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this was on the Yahoo.com sports page and I thought I'd share. You can read the article at the following link: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/The-Stewards-Debate-How-can-Bud-fix-baseball-s-;_ylt=AguAbRfooFDVU4n.A.AAcvsRvLYF?urn=mlb,166216

I'll like to see baseball do better on TV (I know the sport is not hurting though). The only thing I'd add to my original comments below is that the price of going to a game is getting out of hand. When times were good, families could ignore the hundred(s) of dollars they would spend at a game but now it is easier to see that baseball is losing it's connection to families and is catering to young professionals with the most disposable incomes.

Anywho...This is what I posted there and feel is the real problem with baseball. ...

I think the problem starts before the TV is even turned on. No one plays baseball anymore, and when I say no one I don't mean your beer league I mean kids in America. 18 kids at a park is not a baseball game, it's a birthday party with invitations that had to be sent a month in advanced.

I remember summers when my brother and I would go the park and we knew kids from the neighborhood would show up to play ball. We'd shag flyballs, we'd practice pitching or hitting like our favorite players and eventually we'd have enough kids to play a game. And I'm not even talking about always 9 on 9. We'd make rules up so we could play. Ghost runners, pitching for your own team, rules where we didn't even need 18 kids to play.

If kids are not playing the game themselves they are not going to want to watch it on TV. They are not going to understand what a great game it is. Heck, why watch a game when they can fire up their PS3 or Xbox 360 and play it themselves. But video games are a poor sub for getting on a ballfield.

I know attendance is up but how many people there are actually watching the game. It seems like the new parks are one part baseball, one part amusment park so mom and dad don't have to teach their kids what the game is about. Going to the game seems like it's more about going somewhere, eating, consuming than watching baseball.

I don't know what can fix baseball on TV. I like the idea of a game of the week on Saturdays to go with the Sunday telecast. I like the idea of getting rid of Buck, but unless this generation and the ones that come next learn the game; baseball is going to continue being your dad's game and longterm that will spell trouble for MLB.

 

 

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Baseball on National TV...I'm not worried about it

Frankly, the national broadcasts are going to become less and less important in terms of revenues going forward. As the authors note, there are so many more choices now than there were 20 years ago for your viewing time.

Further, baseball is a local/regional sport—and now I can watch my local team every night, which wasn’t true 20 years ago. RSNs are a fairly new development that massively affect viewing patterns. THey have also massively changed revenue patterns for MLB.

What entertainment consumers want and expect these days is programming and delivery catering specifically to them, not to some amorphous national audience. We may have had to settle for that in 1980 (and I’m old enough to remember), but not anymore. I can get my local team. I can get them on TV, I can get them on my computer. Soon I’ll be able to get them on my telephone.

(As a side note: they’ve got to get the blackout rules revised—it’s insane what goes on. That’s only a matter of time—you can’t hold back progress forever).

As for your point about prices at the park…eh. It’s true that the Yankees overshot with their new park, but these things get adjusted. Teams want fans in the seats, and they want to maximize their revenue. They can’t do that without families, so they will figure out ways to get them to the park.

As for your other point…yeah, I remember those days too. And now I’m a parent, and what I find (and I talk about this all the time) is that kids just aren’t on their own nearly as much anymore. We used to roam around town all day in the summer without supervision; we’d play ball, do whatever. My son is 8 now, and he doesn’t go places on his own—none of his friends do either.

It’s one of those situations where what’s good for the individual isn’t what’s good for the group. For some reason in the last 20 years, parents started getting more scared about things like their kids getting taken by strangers (which almost never happens), and stopped letting their kids out of their sight. Now, we don’t do it because there aren’t any other parents letting their kids do it, but really, if everyone started letting their kids go to the park or the pool, there wouldn’t be a problem—it would be perfectly safe.

Now everything is organized—my kid plays little league and in a soccer league. But he doesn’t meet his friends at the park to play ball (unless it’s planned a week in advance).

My point is that i don’t think your complaint (not enough kids playing) is specific to baseball; I think it’s a wider societal change.

by Eric in Madison on May 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Families and ballparks

It could and probably is different city to city but here in San Francisco, AT&T park is not filled with families and I have always had the feeling that the Giants are fine with that.

Things like free Wi-Fi (for us young urban professionals that work around the park), and ticket prices and other pricing like parking, which is now $30.00, I’d argue make it very tough for the average family to attend games. I wish I could remember where but I believe there have been stories written where this is a trend that has been noticed by MLB but I doubt anything will be done about it until it makes financial sense to the teams. The question is will there still be a younger generation of fans looking to attend games?

Otherwise I have to agree with you about how times and societal norms have changed. In my youth the only national game was the NBC game of the week. This Week in Baseball was the only way to get TV news about other teams and players. There was no internet, no ESPN, no USA Today. Baseball and technology allow us to silo ourselves to just follow “our” teams.

Where I think the lack of play by kids come in, for me is that people who grew up playing the sport seem be happy watching any team. I subscribe to Extra Innings, not just b/c I want to watch the Twins but I want to watch the Dodgers, the Astros, etc. I just want to watch baseball. I think it’s great that now I can watch all the teams. But fans who just want to watch a good game are becoming more and more rare.
I got to see Frank Viola pitch against Orel Hershiser and the game ended 1-0, that was a GREAT GAME, but today’s fan would probably find it boring due to the lack of offense. Sorry I think I’m losing my objectivity here.

I’ll just agree with you again that times have changed and that has changed how the game is enjoyed by the fans.

by caluofmn on May 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same
I remember summers when my brother and I would go the park and we knew kids from the neighborhood would show up to play ball. We’d shag flyballs, we’d practice pitching or hitting like our favorite players and eventually we’d have enough kids to play a game. And I’m not even talking about always 9 on 9. We’d make rules up so we could play. Ghost runners, pitching for your own team, rules where we didn’t even need 18 kids to play.

same here!

I was actually shocked when I was walking past the local park and there were kids plying some sort of baseball game (It looked more like a HR Derby, only about 6 kids were there). It was the first time I seen the old ball field used in a few years.

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on May 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m 17 years old and I played hockey, baseball and football when I was younger and it wasn’t until recently I got into watching it on TV. I grew up watching my dad watch sports to and thats helps me get into them but what really did it for me was after I bought madden football for my xbox and learned the rules and players I got into it. I started watching drafts then I was a full blown fanatic. Now I’m getting into baseball. You’re not going to get into it much unless your team is really good at the time or you’re family is into it.

by Zoxide on May 29, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About going to games though I mean nothings like being at the game but being able to be at home get good camera angles able to see everything up close free to do what you want is nice. And the nicer it gets watching it at home the less people wanna go to the game. Driving and parking is always a hassle as well

by Zoxide on May 29, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing new

Here are a smattering of complaints about baseball on TV:

“They’ve tried to speed up the between-inning delays by cutting down on warm-up throws, but it still takes time to exchange field positions and there is not much you can do at home except watch the beer commercials.”

“Let’s start with the announcers. They’re not objective. They can’t be. They are hired with the approval of the baseball club management.”

“Telecasts put you to sleep.”

“No two-dimensional picture can ever take the place of the real thing.”

“The game on the air must be made more exciting or people who sample a baseball program now and then will turn away and never return.”

Each of these comes from a baseball periodical. The date on the cover is 1965.

Bloggin' the bloggers since 1938.

by Johnny Safron on May 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It seems like the new parks are one part baseball, one part amusment park so mom and dad don’t have to teach their kids what the game is about. Going to the game seems like it’s more about going somewhere, eating, consuming than watching baseball.

At the Dome last week, there was a guy sitting behind me teaching his kid how to score the game. It made me tear up a little.

by SteadyDietOfCheese on May 30, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the things I liked about the Dome

especially once I moved out west, not much to do there other than watch the game (in a really uncomfortable seat / angle).

When I still lived in MN I didn’t think it was so great but now that I go to a park where everyone is doing anything but watch the game, I realize how nice it is to be in a park where the game is the focus.

by caluofmn on May 30, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never noticed that

I wouldn’t even say fan focus has been true in post-season games, but it certainly is not true during the regular season.

It was so bad last week that my attention turned from a good game to the steady stream of people up and down the stairs. It was so laughably bad Wednesday night that there was just a gigantic wiggle of humanity at the game, where the attendance was probably in the high 20,000s.

At any given time my estimate was that a fifth of them were en route to the concession stands or to have a heater. The families with kids under 12 spend more time feeding them than watching the game. This is true in the cheap seats or behind the plate. One guy in our row – who had the appearance of a serious fan – got up to go somewhere five times in a nine-inning game. He most certainly missed three full innings.

People watch the game in St, Louis, in my experience, and in Boston. But not at the Dome.

Bloggin' the bloggers since 1938.

by Johnny Safron on May 31, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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