May 24, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just try to be civil to the others who post here

I think you’ll find they return the favor.

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by natetheskate on May 24, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Dickey has done just enough of late to retain his job, as long as that job is limited to games like tonight—damage control on a short start. It’s not his fault Gardy fancied him a set-up guy early in the year and brought him into eight close-and-late situations (four with men on base, three with the bases loaded) with disastrous results. He has inherited 12 runners this season and allowed 10 of them to score. Since Gardy started using him properly, he’s done better.

Ayala, on the other hand, has done nothing this year, or, really since his surgery. It was a bad signing made worse by Gardy’s usage of Ayala early, when he came in in the eight inning or later in seven out of his first 10 appearances.

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by cmathewson on May 18, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who Should Go

Release Ayala and Breslow. Promote Swarzak and Henn. Decide whether or not to use Swarzak as starter, i.e., demote Perkins to the pen. In the good old days of my youth, promising starters got their first major league action out of the pen.

I would also look for a way to get Hughes up to the Twins as a pinch hitter and occasional RH DH.

The Twins sure did get the Yankees going.

by Twinsaholic on May 18, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of demoting Perkins to the pen

He needs to get the energy back. He looks listless out there.

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by cmathewson on May 18, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Like it, leave Swarzak in the rotation for a min. of 3 starts good or decent or (bad)- yeah right
Perk to the ’pen

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 22, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Release Breslow?

What about last year? Doesnt his performance last year at least give him a chance to turn things around which he is already starting to do?

by 33MorneauMVP on May 19, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they should cut Gardy of course.

Oh you meant the bullpen? Yeah Dickey. Knuckleballers are only worthwhile if they’re good. I might go with Henn if I have to choose but there doesn’t seem to be anything out there that is more than a step above crap. I chose other, if we can find someone else we should go with them.

by MNPundit on May 19, 2009 3:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Dickey!

Dickey can give us innings. Who else is going to go 4-5 innings in relief? Ayala has been a recurring nightmare. When crucially needed, he has given up the tying run, given up the go-ahead run or turned a one-run lead by the opposition into 2-3 run leads. When the Twins are ahead by 8 (HAHAHAHA—I thought that might make you laugh) or behind by 8 he is lights out for a couple innings. I suppose that is what the attraction is to keeping him. I want to jettison him very badly, and you can take the 4 million Dollar Jack of No-trades with him. (I’m sorry, but I have been whining about the 4 million Dollar Jack of No-trades for the last 3 years. I’m exhausted by his lack of execution and the claims that he does all of the little things well-HE DOESN"T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on May 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cut here, cut there

A lot of people seem to be using the idea that we’ll just cut this guy, cut that guy, because they’re all playing bad. We don’t really HAVE much in the minors. We only have two guys in AAA that even project as decent long guys (Sarzak and Mulvey).

Maybe one good idea is bring up Mulvey for the rotation, stick Perk in the Pen for awhile. Perk can get himself worked out (far cry from his hot/lucky first month) for awhile or stay there if Mulvey does very well. I’ve never liked Perkins much as a starter anyway, his peripherals are bad across the board.

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by AdamOnFirst on May 20, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

We have one guy in AAA and two gus in AA who project as good short relievers. We have two guys in AAA who could fill the long man/spot starter role.

Juan Morillo: 11 IP 15/5 K/BB 1.71 FIP
Rob Delaney: 28 IP 31/4 K/BB 1.98 FIP
Anthony Slama: 21 IP 33/14 K/BB 2.63 FIP
Anthony Swarzak: 44 IP 32/11 K/BB 2.87 FIP
Brian Duensing: 30 IP 16/9 K/BB 3.88 FIP

If you cut Ayala and bring up Swarzak to take Perkins spot in the rotation, you can buy some time with Morillo. If and when Perkins gets back, you send out one of Breslow/Henn/Swarzak depending on how they do between now and then. At some point, Morillo becomes an option, allowing you to promote Delaney. You don’t make a lot of moves at once, but you have a whole season of extra bullets in the minors just waiting to be fired.

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by cmathewson on May 20, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BB

Morillo has only walked five guys in eleven innings? They must have huuuuuge strike zones out in Rochester.

I’m not a big follower of the minor league system… is Slama’s walk rate usually that high? 6 BB/9IP is rather awful.

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by BeefMaster on May 20, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had one bad outing

in which he walked the only three batters he walked in his short time up here. In that game, it was raining hard and the umpire apparently couldn’t see because he threw 10 balls that GameDay said were strikes but the umpire called balls. At least two of those walks should have been Ks. He had Ortiz struck out three times, the third time was called ball four.

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by cmathewson on May 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I was mostly joking about Morillo, but he does have quite a reputation for wildness. I’d like to see him prove that limiting his walks to one every other inning (which is still awful, as Twins pitchers go, but tolerable with his K rate) is more than just a fluke, but I do agree that he is definitely an option.

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by BeefMaster on May 20, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The answer is Breslow

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by cmathewson on May 20, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dickey

As long as he has a knuckle ball, he can stay. He can be that 11th pitcher, the innings eater when you need him. Better to have him go 4-5-6 innings than wade thru the otehr guys.

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by rosterman on May 21, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its because he has the knuckleball

that he has to go. Dickey, when he is at home, cannot locate it and thus opposing batters just sit on it and then hit it a mile. When he is on the road, he does better since usually it is an outdoor stadium thus lots of air to push the knuckleball

by 33MorneauMVP on May 22, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, as long as Dickey doesn't come into situations with

Men already in scoring postion at 2nd or 3rd base….

I think he probably winds up staying at the big club all year, sadly.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 22, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually kind of like how he's the Twins wild card

And Gardy plays the joker…

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by natetheskate on May 22, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Gardy was out of his mind early in the year when he brought him in three times with the bases loaded (all nine runners scored). Dickey can be effective coming in after a starter who throws reasonably hard, but they were right on his fastball so he gt knocked out early. Bring Dickey in to start the next inning, and you will screw up their timing for three innings. Get him out of there before they start squaring up on his pitches because when they do, they end up over the fence. The next guy who comes in has the added advantage of looking like a flame thrower to the opposition.

Still and all, if you have good starting pitching, an early mop-up guy is a luxury. If for any reason the Twins crack off 20 quality starts in a row or something, Dickey is a waste of a roster spot.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on May 23, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When that happens we'll be glad to be rid of Mr. Dickey.

If for any reason the Twins crack off 20 quality starts in a row or something,

by montanatwinsfan on May 23, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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